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ChewGoBack wrote:

revenge tef was the win for commandos!

probably before your time though TH?

Message Edited by ChewGoBack on 06-22-2004 08:36 PM

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JanuHull wrote:

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Krayvex wrote:

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JanuHull wrote:

I've long tried to suggest (as Rorenikibi) that the TEF system be replaced with a Temporary Overt Flag.

Basically, you bypass the TEF's half in, half out for just making a player PvP active for participating in factioned activities. The Group TEF opens too many doors for griefers while making non-PvP player's live miserable by leaving them open to a free shot. The TEF just doesn't work right.

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Why temporary? Why not make them truely overt, no refunds, no timer,when they get involved?

(not starting a war, just starting a discussion)

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Because the temporary activation goes back to the consentual nature of PvP in this game. Its still ONLY a temporary change for those not interested in open PvP, but still willing to risk acting for their faction.

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Thunderheart wrote:

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caddelite wrote:

Get rid of GTEF... bring back REVENGE TEF!

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Here is a great example of somethingthat has taken on a life of its own in the game.There is no such thing as a "revenge TEF". This is a game mechanic that wasn't put in the game specifically, but it has taken on a life of its own.

When you say "revenge TEF", what do you mean exactly? What is happening when you get one of these and how do you think it works?

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I remember back in the old days then battles lasted 5 hours in Anchorhead

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Krayvex wrote:

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JanuHull wrote:

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Krayvex wrote:

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JanuHull wrote:

I've long tried to suggest (as Rorenikibi) that the TEF system be replaced with a Temporary Overt Flag.

Basically, you bypass the TEF's half in, half out for just making a player PvP active for participating in factioned activities. The Group TEF opens too many doors for griefers while making non-PvP player's live miserable by leaving them open to a free shot. The TEF just doesn't work right.

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Why temporary? Why not make them truely overt, no refunds, no timer,when they get involved?

(not starting a war, just starting a discussion)

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Because the temporary activation goes back to the consentual nature of PvP in this game. Its still ONLY a temporary change for those not interested in open PvP, but still willing to risk acting for their faction.

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But isn't being turned overt really only a temporary thing? How much of an inconvenience is the switch back to covert (even if you do it by the time and don't duel and clone)? Is that worth the price of "getting involved"? There should be some price, right?

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Krayvex wrote:

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JanuHull wrote:

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Krayvex wrote:

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JanuHull wrote:

I've long tried to suggest (as Rorenikibi) that the TEF system be replaced with a Temporary Overt Flag.

Basically, you bypass the TEF's half in, half out for just making a player PvP active for participating in factioned activities. The Group TEF opens too many doors for griefers while making non-PvP player's live miserable by leaving them open to a free shot. The TEF just doesn't work right.

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Why temporary? Why not make them truely overt, no refunds, no timer,when they get involved?

(not starting a war, just starting a discussion)

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Because the temporary activation goes back to the consentual nature of PvP in this game. Its still ONLY a temporary change for those not interested in open PvP, but still willing to risk acting for their faction.

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But isn't being turned overt really only a temporary thing? How much of an inconvenience is the switch back to covert (even if you do it by the time and don't duel and clone)? Is that worth the price of "getting involved"? There should be some price, right?

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There is a price, its being attackable for X number of minutes. The point is that people who are NOT interested in PvP fulltime are given the option of remaining covert unless they act on behalf of their faction. They are not declaring their faction, only acting on it. Its the fine line of consent, someone who desires open PvP has the option of remaining overt at all times. Someone who does not desire open PvP still pay the price for acting on their faction's behalf, but also have that protection from fulltime PvP.

Keep in mind, you are essentially asking for a fulltime overt status for all factioned players. This is not reflective of the wishes of the vast majority of factioned players. It never has been. For them to make that kind of change would undermine the wishes of that majority and result in major backlashes.

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Rubicon49BC wrote:

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Krayvex wrote:

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JanuHull wrote:

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Krayvex wrote:

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JanuHull wrote:

I've long tried to suggest (as Rorenikibi) that the TEF system be replaced with a Temporary Overt Flag.

Basically, you bypass the TEF's half in, half out for just making a player PvP active for participating in factioned activities. The Group TEF opens too many doors for griefers while making non-PvP player's live miserable by leaving them open to a free shot. The TEF just doesn't work right.

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Why temporary? Why not make them truely overt, no refunds, no timer,when they get involved?

(not starting a war, just starting a discussion)

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Because the temporary activation goes back to the consentual nature of PvP in this game. Its still ONLY a temporary change for those not interested in open PvP, but still willing to risk acting for their faction.

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But isn't being turned overt really only a temporary thing? How much of an inconvenience is the switch back to covert (even if you do it by the time and don't duel and clone)? Is that worth the price of "getting involved"? There should be some price, right?

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Don't make them overt, not even temporary. It only leads to new ambush tactics. Give people a TEF for grouping with an overt, otherwise you're just shifting the problem around.

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Thunderheart wrote:

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caddelite wrote:

Get rid of GTEF... bring back REVENGE TEF!

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Here is a great example of somethingthat has taken on a life of its own in the game.There is no such thing as a "revenge TEF". This is a game mechanic that wasn't put in the game specifically, but it has taken on a life of its own.

When you say "revenge TEF", what do you mean exactly? What is happening when you get one of these and how do you think it works?

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personally i dont think there should be "TEF" if you want to go kill rebel soldiers or what not go to the recruiter and declare.

a revenge TEF used to allow you to clone and come back and get the first shot on the person(s) than sent you to the cloners without re-declaring overt status. they would be "TEF'd" to you but not other way round till you fired first. this went away about the time of patch 4 or 5 timeframe

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rYsyn wrote:

These are just my thoughts, take them for what you will (if you read this far):

1. GCW COMBAT FOR OVERT ONLY!




• The only people who should be able to Combat in GCW (PvP or PvE) are OVERT people


• This means if you are Covert, you cannot attack anyone orany NPC




• If youwant to run missions, you have to Declarein order to do so


• If you are in a group, and want to attack an Overt person, youmust be Overt (NO GROUP TEF!)

Elitist and exclusive. GCW does not equal PvP only.

1. TEF should only apply to NON-COMBAT actions




• If you Trade, Buff, Heal, or Slice someone that belongs to an OVERT individual, you should get a TEF




• This would also include ANY neutral that deals with OVERT faction members




• If you want to associate and do business with them, be prepared to pay the price


• If you are in the opposing faction, you cannot Trade, Buff, heal, or Slice if the other individual is Overt

If you can only participate in the GCW overt, why is this an issue at all? You solve nothing.

1. TEF should only remove your from or prevent you from entering PRIVATE structures!




• If you have a TEF, you shouldnot be prevented from entering any building that is open to the public




• This includes Medical Centers, Cantinas, Houses, PA Halls, City Halls, and other structures




• If your City Structures are identified as Public, a "city ban" would not prevent them from using it


• If your City Structuresare identified as Private, "city ban" would prevent banned people and TEF people from entering


• If you are in a Private building and receive a TEF, you would be ejected from the building while TEFed (like it is now)

This has potential.

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Rubicon49BC wrote:

Don't make them overt, not even temporary. It only leads to new ambush tactics. Give people a TEF for grouping with an overt, otherwise you're just shifting the problem around.

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Krayvex wrote:

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Rubicon49BC wrote:

Don't make them overt, not even temporary. It only leads to new ambush tactics. Give people a TEF for grouping with an overt, otherwise you're just shifting the problem around.

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Thanks to whatever short-sighted and pve-loving designer decided on the radar system, there is no way to ambush the opposing faction. Are ambushes bad? They should be a part of the game. If you're running around overt and alone you should be able to be ambushed imo. From what i've seen it's going to be the only way to kill jedi w/o having another jedi.

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