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Sylune_heart

Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:49 am

Since the speed buff exploit has been succesfully dealt with. Now lets move on to curb that nasty afk problem. Next i would like to see them remove the "Auto join" command...there is no legitimate reason i can think of to have a command that auto joins you to a group.

Lets get rid of afk buffers all together by completely removing the auto join feature. Its a non needed function period..other then exploiting the use of afk macros.

Can anyone think of any legit reason to allow auto joins?

I have thought for two days about it i cant come up with one reason that would be useful. How hard is it to click "YES" if you Want to join a group?

This will cut down on at least bots taking the buff revenue to those who actually want to be there.

Thanks

Ceta

Master dancer

Bloodfin

Xyrdre

Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:56 am

#2

I've been thinking about this for a little while as well...

The only use I've been able to thinkof for auto joins is to intentionally encourage AFK unattendedautomation. I see no use for auto joining for anyone actively playing the game.

Deila Karlossi , Blue Glowie of Dancers, and become more powerful than you could possibly imagine...

Sylune_heart

Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:03 am

#3

As a side not this is not only limited to the entertainer field, this is spilling over into the doctors ranks as well. Today on bloodfin in Coronet i saw an automated doctor buffer who was doing full buff package for FREE! Cutting into the doctors that were actually attending to their customers.

This trend has to stop, the economy can only handle so much of this kinda of stuff before inflation goes thru the roof for everyone.

Ceta

Master dancer

Bloodfin

Sylune_heart

Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:16 am

#4

I posted this over on the dancer forums but it effects the musicians as well so i thought i would add it here too. ANd being an up and coming master musician i thought it my duty to do so. Anyway.

Now that they have solved the 30 second buff exploit, lets move on to the nasty little afk problem. One thing that would help this puppy along would be to remove the "AUTO JOIN" command that is a of prevalent use in the afk world. All it does is encourage unattended play.

Can anyone think of a legit use for auto join at all?

I have thought about this for two days and i cant think of one good use for this. How hard is it to click "YES" if you want to join a group?

Removing this ability all together seems like a good step, its not going to stop afk botters from gaining XP..nor holo grinders from doing what they have to do...but it does put the buffing system back into the hands of the people it was meant to, the entertainers whose sole income is from entertainement. There are many of us who enjoy being entertainers, and we dont have two accounts to run multi character suites. At least this way the buffs will be given by the people who actually make their living at giving buffs.

As a side not this just isnt limited to Entertainers, this is spilling over into the doctor community as well. Just today on Bloodfin i saw an automated doctor at the Coronet starport who was doing full stat buffs for FREE! underminding the Doctors that were actually there trying to make a little jingle money to continue crafting or whatever. This trend has to stop and i think that removing the ability to auto join group while afk will go a long way into putting things a bit more right.

Thanks

Ceta

Master dancer /Soon to be master Musician

Bloodfin

NewJedi

Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:59 am

#5

You convinced me. But then, I'm not sure why there's a macro function at all.

Kreistor

Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:23 am

#6

Even though I completely agree on this point, I don't think it's possible to remove the /join command.

As far as I can tell, every single click, keystroke and button press has an associated / command. If I'm on stage dancing and I get an extremely rude patron, I don't have to stop dancing and go over to my cantina's control panel to ban the person, I just target him and type /setpermission ban <bugger's name> and he's shown the door.

But AFK grinding, not just for dancers but for all professions, needs to be dealt with. The only thing I can think of to deal with the problem is to make it so that being AFK means your character can NOT do anything. Can't dance, can't heal, can't survey, can't anything. Once that flag comes up, you just stop. That would mean changed the AFK system so that you can't set the time or turn it off completely.

Ub-ick Esava
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Aidrick

Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:06 am

#7

I think people need to stop complaining and just enjoy the game. Seems that no matter what "its an explot", "nerf it" and quite frankly it's old.

Can't we all just enjoy this game for once without NITPICKING every single thing?

So there are AFK grinders...I don't care who is AFK dancing, I am just glad someone is "there" to heal my battle fatigue. Especially when theres no one else around town to do so.

So really, all this complaining is nonsense. Enjoy the game, amaze yourselves. You can do it.

Message Edited by Aidrick on 04-23-2004 08:06 AM

Kreistor

Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:57 am

#8

I totally understand why you feel this way Aidrick. But the problem is that the 30 second buff exploit and the AFK dancers are preventing some of us from having fun.

The entertainer classes are very social classes. Our reputation comes from our ability to socialize with people, to ease their weary minds and battle fatigue not just through dance but through presence as well.

The 30-sec buffers and AFK dancers detract from that experience, making it hard for us to enjoy our profession.

Just like other combat classes were screaming for change when pistoleers were making gobs and gobs of xp in the Geonosian caves, so are we trying to protect the enjoyment of our profession.

Ub-ick Esava
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Bria - Working towards Master Dancer one fall at a time

Lowca - Master Dancer Extraordinaire
*CENSORS* Cantina, Honor's Keep, Corellia,

TDevout

Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:45 am

#9

Sylune_Heart wrote:

"Since the speed buff exploit has been succesfully dealt with."

I wouldn't call a nerf to legitamate buffing a success by any means. Now 8 minute buffs will become 10 minute buffs. As if players were knocking down our doors trying to get them as it was. All the whining just made it worse for those who were playing straight.

Xyrdre

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:22 pm

#10

Indirectly only. The fix for the 30 second buff is not the additional 2 minutes that's been added. The fix is the 15 second delay after /stopdance.

Most of us are still wondering why the've added the additional 2 minute "dead time", as it seems the 15 second delay alone would have defeated the workarounds to the flourish timer employed by the speed buff macro. Most of us agree that the 2 minute dead time hurts the "legitimate" player.

I only hope that there's still time for the devs to reconsider the added 2 minutes, and/or we'll find out what the reasoning behind this particular change is. It is possible that there's another facet to this that the added dead time will correct thatI haven't considered... but I still don't see it.

Deila Karlossi , Blue Glowie of Dancers, and become more powerful than you could possibly imagine...

NewJedi

Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:33 pm

#11

I can see that, LeBob. But if that were the intent, I wish the devs had not included such a strong macro tool. Other games support macro'ing without supporting bots that run for hours and days on end.

Tackoi

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:39 pm

#12

LeBob wrote:

NewJedi wrote:
You convinced me. But then, I'm not sure why there's a macro function at all.

the macro abilities are in the game to attempt to create a more level playing field for people that would (and do) use EULA-breaking 3rd party software and people that would not use those, but might be able to augment their playstyles with the use of simple macros

There's a simple way to fix the macros so you can't afk for days with them, but still use simple ones for everyday purposes. Remove the /macro [name] command and the /ui action toolbarSlot [number] commands. This way you'd have to be at your computer doing some work, instead of just being afk, getting exp, while you sleep.

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LeBob

Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:15 pm

#13

yeah, but if they did that, I'm sure alot more people would start using 3rd party software to compensate... it's a sticky issue

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