Dancer Archive
Thread: I demand BF healing in Camps and I'm right
I want dancers to heal BFin the camps, plain and simple. I hate the fact that ugly city buildings have magical powers that enable you to relax. If you want to relax just imagine a master dancer doingthe slow dance in a camp while the suns go down on Tatooine, and the moons fill the desert with a soft blue luminescence. I love the field and have one thought about BF being healed in stale, ugly buildings in god-forsaken crudhole cities: IT'S FREAKING STUPID!
And as far as how the dancers feel about being stuck in those dank sweatholes where you can't tell night from day, I quit dancing because I wanted to see the Galaxy. Yeah you want to get groups together and force people to be social but the thing is people will always be in cities and it'smore social to haveentertainers go out with the troops as it is to have the troops march back to the stupid city buildings with their magic relaxation abilities. Yeah they're so relaxing that the moment I get in there I'm watching my mind wounds go to zero so I don't waste an extra second in that laggy hellhole watching dancers move at 4fps, when animation is running at20 fps out in the field.
Besides, if you're a dancer you're just sitting on the sidelines half the time listening to people swap stories about all the cool stuff that takes place outside of the 20x40 meter place where you can do your job.
-- YP
As much as I want to agree on BF, we have to understand the entire reason it's even in the game: to force players to come to town and use the cantinas.
However you may feel about that little game mechanic, the intent is to maintain a social element to the game through cantinas. Anything which detracts from this social element will undo the original formula and completely screw entertainers - MOST of us never built characters to survive in the field and MUST have some place where we can perform and be assured that players will utilize our services.
By allowing BF heals in camps, you have immediately eliminated cantinas as a game consideration. There will no longer be any reason to congregate there for performers OR players, and those entertainers who don't have combat skills will either take up combat or quit the game. The long-range ramifications of such a change would be catastrophic for dancers and musicians.
So, as much as I'd love to heal my party's BF in camps when I'm on hunts with them, I also know that such an ability would destroy my chosen profession. So would giving the ability to any other class - BF was not invented to help Rangers. It was invented to give entertainers a prayer of surviving in SWG. Artificial as that may be, there it is.
- J
Read what Sinda wrote at least 3 times...and then stop asking for BF to be healed in the field. She is correct. It was put in there specifically to get people to go to cantinas. Moving the healing of BF into the field makes no sense...you may as well just get rid of it at that point altogether, since that defeats the whole purpose of it being in the game in the first place.
ugh. they should call this the tip nazi forum.
when do people go into the cantina? when they clone and after a pvp fight. you really think people are going to say "**edit** i'm right next to the cantina, with 150 bf, but screw it... i'll just go outside and find a master ranger camp and get my bf taken care of there."how many people do you see come into the cantina with no wounds but 200 bf? this feature may take a few dancers out of cantinas, big freaking deal, the ones it lures out are going to be the ones that hate the stupid cantinas and don't care about hanging out at disco theed.
This "feature" isn't just going to take dancers out of the cantina, it's going to take EVERYONE out of the cantina, unless it's very limited, i.e. only a master ranger can create and use the camp to allow it, as someone suggested up there.
- J
it's about tips because that is the only reason dancers want people in the cantinas. everything about getting rid of afkers, not having mind healing go to another class, and bf healing in camps is all about empowering people who want to stay in the cantinas and be tip nazi divas.
if it was about roleplaying and putting on a fine show more dancers would form bands/troups, and put on shows at theaters all the time, but that is rare and sure nobody would go to them anyway, but who's fault is that? afk entertainers? ranger camps? i don't think so. it's the fault of the class for not having anything useful to give in exchange for performances like these... and it's our fault for not requesting it. the buff changes are a start though... things will improve a bit once that hits live.
meeuki wrote:
it's about tips because that is the only reason dancers want people in the cantinas. everything about getting rid of afkers, not having mind healing go to another class, and bf healing in camps is all about empowering people who want to stay in the cantinas and be tip nazi divas.
Careful where you point that broad brush, Meeuki, it doesn't fit all of us
Frankly, I think there are two reasons cantinas are popular: For entertainers, it's where we can find the largest groups when we're trying to gain skills. And groups = more xp. For players, it's where they can find entertainers to heal their BF and mind wounds quickly. Tips may seem like a major issue because some vocal folks have yelled about it, but personally I have never had any problems making money as a Dancer. Not once.
if it was about roleplaying and putting on a fine show more dancers would form bands/troups, and put on shows at theaters all the time, but that is rare and sure nobody would go to them anyway, but who's fault is that? afk entertainers? ranger camps? i don't think so.
Most dancers don't seek out organized bands/troupes until they've reached Master - for the main reason that they know they won't get nearly the same XP just doing gigs. I've held several private gigs myself and am now a member of a regular band, and I am surrounded by Master entertainers who have followed the same path as myself. It's not as "rare" as you assert.
it's the fault of the class for not having anything useful to give in exchange for performances like these... and it's our fault for not requesting it. the buff changes are a start though... things will improve a bit once that hits live.
But we HAVE requested it. See Ravenmist's sticky thread at the top of this board on our #1 issue. See her follow-ups on the changes on Test. We're not getting everything we wanted right off, but I'm confident that if we keep up the pressure it will come. 200% buffs are super, but for us to really be more viable and respected as a class, they MUST be targeted. That puts the power back in our own hands, and we can then put the Great Tip Myth to bed along with most of the AFKers.
meeuki wrote:it's about tips because that is the only reason dancers want people in the cantinas....
Speaking purely for myself, I couldn't give a monkey's whether people in the cantinas tip me or not. I'd rather be acknowledged, thanked and respected than paid, since I've already got everything I need.
I like the cantinas to be populated simply because that makes them fun places to be, and good places to meet new friends.
meeuki wrote:it's about tips because that is the only reason dancers want people in the cantinas. everything about getting rid of afkers, not having mind healing go to another class, and bf healing in camps is all about empowering people who want to stay in the cantinas and be tip nazi divas.
if it was about roleplaying and putting on a fine show more dancers would form bands/troups, and put on shows at theaters all the time, but that is rare and sure nobody would go to them anyway, but who's fault is that? afk entertainers? ranger camps? i don't think so. it's the fault of the class for not having anything useful to give in exchange for performances like these... and it's our fault for not requesting it. the buff changes are a start though... things will improve a bit once that hits live.
If tips were the ultimate reason for everything, I'd have quit a long time ago. Tips are nice, they show appreciation, but ultimately I enjoy performing and that brings its own reward. I do travel with a small coordinated group and we have played the various venues, but what we really enjoy is playing for a live audience, not an empty room.
I find your generalization that every entertainer is in the business to be a money grubbing tip hungry "nazi diva" as incredibly insulting. Apparently you're one of those who have little respect for our profession and would rather see us disappear. As such, your opinions on moving BF healing out of the cantinas is perfectly understandable. Fortunately for us all, the developers apparently have a bit more insight and vision than you do.
- J
I understand the reluctance some entertainers have to the idea of healing BF in camps, but I think there are some pluses, too. There has been a lot of talk about how to make entertainers more valuable to the playersand how to make live players more valuable than AFKers. This does both- a dancer in the field is more convenient than going back to town (where there may not even be a dancer), and it's hard to take an AFK person anywhere. This idea gives entertainers control over who they dance/play for and how much they get paid for it.
There will still be lots of reasons for entertainers, and patrons, to visit cantinas. Entertainers will still get better experience in a big group in the cantina with more access to patrons. The patrons will still heal faster if they are in a cantina (assuming there are moreentertainers in the cantina than they'dhire to go with them).
I have no problem putting limits on this skill. Make it depend on the level of the camp. Make the healing speed slower in camps. Make theaction cost higher in camps. I don't know how to level the playing field to please everyone. Probably, it can't be done.
When I created my character, I had the idea ofmaking a camp follower. She'd be an entertainer and medic who went into the field with groups to heal all that ailed them. When I found out that I can't do that, I changed my template (I don't care for staying in the cantina all the time). I still entertain, but only if there's no live dancer around to help.
I do not think that this change will spell the end of the entertainmentprofession, if it is implemented properly and with due consideration to the people who choose to stay in the cantinas.