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Thread: Great Expectations, Major Schedule Changes and making SWG the finest MMORPG ever

Flynn_Nomad
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:41 pm
#144

BOTTOM LINE KIDS


Jedi=money


JTLS=money


Fixing the existing game wont generate them any more cash.





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Thorolfsk
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:41 pm
#145






apheli0n wrote:





Thorolfsk wrote:

Thunderheart can you please respond to these questions:



  • Can the development team please provide the community with a valid reason for pushing back the combat revamp?



  • With all due respect, why release a expansion pack before fixing problems already existing within the game?



  • Assuming theexpansion will have a few problems, wouldn't that just create alarger backlog for you guys, and take time away from other problems?






All your questions answered in 5 letters: M O N E Y


Cancelled.





Of course its for the love of money in SOE case. But I want to hear what the developers reasons are becauseit just doesnt make sense. These guys are there for the love of games, and starwars right?
WookieBounty
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:41 pm
#146






benbanglong wrote:

crybabies that can't wait? What are you talking about? We have been promised fix for the land game for months. "Wait till Combat Balance" said the Dev Teams. We have been waiting for more than a year to see some change and now we find out that the Combat Balance won't occur for more than 6 more months. 2 accounts = well over $300 that I have spent. I can't wait anymore...for EQ2 beta






Nice to see ya show up ben...LOL



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Slick79
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:41 pm
#147

Tell me who had the final say in this matter. Then I can direct my questions to him/her and maybe get a direct answer without all the run around



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benbanglong
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:42 pm
#148

I just cancelled my second account. If you're unhappy, just cancel. Only reason why I haven't cancelled my other account is because WoW and EQ2 aren't out.



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Lord-Maximus
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:43 pm
#149


your welcome to post your thoughts but please do so in a less flaming manner, thanks.

Message Edited by GarVa on 07-15-2004 01:58 PM



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Squidwalker
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:43 pm
#150






Thunderheart wrote:





fatgit wrote:
Seeing as Jedi and CH got "balanced" (CH's MONTHS ago), can we expect these profs to be "un-balanced" until the balance ?

The Combat Balance will now be at least 1 year late if it goes live in November (we were told the CB would start in November 2003 for 3 months).




Yes. I'll be working with all of you and the correspondents to identify the most important changes and work with the team to add them.











TH I'm glad you hear SOE both recognizes and plans to do something about the above issue. But there is a just as important issue about combat and combat professions. Please answer this if you can. S


Since the CB is being pushed out further, and many of the combat profession that had broken specials and abilities were told they would be fixed in the CB, will they get attention BEFORE the CB now? I only have played one combat profession so that's all I really know, but I'm sure there are more with broken stuff. I am master pistoleer, and frankly 80+% of our specials don't work. Add to that being out of balance for various combat system reasons, it really sux. Is there a plan to get with these professions, such as pistoleer, and start to fix the current specials in this time between now and CB?




Teranus Blan'Fyl
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Psykeman420-HS
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:43 pm
#151

Okay TH lets play hard ball.

What you are saying is that now, a rebalance that was supposed to be out months and months ago is going to be delayed past the first expansion of the game, this makes me think that SOE is looking to far forward instead of what is right in game.

The ground game is very out of whack and yet you are telling us that the space portion, basically a whole new game, is going to be released before the one thats out is already released because you think it is for the better of the customer base, wrong it is better for SOE's wallet.

Let's break this down.

First off, apperantly during the time between Episodes 4-5, there was a great burst of Jedi and a struggle between them and not between the Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire, so I guess George Lucas is wrong on his own invention.

TH says:
Delaying these critical features was not something we are doing for our convenience, but only to ensure they are done well. The team leadership has been discussing these changes, the future of SWG and the feedback from the community. Clearly the community wants us to do a better job at delivering the game service and this reinforced our decision to make sure we have adequate resources on each update to the game.

Yes but I want to point something out, NOTHING has been done to combat in any major form, except maybe the CM/BH things very recently, because you have told us just to sit tight on this patch for months on end. This is the same thing Blizzard did with patch 1.10 on Diablo 2 and that turned out with poor results.

You also go on to say:

Our next major update, Publish 10 will bring us “The Jedi Trials”. Finishing the revamp of the Jedi profession is a big task. Being a Jedi is a big part of the Star Wars experience and it is a big game system. To become a Jedi, there needs to be a known path with mysterious quests, new NPC’s, new NPC behaviors, new places and all the little things that will make The Jedi Trials a publish to be excited about. To accomplish this, the team has expanded the scope of publish 10 so there is more design time and more testing time (hence the big changes).


Not long after The Jedi Trials, we’ll be focused on the JTL Beta and integrating Space with the ground game. Meshing the live service with JTL is a big challenge since it means it will be the first time anyone has ever integrated a complete RPG and action Space game before

Okay first off, not everyone is, wants to be or cares about being a Jedi, it is not the right time, it is not what SWG was originally created to be, but now suddenly its the biggest focus, instead of the other 33 professions?

Then you go on and mention JTL BEFORE the ground game is fixed, adding in new stuff while the old stuff is broken is a poor way of doing business, imagine if you will a building, the foundation is done shotty but the top looks good, well before long that building will fall due to the base being no good.

And finally let's look at the schedule shall we:

Before publish 10, we plan on launching the character transfer system

In Publish 9.2 We’re publishing Wookiee armor sets #2 and #3, new crafting quests and the second swoop race

okay swoop races, yea thats something that could've waited and used less man power on and more for the real problems

Publish 9.3 will bring us the third swoop race

same here

Publish 10 will be the Jedi Trials. This will be the new gateway to the Jedi profession that will by a mysterious path to unlocking Force sensitivity.

Look, I am glad that you guys admit that the Jedi system was bad to begin with but to focus only on them for 2 publishes AND make it a mystery so not everyone can get involved AND to do nothing to the basic combat system is pretty crappy.

Publish 10.1 is going to bring us an exciting surprise and also a list of Correspondent requests

No more secrets, no surprises, we need to know what is going on, the lack of communication between the devs and the player lately unless its promoting JTL is really getting to be bull, we play this game and say whats wrong but all that is said back is that itll be done sometime after JTL now? come on, I would rather see JTL delayed than the combat balance.

Publish 10.2 is focused on the entertainers which features a unique new game experience where entertainers, Dancers and Musicians can perform for an NPC audience for the reward of a new song and dance.

Its nice to see this, something long overdue

To conclude my rant, my message is simple, fix what is wrong before adding even more content that is possibly bugged. You don't just cover up old problems with potential new ones.

Customer since launch,
Durik Lakmor
Scylla, KOTOR



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starcraftWS
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:44 pm
#152

List of things to do tonight:


#1) go grocery shopping

#2) cancel SWG account


Thanks for making my decision much easier TH.



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Two accounts cancelled due to SOE's continued idiocy
Dewdus
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:44 pm
#153



Random thoughts...


Great, sounds like you will get to work on the Combat Balance one year after it supposedly began. You remember that mess you posted last year about the three phases of the combat balance, and how phase1 (creature-rebalance) already went live. Congratulations, this has to be an all time low in incompetence.



Let's be honest, you guys are making a calculated gamble that you can continue to screw the players over by not fixing the game they ALREADY PAID FOR and HAVE BEEN PAYING MONTHLY FEES FOR A YEAR while you plug away at your next money making scheme.



Why am I bothering to write this, it's not like you actually listen to the player base.



"I will be immediately working with the correspondents and the community to develop a list of pre-combat balance fixes to get combat into a more enjoyable state. " Heard that line before. Maybe it will get the same level of attention you apply to the 19 questions, and all your other initiatives.



"Being a Jedi is a big part of the Star Wars experience " for what, maybe 5% of the player base? Does it occur to you that 95% of the player base is suffering while the SOEs accountants stand over your shoulders and dictate programming priorities?



This is the 3rd or 4th time GCW Upgrade and Combat balance have been delayed. Why should anyone here believe they will not be delayed again and again, as you latch on to your latest attempt to make a few more dollars?



Poor smugglers, wonder if they are getting screwed again?



Wonder what happens when JTL comes out and has similar game breaking issues? Wonder who gets screwed then?



I bet not one question about this gets answered at the dev chat today on Stratics.



Would have been cool to reply to this thread 30 minutes ago, but once again the website login process is screwed up.



Off Topic thoughts...



Next time you guys catch some 12 yr olds exploiting your latest brilliant piece of code, HIRE THEM. Because you obviously have no one on staff who is capable of thinking about the potential exploits from any changes you make.



Driving in circles looking for random spawns does not equal content. It does equal boring repetitive crap that leaves most of us with no desire to play this game.






Ruldon Otta
Master Bounty Hunter
Moonnstarz3
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:45 pm
#154

Wow this is really bad. I feel as if I am being treated as a second class citizen because I didn't grind out 32 professions. I play the game I don't game the game. I really enjoyed and recommended this to many ppl, including a few that would never have given it a second glance. I WILL NO LONGER RECOMMEND.


I am now seriously considering cancelling both acocunts. THis is really bad. My husband and I play and pay for two accounts each.. 60 a month!! If some of the things promised aren't met I can honestly say our 60 will go somewhere else. At the least my 30. JTL is scheduled NOW to come out about the same time EQ2 will... HOLY MASS EXODUS Batman(TH).


FIX THE GROUND GAME FIRST!!!




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NoShields
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:46 pm
#155

Translation: We're in deep trouble with JtL, we can't get some major systems to work correctly so we need to get the whole development team on it. The marketing suits at Sony and Lucasarts won't let us push the release date back so as a result the gaping flaws that are killing the ground game will go unattended until we have new content with its own gaping flaws in it.


Also, the prospect of balancing professions within a template based system is scaring us...we have no idea how to balance it so we'll just keep pushing it back until Lucasarts revokes our license.


On a final note, yes we know Super Battle Droids aren't content....sorry.


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Sorry TH. You've lost the faith of the player community and we've been let down too many times already.


I will be cancelling my account for the time being, if the combat balance comes in and works, fine, I like this game despite its problems, I'll come back but in the meantime I refuse to pay a subscription for this shambles.



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benbanglong
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:46 pm
#156

Yea, Soar, my other account that isn't cancelled is a Master Smuggler. I still have not surrender the Master Smuggler profession on that account because I have kept waiting for the revamp. First, it was supposed to happen in April. Now it appears we won't see the Smuggler revamp till April 2005.


I don't think I can keep him as a Master Smuggler for 2 years just waiting for the revamp. Time to make him into a Doctor mule for the Jedi.



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