Dancer Archive
Thread: It's time Dancers/Musicians stopped taking this CRAP.
Message Edited by StompyPete on 07-06-2004 11:20 AM
Message Edited by StompyPete on 07-06-2004 11:20 AM
Glad to see you taking an interest here in the musician forum.
Your complaint is certainly on our long list of complaints, though I don't think it's as high a priority for us as just being able to consistently give the buff at all. We have no way of knowing that a buff is happening, how long it's been happening for, or how well it will work (or even if it will work, as it sometimes seems to fail for no good reason at all).
I know you've got lots of say in the Tempest forum at least, so please do raise this concern as loudly as you can. We musicians have a lot of trouble getting dev attention (they don't communicate with us).
Thanks,
-Scipionus Mentus, Tempest
And since BufBots have all the time in the world, most customers ate not willing to pay a lot for something they can get free of charge.
Heck, if they got rid of all buffs that would actually make me happy. Yes, the only major way an entertainer can earn income will be gone, but I think that price to pay is nothing for the benefit of reducing the need for buffbots in the galaxy.
There are other ways to make money. The ways to deal with buffbots are becoming fewer and fewer 
Kreistor wrote:
Heck, if they got rid of all buffs that would actually make me happy. Yes, the only major way an entertainer can earn income will be gone, but I think that price to pay is nothing for the benefit of reducing the need for buffbots in the galaxy.
There are other ways to make money. The ways to deal with buffbots are becoming fewer and fewer
More & more Ubi, I'm coming to that conclusion myself. The devs have made it pretty clear that they've no intention of doing anything that will inhibit the unattended playstyle. Some combat players have made it clear that they've no interest in visiting the cantinas if there is another way to heal mind wounds & bf and get a buff. Jedi can now heal woundsthat once were exclusively dependent uponour skills. From the information leaking out about the combat rebalance, mind will no longer be the dominating factor in either pve or pvp combat.
But if players can get an edgein combatwith as little effort, delay or ingame costas possible they will. Any changes that are made to make our abilities more interactive are likely to make it more inhibiting for us to entertain. And as long as we have the ability to buff mind there will be buffbot owners working around any inhibitions placed on our profession within a matter of minutes, while we try to figure out how to deal with popup boxes and perform at the same time.
I suppose it would be one thing if we performed by selecting a dance and then clicking the flourish buttons, but as you and I both know, therecan bea lot more to it than that. And frankly, I'd rather be poor and able to perform (not to mention being able to find cantina floors with room to perform on!)than have to deal another day with competing with buffbots.
Would it be worth it to just have our performance abilities? Based upon the tells and tips I get when Til & I perform, I'd have to reply to that question with a resounding yes! I think if players could see groups of entertainers performing choreographed programs again the support would be overwhelming.
Esharra wrote:
Would it be worth it to just have our performance abilities? Based upon the tells and tips I get when Til & I perform, I'd have to reply to that question with a resounding yes! I think if players could see groups of entertainers performing choreographed programs again the support would be overwhelming.
Agreed. Sometimes the majority of the tips I get comes from my performance at a starport while waiting for that 9min shuttle. I can't heal mind wounds at a starport. I can't heal battle fatigue at a starport. I can't buff at a starport. So I'm obviously not getting tipped for any of my system abilities, just the ones that make me an entertainer. 
Xyrdre wrote:
I've been thinking about this a lot lately as well. I would not cry at all if mind buffs disappeared from the galaxy. They started out as an idea for something to help us out, and have birthed the buffbot. Best laid plans of mice and men...
Of course, anyone who has read my posts knows that ideally I don't buffs and healing removed from this game. I mean, the whole focal point of my argument is that we, as entertainers, need a way to make money, and we need a way to be interdependent, just like every other profession. How exactly is a pure entertainer going to afford clothes, housing, vehicles, maintenance, repairs, and even just a few simple luxuries if we don't have a way to make money? Simply put, you can't. Buffs, at one time, guaranteed those who mastered these professions an income.
Unfortunately, at this point, that is no longer the case. Many of us feel we don't have an income anymore. Yes, I like to preach about how I'm entertaining and I get tips and all that. Which I do. But, you know, standing around at a starport entertaining can garner me maybe...I dunno, 2k an hour? That's really not enough to live the lifestyle I'm accustomed to.
So, no, I don't want buffs removed. I want them fixed so that we can make a living again. Having said that, if the devs never intend to fix the buffs, then sure, remove them. We certainly aren't going to be any worse off than we are now. And, at least we won't have to be ridiculed by the elite combat profession types who hate us for trying to stand up for ourselves.
So, yeah...my primary choice, make buffing ATK only, my secondary choice, remove them altogether. Things cannot stay how they are right now.