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if dancers and musicains want more tips please take the time to develop some kind of routeens and not just randomly place yourself in the cantina ..

People would gladly tip entertainers that are preforming but I and many other people agree that entertainers randomly placed inside of a cantina are not trying hard enough to entertain. I for one tip for alot but I only tip people that are preforming something that took them at least 5 seconds to set up and prepare for..

if they just ran in the cantina randomly stoped next to table 3 and hit there macro its not worth anything to me there are 50 others doing the same things.. But some entertainers like to get withen in the stage areas and run dances in unison and some play music in a Duet . Thats worth a tip.

Now if you are a entertainers just randomly placing yourself in the cantina and not even trrying to Entertain why should you be tiped? The ability to Dance and Play music is just half of the battle you need to set yourself apart and do something worth paying atension to if you really want a tip because you will never get a tip from me or many others unless do something well entertaining.

My job is as a healer, not an entertainer. If you want to have your mind wounds and your battle fatigue taken care of, then see me, because that's what I do. If you want to be entertained, then rent "Chicago." Do you ask doctors to sing a little song when they use stimpacks on you?

I enjoy dancing with other master dancers and doing /bandflos with them because it looks fantastic. If I were to advertise a show in a theatre, then I would coordinate with other dancers and musicians. If you're coming to the cantina to be healed, then don't expect a 5-star production (although I've participated in spontaneous group synchronized dancing in the cantinas).

I do just fine on tips, because SOME people recognize that I am a healer performing my job. I hope when you say that you don't tip dancers who aren't doing what you think they should, you are just going to watch a show and not going to be healed. Because the dancers are generally doing exactly what they SHOULD be doing. They're healing you.

While I agree in spirit with you, have you ever tried to coordinate anything of any real complexity in the standard venues? Let's see..

1. The Cantina -- This is where everyone congregates. It should be the social hub of the town (and often is). Is it set up for a good performance? No... There are chairs and tables in the way... the floor is too small for any but maybe 2 dancers and a musician to be comfortable... and if someone brings out a Nalargon, it's too small even for that. Ever try to do something like the Formal dance in a cantina? Every minute or so you have to stop and move, or you end up dancing on someone else or inside of a table. The cantinas need a stage if you want to see some coordination. Certainly none that I have seen so far have one that is suitable.

2. The hotel -- OK, this has a stage, but it is too small. It can accomodate a few musicians, or perhaps 1 musician and 1 dancer, but only if the dancer does the more "motionless" dances, like popular or poplock. I tried doing Lyrical on it Staurday and fell off the stage on the 3rd flourish. So this doesn't work for coordinated stuff either. A second issue (less relevant to this topic but still there) is that "registerWithLocation" does not seem to work in a hotel. So you can't let people know you are there performing on the world map (like you can in a cantina).

3. Theater -- Ah, here we have a stage. But there's a problem: you can't heal BF in the theater. So while the theater works for the occasional "show" such as a play or a musical, it does NOT work for healing and putting on a real performance, because you can't heal. (I thought you could, but I danced with 2 friends for 2 hours this weekend in a theater on Rori; I went in with 6 BF, and I walked out with 6 BF, which I then healed in 15 seconds in the hotel.) So that doesn't work either.

What other venues are there, other than maybe guild halls? While these might work, ultimately the problem right now is that the venues are not set up right to get the kind of coordinated performances that you want. You can coordinate maybe 2 dancers and 2 musicians reasonably well in a cantina or hotel... More than that and you can just forget it, because there is no room. Until the venues are improved, I wouldn't expect to see real shows...

There is also another issue, which is that while you may be looking for "real entertainment" (which I applaud), you must believe me when I say that most of the "customers" with whom I interact just want a quick heal and then to go back to "playing the real game" -- which is whatever their own profession does (hunting, crafting, scouting, surveying, whatever). They often just don't even respond when you talk with them and if I were doing unflourished basic instead of Lyrical or Popular with nice flourishes and perfectly timed lighting effects, they wouldn't even notice. Now, that's not everyone, but it's more than half of everyone, and so you have to realize that there isn't a lot of reward out there for people who want to do coordinated shows (other than whatever satisfaction they get themselves). While that may not matter too much to me and a few other good entertainers, the majority of players do what they are rewarded to do -- and at this point, that's "fast heals".

Now, IF a lot of people were to tip for real performing, you might see a change... but probably not until then.

C

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NotYourAvgEwok wrote:

My job is as a healer, not an entertainer. If you want to have your mind wounds and your battle fatigue taken care of, then see me, because that's what I do. If you want to be entertained, then rent "Chicago

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Oh, really? Then you're at odds with the majority of the Entertainment profession (note the name). Healing gives us something tangible, of importance in the game. But Entertainment is our first and most important function as a class -- otherwise we may as well all be medics.

I have to say that since reaching Master and semi-retiring from public cantinas, about ALL I do anymore is entertain - at parties, weddings, grand openings, vendor promotions. If people get some healing off me in the process, cool, but that is not my primary purpose as a dancer any more, unless I'm in a hunting group and dance for my friends in camp.

I'm at odds with most of the people in the entertainment profession? Really? Because most of the entertainers I see are healing people, not performing in theatres or shows.

On Kettemoor I mostly see entertainers trying to be entertaining. And if they are healing they are talking about wanting to be more entertaining. That said everyone active and present generally likes to heal and help appreciative people, but on my server, most entertainers are drifting toward social venues, not medical ones.

People that tip already do so. The people that don't tip will never tip youno matter what you do.

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NotYourAvgEwok wrote:

My job is as a healer, not an entertainer. If you want to have your mind wounds and your battle fatigue taken care of, then see me, because that's what I do. If you want to be entertained, then rent "Chicago." Do you ask doctors to sing a little song when they use stimpacks on you?

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It's this kind of attitude that encourages the cantinas to be as boring as they are now.

While I commend you for wanting to heal others (I enjoy healing them as well), there are plenty of people who view their roles as entertainers. Some people will tip just for being healed; some will tip for being entertained. The entertainers will receive more tips than healers because they are being tipped by both types of people.

So, it is quite reasonable to suggest that Dancers make better tips by being more entertaining. They're going to be tipped for healing people anyway. They're going to be tipped more by being engaging and interesting to watch.

i don't get tipped often and I think it is because when I do formal dance i set myself kind of outside the big group because I don't want to step on someone or get in there way when i dance.

Few bits.

Look at how much a dancer moves while performing.

Also look at how much they 'drift' from their starting location before complaining about the random placement.

Not all the performers, especially the new ones, can "play up" with the Masters or the more experienced dancers. Which is one of the reasons we always hear Star Wars 1 in the cantinas.

To flip it around.

If you're trying to be a marksman/combat type, you need to do more than randomly standing around a lair shooting at it to get your mission reward. The ability to follow a waypoint, target a mob, and fire a gun is only half the battle.

Roll up an entertainer on a server (try to start on theed or coronet for best results of a crowded cantina), and see how well you yourself are able to do what you ask. And I only really suggest that because it's difficult to convey just how difficult some of those ideas are to implement.

Tandava, I am on your server, and as I said, most of the Entertainers that I see are healing people, not doing shows. My guess is that you run mostly with roleplayers.

However, most people don't go to player-owned "cantinas" but to the regular old city cantinas. They don't go there looking for some big production (and having been part of a couple big productions in regular cantinas, I can tell you that the majority of players don't really care, and they won't tip you for having a chorus line of Twi'leks backed up by a couple of fat dancing wookies). They want to be healed.

There's certainly nothing wrong with putting on a show, or coordinating with other dancers. In fact, if it's just one or two others, it often can look very nice, depending on the dance you do. I smile and acknowledge customers that come in, and I get tipped very well, on the average.

So Rebl, if you want tostiffme because I'm "only" healing, then be my guest. If you want to see a show, go to the Theatre, where no doubt the millions of Entertainers who want to entertain are all hanging out.

You can heal battle fatigue in atheater, hotel or cantina. The first two venues are just underused. I have healed battle fatigue in all three of these places.

Elnora Dagger - Master Dancer, ID,Surveyor - Moenia, Naboo - Radiant

You can NOT heal BF in the theaters. Unless something was bugged just with my particular instance, I danced for 2 hours in a theater with 2 friends on Rori Saturday night and at the end I had the same 6 BF I started with. I then went into the hotel and danced for 15 seconds and it went away. Maybe you're supposed to be able to heal in theaters, but at the moment, you can't.

C