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Thread: Do you think it's fair to spend 400k xp out of 900k xp when you could be getting FS xp from it?

Warryyr
Sun Sep 19, 2004 4:34 pm
#1
That's right, Entertainers.



Those of us who choose to pursue a Jedi exchange our xp to gain Force Sensitive xp.



The new quests on Test Center require us to spend 400k xp to gain our new song or new dance. That's nearly 50% of the cap (900k xp) that we need to spend on this new content.



We did their Quests, they should give us their reward.



If the Devs think that their precious new quests aren't enough to give us what we've needed and deserved to get for MONTHS now, that's not our problem, it's theirs.



Nevertheless, we as a playstyle should NOT have to spend our hard-earned xp to gain new content. Not when xp is so precious for those of us pursuing Force Sensitivity and ultimately a Jedi.



This is not a matter of whether YOU want a Jedi, this a matter of all those in your profession who DO want a Jedi being unfairly treated.



I strongly urge each and every one of you (non-Entertainers included!) to post in the following Dev thread regarding the new song and dance - and ask to REMOVE THE XP REQUIREMENT as it is UNFAIR to Force Sensitivity-seeking Entertainers.



I also ask that you state how it is inexcusable to implement a new dance as a reward, since they are fully aware the base step to the new dance is broken.






Time is of the essence. Please post today. Please join me in asking that the XP requirement for the new content be REMOVED, NO COMPROMISE. This will harm every Entertainer from getting a fair shake at gaining a Jedi, for the sake of learning something new to entertain with, an addition to our Professions which has been sorely needed for a long time now.



Thanks for reading this.

Message Edited by Warryyr on 09-19-2004 04:36 PM

Shi_Dira
Sun Sep 19, 2004 4:56 pm
#2
I agree with you on this one and posted there as well. Actually, you made a great post so all I had to do was basically quote you and /sign it...



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Warryyr
Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:27 pm
#3




Shi_Dira wrote:
I agree with you on this one and posted there as well. Actually, you made a great post so all I had to do was basically quote you and /sign it...





Thanks so much for agreeing


Please, anyone else who does, make your voice heard in this Dev thread above.


We have their ear, we need to join together and say that those Entertainers pursuing Force Sensitivity shouldn't be disadvantaged compared to other professions. Our xp is just as valuable to us as it is to them. 400k xp in Music or Dance is NOTHING to scoff at. It takes a lot of work. If an Entertainer is doing that work to get Force Sensitive xp, they shouldn't be PENALIZED for wanting new content for their profession as well.


Please keep in mind, also, that any Novice Dancer/Musician can complete the Entertainer Quests. However, with the CURRENT xp requirement, they will get NO reward. Novice Dancers/Musicians, do NOT waste your time. Your xp is capped at 125k. You get no reward. Don't like it? Post in the Dev thread.


Please folks, get vocal on this if you don't agree with it. We need to be as vocal as possible so something is done. Otherwise the Devs will think it's a couple crackpots who are out of their minds (no matter how sound the argument).


Thanks for your time. I truly appreciate it.


EsistDarkSky
Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:40 pm
#4
Wait...I don't get it... What's the problem?

Kitachiira
Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:13 pm
#5
I agreed with you too Warryyr.
Warryyr
Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:09 pm
#6




EsistDarkSky wrote:
Wait...I don't get it... What's the problem?





Well, first off.


The xp requirement to gain the reward from the new quests is 400k Dance xp.


A Novice Dancer can take the quests, and complete them successfully.


They, however, can NOT gain the reward they've earned. Novice Dancer xp caps below 400k xp. They do the quests, they get no rewards. Is that right?


Second, Force Sensitivity xp requires you "cash in" your regular xp (Dance, Music) to get FS xp. The cap is 900k xp for Dance or Music xp. If I'm a Dancer or Musician, pursuing Force Sensitivity just like countless other players, I am penalized for wanting new profession content. I am penalized in the Force Sensitive xp conversion. I'll have to spend almost 1/2 of my capped xp (900k xp) on the new song or new dance.


If I'm both Dancer and Musician, that costs me 800k xp to get the new danceand song.


This effectively puts Dancers and Musicians pursuing Force Sensitivity at a disadvantage.


Whether you choose to pursue Force Sensitivity or not isn't the point. It's those that do - they're not getting treated right with this. It's also an unreasonable limit considering that a Novice Musician and Novice Dancer can successfully complete the quests, but will not be able to obtain the reward they've earned. They can't get 400k xp.

Message Edited by Warryyr on 09-19-2004 10:55 PM

Goldy_Lhim
Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:13 am
#7
/agree


and posted!


my work here is done ...



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Sohile
Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:53 am
#8

Ohhh, are you saying that to get the reward for completing the quest to open the force skill tree, we have to spend xp to get it? Whereas my main character completed Whip's quest and he just handed hera piece of a crappy statue? (sorry, different grip there)


Sorry, it took me 3 or 4 reads to get what you were saying.


That does stink. Yet another reason my dancer will never get to be Force Sensitive.
Goldy_Lhim
Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:12 am
#9




Sohile wrote:


Ohhh, are you saying that to get the reward for completing the quest to open the force skill tree, we have to spend xp to get it? Whereas my main character completed Whip's quest and he just handed hera piece of a crappy statue? (sorry, different grip there)


Sorry, it took me 3 or 4 reads to get what you were saying.


That does stink. Yet another reason my dancer will never get to be Force Sensitive.





*reads and re-reads post*


Um I don't think you have it right. The issue here is that after doing the like 7-step quest you get the reward scroll of a new dance. You cannot learn this new dance unless you have 400k dancing experience saved up. So basically you didn't get a dance unless you trade in your experience and the quest netted you maybe 2000 credits for completing it (hardly worthit)


The problem is those that are Force Sensitive and are working toward FS skills need that dancing exp to turn into FS experience. The dancer ratio is 10:1 so 400k dancing exp = 40k FS experience gone just to get a new dance.


The point of this post is saying we don't want to spend experience to learn a dance (that we feel we earned by completing the quest) especially for those who would like to spend the 400k for Force Sensitive skills. No other rewards require an experience cost touse them so we are kinda baffled why there is this requirement for our content.


I hope I explained that clearer



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Warryyr
Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:40 am
#10

I would like thank whatever immature individual 1 starred my post, yet didn't have the decency to explain their actions with a post.


If you don't agree with the removal of the xp requirement, that's just fine. Then post your feelings in the link provided.


If you're so unhappy with my post, and feel it necessary to 1 star me, at least have the courtesy, decency, and spine to tell me why.


What kind of treatment is this?


You know what, do you want, think what you want, I'm never coming back to this thread.


Opinions stated above. 1 star bandit me to your heart's delight. If the community agrees, the replies will keep the thread alive. If not, sorry to waste your time and mine. Don't complain when the Quests go Live as they currently are. Because I'll have nothing to do with it.


Enjoy your broken dance and waste of 400k xp, 1 star bandit. You've earned it.


Apologies to all the wonderful people who've posted in this thread, and helped foster civil and productive discussions regarding this. I thank each and every one of you for being who you are. Without you, thisplaystyle could have been dead long ago - before I even had a chance to experience it. Keep doing the wonderful things you do, and keep the magic alive in this game. Star Wars would have been nothing without the sense of wonderment within it. I feel Entertainers in this game help provide that element of wonder and fantasy. We really do help make this game better for everyone. Thank you again for the passion you show for your profession. Sorry for the tirade against the 1 star bandit, they frustrate me to no end.


/quit

Message Edited by Warryyr on 09-20-2004 12:13 PM

Goldy_Lhim
Mon Sep 20, 2004 1:06 pm
#11
I realize you are now just arguing for the sake of arguement and don't really care but you are missing an important part here. The 400 exp loss hurts FS dancers. Itsexperience we obtained and are forced to spend on some other piece of content.I would rather do the same ol' crap or get signatures or something to validate my dance rather than spend 40k of my senses experience. We shouldn't have to lose experience to obtain our reward, especially when that experience is used elsewhere. Before publish 10, I would of been like "eh, no big deal".


The finding random loot and getting quest parts like the armorsmith and tailor quests doesn't require them tolose experiencejust time completing the quest. Which is no different the the time lost when we are begging for 30 people to watch us or performing for a group of NPCs trying to get them satisfied and help us finish the quest. Granted our version of the quest is a lot easier than the difficulty of getting the clamps or leather but after obtaining all the items they are allowed to craft the item with no personal loss to their character's skill pool. They're not forced to give up their FS exp to craft these new items. We shouldn't be forced to give up FS experience for new content either.



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EsistDarkSky
Mon Sep 20, 2004 1:15 pm
#12
Heh. I'm not arguing. Like I said, XP loss is a lame thing to tie into a Quest. But it's not like this is the first time a profession has had to attain a Schematic. While you're dancing in a Cantina to gain the necessary XP, an Armorsmith is camping out the Woolamander Temple in the hopes he can loot a bone so he can advance to the next stage of the quest.

Esharra
Mon Sep 20, 2004 1:17 pm
#13




EsistDarkSky wrote:
Well, Armorsmith need to collect a wide array of loot items, the most notably of which being the GDK scale, which I have hounded after for MONTHS and still have been unable to attain. Tailors need to have loot items such as Heavy Duty Leather or Clasps which also takes time, and Weaponsmiths needed the Schematic, Yellow Cubes from the Geonosian Dungeon, Geonosion Solidifying Agents, etc.

They all had to sacrifice stuff that took time to attain. I understand that you're thinking 400k is Severe, especially when compared to the Smiths who had to sacrifice no XP in order to get their items.. But factor in the collection process of the necessary items..


And what are those items worth in credits to their customers after they put them on a vendor..as opposed to what someone is going to pay a dancer to do the new dance?



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