Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Great Expectations, Major Schedule Changes and making SWG the finest MMORPG ever
Iarian
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:27 pm
#1405
Believe me I know - I was one of the orginal MCH that got hit with the NERF bat and then kept getting promised that is would be fixed - until they finally broke the profession - I'm just trying to make the best of it as I can.. I have lots of friends and am not willing to just give up... I don't know call me a wishful thinker or call me stupid. Like I said I'm just trying to make the best of it - and I hope that this time they listen to the community and fix it correctly...
Antonhs wrote:
how many times have the devs promised us stuff? 100's
deleivered things on time without having to do another quick patch after? never
if you dont mind waiting your goner be waiting a long time - and on your own.
Mattt
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:29 pm
#1406
You have to remember that marketing sometimes makes decisions for the Devs but the Devs are the ones who have to live with it. That's my theory for all this anyway. 
Soyel
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:33 pm
#1407
This does not surprise me, since the Devs have been feeding us double talk since inception. I have been playing since Beta, have a Master Smuggler/MTKA on Ahazi , Master Rifleman/MCH on Kettermoor, Master Smuggler/Close to MCH on Valycn and a few other toons. Have logged on a total of 8 times in last few months and gave away what little possesions I had to my guildmates on Valycn (/wave The Nameless Labrats you guys are awesome) and am waiting for account to expire on 7/26 , have already cancelled and have no intention of coming back.
Good luck to you all and you Fanboys that are blinded _I_ it's cause of you that most MMORPG's play
this little game of catch up with patches and release unfinished games.
Massadonious
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:34 pm
#1408
Thunderheart wrote:
I'm reading them all and sharing thesentiments with the team.
I really hope so TH. I don't think those on our final straw can take being lied to again.
BackBite
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:34 pm
#1409
Thunderheart wrote:I'm reading them all and sharing the sentiments with the team.
I really hope that's true, TH. I really do.
This thread represents the cold hard reality of the state of the majority of your customer base. This is what you're dealing with now. All is not well and good here and to go on like it is would be yet another blunder is a very long line of them.
These people have said what has needed to be said, and what has been said, for far too long. I know that SOE will never, ever reverse a decision of this financial magnitude but it now falls on your shoulders to insure that the players are taken care of and not tossed aside like the used rags of lepers.
It's too late to save my account and the accounts of many others but you have some very loyal people playing this game and, no matter how misplaced I feel that loyalty is, they deserve your honesty and your integrity.
Because, in the end, that's all that will hold sway with the people paying your collective salaries. It's all about customer service. Never, ever forget that, even if your superiors, in their pursuit of the almighty dollar, do from time to time.
Xziac
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:36 pm
#1410
Mattt wrote:
TH, is there any point? It seems like this decision isn't going to be reversed no matter what. I know a lot of people who just cancelled their accounts yesterday.. and I already have so few friends left from launch. Out of my guild of 50+ members, only a couple play the game regularly (most cancelled their accounts long ago but some more cancelled yesterday).I really want to play this game but you guys are making it so hard. I know it isn't your fault (I don't envy your job at all), and I doubt it is the Devs' fault either but, honestly, I don't understand how you can possibly go on without the Combat Balance. This game is broken and we've been paying a monthly fee for it to be finished (not merely fixed) since day one. Heck, us day one vets don't even get aspecial vet reward for putting up with all this either. We were here before cities, vehicles, or even mounts.It just really gets me down to get slapped in the face month after month.
Hey Mattt I feel your pain. As if it wasn't enough that the CB and revamp are pushed back, people are starting to cancell, leaving the game with even less content. I wish the decision could be reversed too, because I know once (insert the name of a new non-SOE MMORPG here) is released, these people won't come back anymore. It surely isn't TH's fault nor the devs' fault because they take order from higher, but like everybody think, this decision is a KO slap in the face of every SWG players that pay to have fun (which is not the case anymore).
I might have been patient (or real stupid :smileysad
to have wait all these months for some fixes to the gameplay and the profs, but I have my limits. I really hope that the Summit happens soon and that the *quick fixes* before JTL make the game playable, else I think I will have to hit the big bad bold button "Cancel Subscription"
to have wait all these months for some fixes to the gameplay and the profs, but I have my limits. I really hope that the Summit happens soon and that the *quick fixes* before JTL make the game playable, else I think I will have to hit the big bad bold button "Cancel Subscription"Xziac, Customer of SOE's Star Wars Galaxies
antares_Kauri
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:39 pm
#1411
Mattt wrote:You have to remember that marketing sometimes makes decisions for the Devs but the Devs are the ones who have to live with it. That's my theory for all this anyway.
Exactly, as a developer myself, I all-too-well understand the devestation marketing can cause on a development team's vision. Marketing is the cause of many a product down-fall. I just think this decision is the worst they could have ever made. It's one thing to not rush something, but it's another to put off an issue that is of absolute critical import to the vast majority of players for 9-12 months. Not to mention the many many many countless times "Wait for the Combat Balance" was tossed at us as scraps to keep us happy.
antares
Camrux
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:44 pm
#1412
Mattt wrote:
Thunderheart wrote:
Ramalama wrote:
TH,
Firstly, I hope you get to actually read this because it appears to be a full time job just reading the responses on this thread.
I'm reading them all and sharing thesentiments with the team.
TH, is there any point? It seems like this decision isn't going to be reversed no matter what. I know a lot of people who just cancelled their accounts yesterday.. and I already have so few friends left from launch. Out of my guild of 50+ members, only a couple play the game regularly (most cancelled their accounts long ago but some more cancelled yesterday).I really want to play this game but you guys are making it so hard. I know it isn't your fault (I don't envy your job at all), and I doubt it is the Devs' fault either but, honestly, I don't understand how you can possibly go on without the Combat Balance. This game is broken and we've been paying a monthly fee for it to be finished (not merely fixed) since day one. Heck, us day one vets don't even get aspecial vet reward for putting up with all this either. We were here before cities, vehicles, or even mounts.It just really gets me down to get slapped in the face month after month.
Nice post Matt,
My sentiments almost to a T, TH you have one hell of an unenviable task in dealing with this giant powderkeg. I appreciate all you do and can see the frustration in your posts too.
Where the @#$% are the other Devs?
Does JustG ever get in here and talk about issues anymore, crap I know that they read this stuff with the cutesy little posts they make now and again. Enough is enough - I will be cancelling my alt later this weekend, and mymain toon from Day 1 is on life support after this. I love this game but I canonly get kicked in the nuts so many times, I can find better things to do instead of having expectations set and then not met time and again.
VeniaHalo
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:50 pm
#1413
Funny, I was just reading a comic on gucomics.com it showed a bug zapper with all the flies labeled as MMORPG games.
Title was something like "MMORPG dropping like flies"...............
With this decision, I wonder how long before they add SWG to that comic clip.
mason2002
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:51 pm
#1414
Star Wars: Galaxies
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Lucas' dream Teabagged
Mattt
Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:54 pm
#1415
Does JustG ever get in here and talk about issues anymore, crap I know that they read this stuff with the cutesy little posts they make now and again. Enough is enough - I will be cancelling my alt later this weekend, and mymain toon from Day 1 is on life support after this. I love this game but I canonly get kicked in the nuts so many times, I can find better things to do instead of having expectations set and then not met time and again.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they're not here because they're insanely busy. Until SWG, no dev team (IMO) rivaled UO2's community interaction. They were on the forums all the time talking to their players. But they slowly disappeared and were on the forums much less. The community guy even was tasked to programming the game at times. Then the game was cancelled. I'm not saying SWG is going to be cancelled but, IMO, the Devs are probably being worked like dogs to get SOMETHING done other than Jedi.. or, maybe, just to get JTL out by the end of this year (imagine if they delayed all of this and then delayed JTL... talk about putting the final nail in your coffin).
Really, I think the only way to solve this is at the management level but that isn't going to happen because management clearly does not care in any way. Soooo... we're screwed is what I'm saying, I guess.
Sorry, Iwas forced to dropmy optimism skill tree yesterday.
Huttdrone
Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:03 pm
#1417
want to hear the truth ? the truth is, the swg gamedesigners are a pack of clueless bunglers ! THEY DONT EVEN HAVE AN IDEA WHERE TO START THE BALANCE ! Thats why its been delayed for 1 year now !
The plan is simple: give them JTL, so they will shut up about ground pvp !maybe it will work (if they didnt hire the same crapdesigners as for ground game),however my accounts are cancelled till JTL.