Development Cycle Archive

Thread: Weekly Roundtable Discussion (Week Ending 2-9-04)

NeuroWinterMute
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:29 am
#118

I am sorry if this has been asked before, but I can't seem to find it. TH, you have been quoted as saying that Holocrons soon will be nothing but trinkets. Is there truth to this statement? I am just wondering if I should attempt to start selling off the bunch that I stockpiled for when the value came back up a little bit.



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Keuller
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:46 am
#119

I'm going to do a quick rundown on armor and how it relates to wookiees in this post.

Armor absorbs damage. Composite Armor on my server is at 70% base and 80% to 2 special preotections. With encumberance slices most races can wear a full set unbuffed. With effectiveness slices these easily reach 90% resistances. That is a 95% overall damage reduction in PvE. If a wookiee took 1000dmg a composite wearing human would take 50.

Loot items such as nightsister shards can greatly lower the encumberance of armor. Layers and krayt segments can lead to significantly increased resistances. The segments in particular can lead to very good resistances with very low encumberance, and all the resistances are effectiveness, not special protections and as such can be sliced.

Weapon damage at launch was approximately 60% of what it is now, with exceptions being made for weapons created using special loot items such as krayt tissues or vibro motors, weapons made using these items can do 2-3x more damage than their at-launch counterparts. I won't even mention what has happened with heavy weapons (Ahh, the memories of my 165dmg LLC).

The loot items were added to make PvE easier. Players take less damage while dishing out more. PvP was kept level by letting players take more damage while dishing out more damage. Only the wookiees were left out of this equation, they were never given a way to absorb this new damage potential that was created.

Doctor and entertainer buffs have a disproportianate impact on armor wearing players. They allow armor that would not normally be equippable to be equipped, and once it is the damage absoption capabilities of these buffed players rises much faster than a wookiee's damage absorption ability. A human with 3kHA and 2.2k mind and an effectiveness sliced set of composite can take 44000dmg to his mind alone, with typical damage spread (50%H/33%A/17%M) that player will take 120,000dmg to incapacitate, ignoring any regenration that takes place during combat. A similarly buffed wookiee could take 6000dmg before being incapcitated, assuming again normal damage distribution and assuming the wookiee is not "1-shotted".

Wookiees do however have the ability to wear Personal Shield Generators. These shields have 1 special protection, usually around 25-35% resistance that does not change. Every other resistance on a PSG fluctuates with every server boundary, shuttle hop, and login. This makes PSG's unuseable in a practical sense. They exist, but we never know if they will actually work or not. Tantel and RIS armors also suffer from this bug/feature. There is a reason you don't see anyone making Tantel anymore, this is it.

Wookiees also recieve a HAM bonus of 700pts. Unfortunately this doesn't mean a whole lot when considering the power of doctor and entertainer buffs that have become very prevalent recently. I never go hunting unbuffed, and neither do my friends, it's just not smart to do so when you can have your stats raised by 1000-3500 over their normal levels for a mere 8k.

I hope this examination of armor and its related issues will convince some people that wookiees are in need of some new damage absorption abilities or equiptment. I'm not going to say armor, as that seems to be taboo, so I'll leave it at some way to absorb more damage than we can currently.

Thanks for your time and consideration,
-Kueller



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Ais - Master Armorsmith
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DKVoltar
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:56 am
#120

yeah, not to be a whiner but a lot of people have been told that a lot of things are going to be fixed...


needless to say, i'm a master carbineer so this is important to me. i've played around with master squad leader and i think the alleged "bonuses" are placebos.


give my sl brothers and sisters a bone - that is currently a complete waste of skill points.


droid engineer brothers and sisters. it's so hard to find one that's not a complete flake because they've been promised so much for so long and gotten nothing.


oh boy. my speeder's going to be white and red.


who cares. if the art department needs something to do, give dancers more than than 3 flourishes with exotic and fix the animation for meditation and stuff.


what's being worked on again and for when?





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...but beware the darkside, it has a rediculously higher force cost and will lead to being ganked by exploiters...
(oh and little Catone's my boy too...the doctor buffbot that runs around playing swordsman)

-oh why bother...
DKVoltar
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:58 am
#121


yeah, not to be a whiner but a lot of people have been told that a lot of things are going to be fixed...


needless to say, i'm a master carbineer so this is important to me. i've played around with master squad leader and i think the alleged "bonuses" are placebos.


give my sl brothers and sisters a bone - that is currently a complete waste of skill points.


droid engineer brothers and sisters. it's so hard to find one that's not a complete flake because they've been promised so much for so long and gotten nothing.


oh boy. my speeder's going to be white and red.


who cares. if the art department needs something to do, give dancers more than than 3 flourishes with exotic and fix the animation for meditation and stuff.


what's being worked on again and for when?





Vellata Rar (TKM / Master Rifleman)Voltar (Dark Jedi Fisherman)
...but beware the darkside, it has a rediculously higher force cost and will lead to being ganked by exploiters...
(oh and little Catone's my boy too...the doctor buffbot that runs around playing swordsman)

-oh why bother...
TheBlur
Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:02 pm
#122








SeroSabot wrote:


Hmmmm Wasent there something the Wookie's despertly wanted? I cant quite put my finger on it....What could it possibly be?




HAHAHA


Good one.


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Noitcopa
Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:07 pm
#123

Just a comment on theme parks. Any confirmation of badges being given for pre-badge completion? If not, is there any though to adding 1 final quest to the themeparks to let us get one (especially considering we got screwed on the rewards)? Also, an aside fromthat... Lukes quests were STUPID. A total let down. The hardest by far were akbars... doesn't that seem a bit scewd? Finally.. How hard is it to fix a profession title? Commando's have been wrong since the beginning. Its TEXT... fix it PLEASE!!!





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josfe
Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:14 pm
#124

The Top 5 Species Issue: Zabrak (NO REPLIES AS OF YET)


The Top 5 Species Issue:Wookiees (NO REPLIES AS OF YET)


The Top 5 Species Issue:Bothans (NO REPLIES AS OF YET)


See a trend here? I've tried to get ThunderHearts attention on every one of these blasted roundtable discussions and guess what? (NO REPLIES AS OF YET)I thought the communication between the community and the developers was supposed to improve. This is honestly as bad if not worse than when the game launched.


With the removal of mod stacking (comming in patch 6) along with the new armor types and weapon types (comming in patch 6) the wookiees armor plight has turned from a huge imbalance to a game breaking bug.My fellow master wookiee combatants will be confied to their homes and cities for fear of being slaughtered by meatlump baffonswhile the rest of the population explores, and hunts kryats. You need to address the Wookiees species requests immediately and give us a time frame on when we can expect these changes to be implemented.


I've been patient, I've been nice, I've gone through the official communication channels. However these "Official communication channels" have failed the Wookiees and so have the developers. It's about time we recieved some answers!

Jonzard
Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:15 pm
#125






Atteke wrote:
Is thereanyway to stop other people's combat data appearing in our Combat channel? if not any chance on adding it?.






Thats a good point, im wondering if it exists now... or if it doesnt, THIS SHOULD BE ADDED
Khalaermol
Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:30 pm
#126

just a comment here on droids, see my sig



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MythicScrewedMeWillSony
Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:49 pm
#127

"I will tell you this, Droids (and DE's) are going to be the MAIN feature for the January publish. We will be fixing alot of things and adding combat droids." - JustG - November 25, 2003


Account closed effective Feb 4, 2004! Been here since release!! Thanks a lot SOE!


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mmaughme
Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:49 pm
#128




MrWizzard wrote:

Is there any word on what will happen to those of us who got stuck in the krayt skull quest when Borvo was saying 'good' and now cannot go any further in the quest? There are a lot of us who would like to finish that quest, and all customer service can tell me is they are sorry that I am having trouble with quests.


Specifically, the problem came when trying to give the briefcase to borvo, he took it, but wouldnt dole out quests. Now that the entire series of quests has been fixed, many MANY of us who were stuck in the middle cannot restart, nor continue the quest. What I'm most afraid of is that whoever was working on it will think their task was completed when the quest was fixed from start to finish, however there are still those of us who cannot finish the quest. Perhaps being able to talk to thale and receive a new briefcase would do the trick?




Hear, hear! I attempted this mission while it was broken, and gave the gun to Huff's guard. But Huff still wouldn't speak to me, and when I went back outside to speak with the guard, she once again told me to find Pappy Darklighter's gun. Sigh. I can't complete this mission because neither the guard nor Huff recognize I've already turned in the gun, and Borvo won't give me another one.




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Tailor | Ranger | Creature Handler | Carbineer | Image Designer | Armorsmith | ...Silent...
Rifleman | Artisan | Droid Engineer | Chef | Weaponsmith | Architect | Medic | Combat Medic
Marksman | Doctor | Pikeman | Brawler | Fencer (in progress) | Publish 9 (sigh) | Cancelled

mmaughme
Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:52 pm
#129




deltabob00 wrote:

Has anyone else noticed that many questions are just being pasted into the roundtable each week from the previous week? I'm not sure what irritates me more, seeing the questions over and over, or seeing the questions over and over because they have never been addressed.




For me it's seeing the issues never being addressed. I'm still trying to figure out where the discussion comes into all this, considering the Devs so rarely seem to discuss here...




Fichesi Ishott, Ex-Jedi Wannabe ~ Scout | Bio-Engineer | Musician | Dancer | Entertainer
Tailor | Ranger | Creature Handler | Carbineer | Image Designer | Armorsmith | ...Silent...
Rifleman | Artisan | Droid Engineer | Chef | Weaponsmith | Architect | Medic | Combat Medic
Marksman | Doctor | Pikeman | Brawler | Fencer (in progress) | Publish 9 (sigh) | Cancelled

SeroSabot
Tue Feb 03, 2004 1:57 pm
#130






TheBlur wrote:
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Hmmmm Wasent there something the Wookie's despertly wanted? I cant quite put my finger on it....What could it possibly be?



-Sero

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