Development Cycle Archive

Thread: Publish 6 Feedback: New Visual Buff system

Neutral
Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:15 am
#131

Visual buff system: Great itdea but fails in its execution.


AFAIK the whole point of a visual buff system is to make the user "visually" aware of what buffs they have. Also to let them know how long their buffs have left.


It fails on both these counts.


1) The icons to not tell the user what is buffed by looking at them (only by changing mode and holding the mouse of them, which during the heat of a battle is less than useful).


2) The user is not told how long the buff is going to last by looking at them either (see above).


SUGGESTIONS:


Place the buffs in a preset grid:


| x | x | x |
| x | x | x |
| x | x | x |


So if Strength and Constitution were buffed it would look like:


| x |o | o |
| x | x | x |
| x | x | x |


If all the primary's were buffed it would look like:


|o | x | x |
|o | x | x |
|o | x | x |


Etc etc.


Glancing at the above grid you can easily tell which buffs you have.


Secondly the timer: A small red bar underneath each icon would not go amiss, or as suggested by an earlier poster (phloppy) color coding the icons:


BLUE = +1 Hour

GREEN = 30 mins

YELLOW = 15 mins

RED = 5 mins

FLASHING RED = < 1 min


Thanks.


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Laeren
Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:19 am
#132

Whole bunch of TKA and otherrelated stuff belongs in there:


1. Powerboost timer


2. Negative "pseudo downer" from a botched Force of Will timer


3. Time Until Next Force of Will display


4. Time Until Next Equilibrium/Vitalize display







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DawnTreader777
Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:35 pm
#133

you know i never really thought about some of the situations and suggestions that people have had here. i thought it was cool to be able to see what "buff" i had going. but now that i read the posts in this thread i realise that the devs did miss on a few accounts. i really like the idea of color coding to know how long a buff has left. i also like the idea of the grid to be able to tell what is buffed in your stats. i think that there definitely should be more icons, and that those icons should be placed in a grid fashion and that each type of buff needs a particular icon and color as to the time left.


one thing that isnt mentioned that i just had come to me is stacking buffs, how would that show?


in the grid:


x= no buff, m=muon, d= doc buff, p= pixie


p d | p | p
------------
p d |p | p
------------
m | m | x


just a little addition, but i think important so that when we are using it we will know when that downer hits and why.






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- Captain John Sheridan, Babylon 5

So much for a Smuggler revamp, maybe they should just rename us, it would take less time and be easy to do.
"Useless" would be my first choice as a name suggestion.


of course at this point there is no reason to revamp anything. SOE should just shut the game off.

Jaded_Lady
Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:34 am
#134

Love the feature....just don't know how to hide it from being on my screen....I dont like extra boxes always there as a crafter its too many windows open and causes me even more lag not sure why but it takes me over a minute to even load my crafting window ....sooo many schematics even to go to my schematic datapad I will wait 2 minutes for it to load....and I do have a fast computer so its not that its just alot of schematics tends to do this...on my other computer and other character who has no schematics hardly I can load his screens up in seconds so I know its just having too many schematics...but I notice that as well if I have many other windows open it increases lag and my wait on stations etc...so am wondering is there a way to hide this Icon when I am not in need of viewing it at all? Thanks



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Xyvyon
Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:51 am
#135



180° - From Galaxies to Grind
By Matt "Mattt" Kirschnick


Star Wars Galaxies once promised to overcome the grind hated by casual gamers, while still managing to entertain the powergamers. Unfortunately, the infinite struggle to please the latter sent the game in the total opposite direction, upsetting the former for too much grind, and the latter for too little to grind through.


A long time ago, in a development forum before release day, we were introduced to a dream come true, a chance to live in that far away Galaxy we all grew up with. We were promised more than just a Star Wars game, however. We were told of many great wonders, from no down-time or camping to vast worlds, with dynamically generated content, to a casual gamer’s paradise; there would even be an extremely difficult and very rare Jedi class to play. To make things more exciting, the dream would be truly complete with the already-conceived Space Expansion. Unfortunately, from the Beta test until this very day, for better or for worse, Star Wars Galaxies has taken a 180° turn in the opposite direction.


I had the opportunity to test Star Wars Galaxies during the second and third phases of Beta. It was an exciting experience: it, at first, appeared the many promises would come true. Random, dynamically generated, events would happen out in the wild, giving players choice on how to proceed. Crafters with little time to play could log in to find they had gained enough experience to get their next skill box through the automated construction of their items in a factory. Marksmen could log in, take a quick mission from the mission terminal, and grab some needed experience points. Jedi were nowhere to be found yet but that was exactly how things were supposed to be. In fact, we were later told at E3 2003 that Jedi in Galaxies would lead lives much like the Jedi of the time. Like Obi Wan, Jedi would be forced into hiding, as they would be actively hunted down by the empire.


As time went on, however, it became clear the direction had changed. Powergamers got their hands on the Beta and quickly showed the developers how fast they could plow through the game. Using factories, crafters propelled through the trade skills in no time. The dynamic quests could not be camped, nor did they have exciting items to loot. In a subscription-based game, this was unacceptable. There had to be reason for players to renew their subscription month after month. Experience from factories was gradually reduced to zero, leaving casual gamers with little choice but to spend hours building the same item over and over to gain but one skill box. Dynamically generated content all but disappeared in favour of static, camped dungeons. Of course, trying to fill ten, vast worlds with static content proved to be an impossible task, one the developers are frantically trying to complete even today.


Missions, too, became an outlet for powergamers. With a favourable cash reward, missions were a way for grinders to print money to fuel the player-run economy. Consequently, inflated prices became the norm. When asked why their armour, vital to the survival of many melee-types, was so expensive, armoursmiths simply repeated, “hey, why don’t you just do some missions?”


Powergamers and grinding has become the way of life in SWG. With the first appearance of a player Jedi, it became crystal clear that the developers not only approved of this way of life but they actually encouraged it. Having once been promised that the path to becoming a Jedi would be unique and exciting for each player, players were dismayed to discover the simplicity of the temporary system put in place to reach this goal. Rather than complete some long series of quests or conduct themselves an appropriate way, players simply were required to grind their way through five random professions, four of which were revealed to them through rare items, dropped by various, heavily camped spawns. Knowing that there was now no barrier keeping them from becoming Jedi, many players began the long, boring process of advancing through professions they had no desire to play. Cantinas became filled with “Holo-Dancers”, players who needed to master the Dancer profession to find out which profession they next had to master. Worst of all, not knowing the last profession often left players to systematically grind through every profession in the game until they happened upon the correct one. Worse still, the first Jedi freely paraded up and down the streets, laughing in the faces of those who actually believed Jedi would be a hunted people. With player Jedi names like “Ima Forcesensitive”, it became clear that the original vision was no where to be seen.


Through all of this, Bartle Achievers were leaving left and right for the next “big thing” or a previous favourite, dissatisfied with the amount of content in the game. Neglected by the Developers, PvPers, Bartle Killers, also began to drop out of the game. In the quest to satisfy the content-seeking players, the Galactic Civil War quickly became stagnant, made boring by a stale and unbalanced PvP system. Bartle Explorers, too, looked to other games to discover. The vast worlds of Star Wars Galaxies are still largely barren, many with unexciting cookie-cutter cities and dungeons. Recently, in an effort to make players aware of all the hard work the they had done to populate the world, the Developers added Points of Interest waypoints to the Datapads of all players, effectively neutralizing any sense of discovery and exploration. With the Achievers, Killers, and Explorers all closing their accounts, Social gamers began to take notice. Guilds emptied and collapsed. Like boom towns after a gold rush, player cities emptied out, leaving behind abandoned ghost towns. Entire static cities were deserted, leaving only one or two major cities per planet with essential services, like physicians and entertainers. With nobody to talk to, social gamers followed their friends to whatever games they had decided to move on to. Once proclaimed the second-largest game in North America - second, of course, to Everquest – Galaxies at least feels like it has lost that title, ironically, in its attempt to be like Everquest.


With all this doom and gloom, it sounds like nobody plays SWG. Well that is not entirely true. Many of us log in every so often to do whatever tasks we are obligated to do, like power our ore harvesters, pay the maintenance for our houses, or clean out all the “member left guild” notices from our in-game mailbox. Some stick around, desperately hoping for the distant Space Expansion. While a 2004 release date has been promised, release dates, today, must be taken with a grain of salt. Galaxies has certainly come a long way since its inception; however, one thing is seemingly for sure. The Space Expansion had better make a big splash at this year’s Electronics Entertainment Expo. For players, many of whom feel betrayed or simply bored, SE is SWG’s last hope.




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mikejson
Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:27 am
#136

I don't know where else to put this but I need to get the word out, ingame help is just frustrating me with cycles...


Anyway,



Has anyone else found that chestplates aren't working properly? I've found that I'm getting hit in the chest(health pool) and even though my combat log records my chest plate as stopping the correct amount of damage, it doesn't..


Example:


Kamiruth Snappers are hitting me for about 400-600 damage, in my combat log is says

Kam hits you for 473 damage

your chest plate absorbs 400 damage



so I should've got hit with 73 damage correct? Why am I getting hit 473 damage.



This happens on almost every single attack on my health pool. The other armor peices seem to be working, and from what I read "holes" in armor aren't that often. I'm talkin maybe 1 in 20 hits do I actually get the benefit of my chest plate. All the other attacks go right through it.


Note my armor is at approx. 32000/37000 condition, so repairing isn't the problem.




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Braglor
Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:53 am
#137

Some of the icons don't show the correct name.. like Breath of Heaven will display as Force of Will
Bowoci
Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:55 am
#138

6 Pages and not one single Dev response


The Graphic Interface is nice. To explain the "debuff" in the original post... I believe he means that you can actually watch the buff "wear off" - there is NO way to remove the buff. Same buff bugs we had before are still here... you die and clone... the system still thinks you have the buff, you don't but the timer is still running... and now you have the pretty little graphic interface to show you that the system still thinks you have a buff after you've died and cloned At least there's no guessing how long you have to wait before you can get buffed again... because you can watch the buff you no longer have.... "debuff"





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Thaumaturgist
Tue Mar 02, 2004 6:51 am
#139

TH,


First of all let me say that I personally love the new visual buff system. The one problem I have is that when you die the buff timers stay on, but the buff dissapears, and your stomach is still full. If your buff was still there, this would be acceptable, but when the game practically forces you to use buffs it isnot acceptable to have the timers/etc running after you die.I am a novice bh and I do die once in a while taking on a mark, That means I have to wait for my stomach to empty before even trying the mark again. Investigation is enough of a struggle to get through without this slowing a guy down even further.


Thanks for taking the time to look at this post!




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Ritualistic
Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:17 am
#140

TH, I must also say I'm mostly happy with the system, it could use some tweaks, but hey, what can't? The only major problem I have found with it, is this: travelling via shuttle seems to effect the timer. For example, when I was hunting on Endor, I didn't do too much travelling via shuttle, just the odd trip for training back to Theed. As my buffs wore off, I noticed that the buff would fade a few seconds before the icon would dissapear. Not a big deal, didn't think much of it.


However, now that I'm a Bounty Hunter, and every 10 min or so I seem to be hopping a shuttle, the discrepancy gets worse and worse. A couple of nights ago, I was fighting a mark, and suddenly my health starts dropping like a rock! I thought at first I was just getting a royal whuppin, then I realized my health buff had worn off. I glanced at the meter, and all the buff icons were still there. After killing the mark, I checked the timers, and they said I still had another 20 min left to go. As I always get buffs from the same people, I know it was not a problem with the buff pack. The only thing I can think of causing this is the load screen in between shuttles.


Has anyone else noticed this?





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