Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Great Expectations, Major Schedule Changes and making SWG the finest MMORPG ever
apheli0n wrote:
Thorolfsk wrote:
Thunderheart can you please respond to these questions:
- Can the development team please provide the community with a valid reason for pushing back the combat revamp?
- With all due respect, why release a expansion pack before fixing problems already existing within the game?
- Assuming theexpansion will have a few problems, wouldn't that just create alarger backlog for you guys, and take time away from other problems?
All your questions answered in 5 letters: M O N E Y
Cancelled.
benbanglong wrote:
crybabies that can't wait? What are you talking about? We have been promised fix for the land game for months. "Wait till Combat Balance" said the Dev Teams. We have been waiting for more than a year to see some change and now we find out that the Combat Balance won't occur for more than 6 more months. 2 accounts = well over $300 that I have spent. I can't wait anymore...for EQ2 beta
Nice to see ya show up ben...LOL
Message Edited by GarVa on 07-15-2004 01:58 PM
Thunderheart wrote:
fatgit wrote:
Seeing as Jedi and CH got "balanced" (CH's MONTHS ago), can we expect these profs to be "un-balanced" until the balance ?
The Combat Balance will now be at least 1 year late if it goes live in November (we were told the CB would start in November 2003 for 3 months).
Yes. I'll be working with all of you and the correspondents to identify the most important changes and work with the team to add them.
TH I'm glad you hear SOE both recognizes and plans to do something about the above issue. But there is a just as important issue about combat and combat professions. Please answer this if you can. S
Since the CB is being pushed out further, and many of the combat profession that had broken specials and abilities were told they would be fixed in the CB, will they get attention BEFORE the CB now? I only have played one combat profession so that's all I really know, but I'm sure there are more with broken stuff. I am master pistoleer, and frankly 80+% of our specials don't work. Add to that being out of balance for various combat system reasons, it really sux. Is there a plan to get with these professions, such as pistoleer, and start to fix the current specials in this time between now and CB?
What you are saying is that now, a rebalance that was supposed to be out months and months ago is going to be delayed past the first expansion of the game, this makes me think that SOE is looking to far forward instead of what is right in game.
The ground game is very out of whack and yet you are telling us that the space portion, basically a whole new game, is going to be released before the one thats out is already released because you think it is for the better of the customer base, wrong it is better for SOE's wallet.
Let's break this down.
First off, apperantly during the time between Episodes 4-5, there was a great burst of Jedi and a struggle between them and not between the Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire, so I guess George Lucas is wrong on his own invention.
TH says:
Delaying these critical features was not something we are doing for our convenience, but only to ensure they are done well. The team leadership has been discussing these changes, the future of SWG and the feedback from the community. Clearly the community wants us to do a better job at delivering the game service and this reinforced our decision to make sure we have adequate resources on each update to the game.
Yes but I want to point something out, NOTHING has been done to combat in any major form, except maybe the CM/BH things very recently, because you have told us just to sit tight on this patch for months on end. This is the same thing Blizzard did with patch 1.10 on Diablo 2 and that turned out with poor results.
You also go on to say:
Our next major update, Publish 10 will bring us “The Jedi Trials”. Finishing the revamp of the Jedi profession is a big task. Being a Jedi is a big part of the Star Wars experience and it is a big game system. To become a Jedi, there needs to be a known path with mysterious quests, new NPC’s, new NPC behaviors, new places and all the little things that will make The Jedi Trials a publish to be excited about. To accomplish this, the team has expanded the scope of publish 10 so there is more design time and more testing time (hence the big changes).
Not long after The Jedi Trials, we’ll be focused on the JTL Beta and integrating Space with the ground game. Meshing the live service with JTL is a big challenge since it means it will be the first time anyone has ever integrated a complete RPG and action Space game before
Okay first off, not everyone is, wants to be or cares about being a Jedi, it is not the right time, it is not what SWG was originally created to be, but now suddenly its the biggest focus, instead of the other 33 professions?
Then you go on and mention JTL BEFORE the ground game is fixed, adding in new stuff while the old stuff is broken is a poor way of doing business, imagine if you will a building, the foundation is done shotty but the top looks good, well before long that building will fall due to the base being no good.
And finally let's look at the schedule shall we:
Before publish 10, we plan on launching the character transfer system
In Publish 9.2 We’re publishing Wookiee armor sets #2 and #3, new crafting quests and the second swoop race
okay swoop races, yea thats something that could've waited and used less man power on and more for the real problems
Publish 9.3 will bring us the third swoop race
same here
Publish 10 will be the Jedi Trials. This will be the new gateway to the Jedi profession that will by a mysterious path to unlocking Force sensitivity.
Look, I am glad that you guys admit that the Jedi system was bad to begin with but to focus only on them for 2 publishes AND make it a mystery so not everyone can get involved AND to do nothing to the basic combat system is pretty crappy.
Publish 10.1 is going to bring us an exciting surprise and also a list of Correspondent requests
No more secrets, no surprises, we need to know what is going on, the lack of communication between the devs and the player lately unless its promoting JTL is really getting to be bull, we play this game and say whats wrong but all that is said back is that itll be done sometime after JTL now? come on, I would rather see JTL delayed than the combat balance.
Publish 10.2 is focused on the entertainers which features a unique new game experience where entertainers, Dancers and Musicians can perform for an NPC audience for the reward of a new song and dance.
Its nice to see this, something long overdue
To conclude my rant, my message is simple, fix what is wrong before adding even more content that is possibly bugged. You don't just cover up old problems with potential new ones.
Customer since launch,
Durik Lakmor
Scylla, KOTOR
Random thoughts...
Great, sounds like you will get to work on the Combat Balance one year after it supposedly began. You remember that mess you posted last year about the three phases of the combat balance, and how phase1 (creature-rebalance) already went live. Congratulations, this has to be an all time low in incompetence.
Let's be honest, you guys are making a calculated gamble that you can continue to screw the players over by not fixing the game they ALREADY PAID FOR and HAVE BEEN PAYING MONTHLY FEES FOR A YEAR while you plug away at your next money making scheme.
Why am I bothering to write this, it's not like you actually listen to the player base.
"I will be immediately working with the correspondents and the community to develop a list of pre-combat balance fixes to get combat into a more enjoyable state. " Heard that line before. Maybe it will get the same level of attention you apply to the 19 questions, and all your other initiatives.
"Being a Jedi is a big part of the Star Wars experience " for what, maybe 5% of the player base? Does it occur to you that 95% of the player base is suffering while the SOEs accountants stand over your shoulders and dictate programming priorities?
This is the 3rd or 4th time GCW Upgrade and Combat balance have been delayed. Why should anyone here believe they will not be delayed again and again, as you latch on to your latest attempt to make a few more dollars?
Poor smugglers, wonder if they are getting screwed again?
Wonder what happens when JTL comes out and has similar game breaking issues? Wonder who gets screwed then?
I bet not one question about this gets answered at the dev chat today on Stratics.
Would have been cool to reply to this thread 30 minutes ago, but once again the website login process is screwed up.
Off Topic thoughts...
Next time you guys catch some 12 yr olds exploiting your latest brilliant piece of code, HIRE THEM. Because you obviously have no one on staff who is capable of thinking about the potential exploits from any changes you make.
Driving in circles looking for random spawns does not equal content. It does equal boring repetitive crap that leaves most of us with no desire to play this game.