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Thread: Healing battle fatigue in master ranger camps.

_Nightrunner_
Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:32 pm
#1



I am a master ranger on kettemoor and a master dancer on bria. In camps you can heal wounds, buff, and heal everything except battle fatigue. (I am not saying that the camps heal this, but people can do this in the camp, namely a master dancer can heal battlefatigue in a camp)


Story #1


As a master dancer on Bria my friends were in the death watch bunker and offered me 100k an hour to come out and heal/buff them. Nobody could make a camp, so I picked up novice scout so I could make a buff/healing camp. They soon found out that I could not heal their battle fatigue in a camp, so several of them decided to just go leave for the city and I ended up paying half the money back and leaving because I was basically useless out there. I understand that you may want people to come into the cantinas where the majority of the dancers are, but for dancers that want to perform special gigs out in the field I think they should have that choice.


Story #2


One problem is that since cities, mounts, vehicles, droids and automatic droid/pet calling was implemented camps have been almost useless. The other day I was kryat hunting with my guild mates, way away from civilization when our tank needed to get rebuffed. Basically, our tank for the kryats can get 1000 battle fatigue just from tanking one kryat. Battle fatigue affects your ability to get healed as well as your ability to get buffed. We had a master musician and a master dancer at the camp. We could mind buff in the camp but could not heal battle fatigue. So they told me "nice camp" but then asked me to disband the camp and they placed a house so that they could heal BF in order to get buffs and get better healing.


Please keep the discussion civil, I would like to know what kind of objections we would have about a dancer or musician being able to heal in at least master ranger level camps if not all camps.

Ikewe
Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:48 pm
#2

I personally would support entertainers being able to offer their full services in a Master Ranger Camp. Yes I suspect it will strike a blow to the city hubs but for me those are dead on my server any way (unless you like afk and then it's a full on jamfest).


I am against the idea of camps doing this on their own - without an entertainer - even at a drastically reduced rate.


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shadowdefender
Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:57 pm
#3

I would also support camps with entertainers being able to heal BF. I originally thought that is how it was supposed to work and got a rather rude shock. Doctors can heal off their wounds while in camp and give buffs - entertainers should be also. It would also give back a viable reason to be a Ranger/Scout.

As far as someone plopping down a small house and using it heal and buff in - if we changed the houses so that they wouldnt work for that - we might see more people in player city cantinas, camps or NPC cantinas.



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Esharra
Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:57 pm
#4







Ikewe wrote:

I personally would support entertainers being able to offer their full services in a Master Ranger Camp. Yes I suspect it will strike a blow to the city hubs but for me those are dead on my server any way (unless you like afk and then it's a full on jamfest).


I am against the idea of camps doing this on their own - without an entertainer - even at a drastically reduced rate.


Ikewe, Master Rifles, Shadowfire(*former Master Dancer)





/agree on all points.


We've discussed healing BF in camps a number of times here on the forum. I think most of us would like to have the ability to heal BF in camps. The rangers who have posted seem in favor of us being able to do so in the ranger level camps but not the scout level ones (I hope I've understood everyone correctly). We entertainers are steadfastly against anything that would eliminate us entirely from the game. The ability for a camp to heal BF without an entertainer present would definitely accomplish our demise under the circumstances of our place in the game at this time.


Message Edited by Esharra on 02-07-2005 01:59 PM



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Maisland
Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:33 pm
#5

Yes, I would like to see Dancers and Musicians able to heal BF in Master Ranger Camps. I know that the first time I realized that I could not heal BF in a camp I was rather dissapointed.



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Panthu
Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:35 pm
#6

I'm ok with Ents healing BF in Ranger camps.




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Drygo
Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:56 pm
#7






_Nightrunner_ wrote:



I have changed my position on ATK buff bots thoughto some degree. There is acutally someone who runs a buff bot macro but who is at the keyboard and speaks with people on kettemoor. I think that this is a good approach to combating the afk buff bots in the meantime. I have even tipped her a couple times since she is ATK.






Small sidenote. I know who you're talking about. And, I use to never have a problem going to her. It's not the buff macro that's a problem, it's the afk part. And, she's there. So, that's not a problem. However, she's had several musician "partners" who are bonified afk bots, and that's why I don't go to her any longer.


Back on topic...Yes, I would love, love, love for us to be able to heal BF in camps. I, too, was disappointed when I found out I couldn't. And, when someone new comes along and we're in camp, I hate having to tell them that I can't do it.



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_Nightrunner_
Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:15 am
#8

I agree that camps should not under any circumstances heal bf by themselves. Also I am a master ranger but I am all for dancer to be able to heal bf in any camp for the reason of not limiting dancers. My dancer on bria would love to be able to pick up novice scout and buff people out in the wild. Limiting it to ranger is not my intention at all.. acutally that was just to facilitate dancers who might want to keep this use limited.


It appears to me that neither dancers or scouts are against allowing a dancer or musician to heal bf in camps, so i dont see why devs would have a problem with this. I think a much bigger issue is the AFKbuff bots. Leveling as a novice dancer is very difficult now a days as most poeple go to a buff bot for buffs and end up giving all the healing xp to someone who doesnt even need it.


I have changed my position on ATK buff bots thoughto some degree. There is acutally someone who runs a buff bot macro but who is at the keyboard and speaks with people on kettemoor. I think that this is a good approach to combating the afk buff bots in the meantime. I have even tipped her a couple times since she is ATK.
picklesSW
Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:30 am
#9

This has been discuessed several times. Just a few notes...


The decision to not heal BF in camps was made specifically so that cantinas could not be replaced as a social hub. In essense, if nothing else brough people back to town and to their local cantina, battle fatigue would.

Now, as things stand, the cantinas are a nightmare that nobody wants to enter anyway, much less spend significant time in. But that does not necessarily invalidate the game design. You can either work to grant BF healing elsewhere (or everywhere) and give up on the cantinas, or you can try to fix the problem with the cantinas (AFKing) and restore them to what they were, social hubs.

The most common proposal is as stated above, that master ranger camps would allow battle fatigue healing. Personally, I agree with this. I do not agree that normal scout or ranger camps should have the ability. Since there are few master rangers, this gives them a nice benefit and a real edge to being in a group, and it also probably will not severely impact the social hubs for when they fix the AFK problem.

While I hate the cantinas as they stand, I do still have hope they will remove all AFK play...and when that happens, I don't want to find out that they completely marginalized cantinas with a change like this, in the same way they marginalized medical centers into tumbling centers.




Petronela
Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:59 am
#10

As some have pointed out this subject has been raised before. If I remember correctly both parties have been in agreement (over all anyways, maybe not in details) that it would only make logical sense for Master Ranger tent having the ability to let an Entertainer to heal BF.
I would not like to see the Camps heal by themselves but would more then welcome to be able to dance there and heal BF.
It’s one of those things, which never made sense to me. When my husband used to play he was a ranger so we found out first time we tried it. Was actually funny, because we both thought I was doing something wrong at first, because the idea of not being able to heal BF in the camp never even entered our mind.
So, if you collecting votes you have my yes vote for Entertainers being able to heal BF in Master Ranger’s Camps only.

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Xyrdre
Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:48 am
#11



I don't have a problem with BF healing in ranger camps either. I think it would make a nice medium stance.... butI don't see that asa compromise.



So long as it takes an entertainer to perform, then entertainers remain involved in the process and the gameplay. That is my critical point. If BF healing were allowed in Master Ranger camps (even cooler if that old-ishidea of having those camps be customizable at the time of crafting, by the Ranger, using modules prepared by DE's, was implemented), I think that would encourage hunting parties to bring along entertainers, thus involving ents more in general gameplay. I think it promotes the idea of forming well-rounded groups, and involves entertainers in a way that many of us have wanted to be involved for a long time.





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EsclavoTKM
Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:41 am
#12

I would love to be able to heal BF in MASTER RANGER CAMPS. It would add a little something to both profs and I doubt it would take away from the social aspect of the cantina. There will always be people that want to solo and need to enter into the cantina for BF/wound healing. I think especially after the combat upgrade, when grouping will be more encouraged, this will be beneficial. Speaking for myself, I sometimes feel a little too confined in cantinas, no matter how well the social interaction is and I rather enjoy being out in the rough of things.



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kirah_ashlin
Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:52 am
#13


Ah, I remember the early days of hunting with a ranger . .. . . and how much fun that was. It would be great to be able to heal BF in a Master Ranger camp. It might inspire some entertainers to pick up MR as a secondary profession, too. I don't foresee people picking up Novice Entertainer just so they can heal BF while hunting being a problem as NE's heal BF so much slower than the elite entertainer professions. It could actually be a simple means of making us viable again.
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