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Thread: Would be nice to buff in the starports too
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Jaade
Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:38 am
#1
just my opinion 
lots of the ents on flurry get together and perform in the starports, and we are always asked for buffs
but we have to tell everyone "sorry cant buff out here, can only entertain for the fun of it" (and it is FUN)
would just be nice to be able to have FUN and BUFFS available in a larger variety of places 
so much more space at the starports too ....
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Panthu
Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:56 am
#2
I agree. The only thing I don't like about starport jams is that we can't help people while we are having fun and looking pretty. 
BongoINC
Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:55 am
#3
I would like to be able to buff whenever or wherever I pull out my droid.
It would give my droid a purpose and would justify my having paid 40k for it.
It would give my droid a purpose and would justify my having paid 40k for it.
Maryja
Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:05 am
#4
BongoINC wrote:
I would like to be able to buff whenever or wherever I pull out my droid.
I'm sorry, maybe I'm just overtired, but that just sounds nasty... lol
Okay, getting my mind out of the gutter for a second...
I find I often dance while waiting for shuttles... after all it gives me something to do while I wait and earns a few dancing XP. Being able to buff/heal while doing so would be a plus, but I can certainly continue to live without it.
leekoehler
Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:14 am
#5
right, yeah. So the buff bots can park themselves inside Coronet startport and no live entertainer would ever see another customer again.
/grumpy
/grumpy
Panthu
Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:43 am
#6
leekoehler wrote:
right, yeah. So the buff bots can park themselves inside Coronet startport and no live entertainer would ever see another customer again.
/grumpy
Let's not let Buff Bots keep us from asking for something that would enhance ourLive gameplay. The Bots are supposedly on the way out now that the Devs have decided they don't like them.
A far greater concern will be how we Live Ents can compete with any form of notLive Ent healing, whether it comes in the current form of Buff Bots or future not live "solutions" to the "lack of Entertainers" like Cantina NPCs that heal or other such not Live and active Ent Player Involved "solutions" that have been proposed.
I believe thatwe will be able to have more Live Play options with some active duty options and greatly enhanced control over our Dancing with new DanceTools such as those on our Performance Enhancement list and shorter Animations like kicks, turns, andleaps that could be worked into a variety of Dance routines for a unique look every time. 
Besides, this would clear up the Cantina floors for real shows again...
Drygo
Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:00 am
#7
I'll be honest with you, I'm not a big fan of being able to buff any place, any time. I think the places we can buff are already adequate. Cantinas, hotels, etc...as well as out in the field, we can buff in any camp so long is there is just one novice scout in the group. So, basically, we can buff, or are a mere 2 minutes away from where we can buff at any given time. That's fine with me.
Starport buffing? Egads, the horror. I was commenting just the other day, after a trip to Coronet, how most of the doctor's now don't even buff outside the starport anymore. They're all *inside.* And, if you think the spam inside the Cantina is insidious, can you imagine what it would be like in the starport if we added our spam to that? The other problem I see here is that, just like the doctor's have now moved into the starport proper, we are going to see entertainers do the exact same thing. I envision a day when going into a Cantina in order to sell buffs is no longer possible because everyone will get their buffs at the starport. For all the paranoia people express about holovideos taking away from the Cantina, the ability to buff in the starport would be ten times worse for the Cantina.
Reachwind
Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:00 am
#8
Here's what they should do then....
Make the starport a med center, cantina, bank , baazar, ID tent, every type of trainer and put both faction recruiters in there. Then they take out all planets except two. One they call high lvl NPC world and the other Newb lvl NPC world. Oh and while we are at it they could also remove the entire skill level process and put in Test Center like skill terminals so we can pick and choose templates on the spot. Also we should have a command like in starcraft where we type "show me the money" and we get 100,000 credits at a time.
picklesSW
Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:08 am
#9
It's quite sad. This is a great idea. Performing at the starports and having it actually benefit the people watching. But then we have to stop and think "Ok, but now let's think how the self-centered me-generation immediate-gratification player base will use that", take it to the extreme, and realize that, while the idea has merit, the player base in general sucks and will ruin it.
Sadly, the people who have responded have it correct. While I would love to be able to buff and heal in the starport, take a look at what doctors have become. I don't want to wake up in a world where all the grinding ents have moved to the starport and no one enters the cantinas again.
Sadly, the people who have responded have it correct. While I would love to be able to buff and heal in the starport, take a look at what doctors have become. I don't want to wake up in a world where all the grinding ents have moved to the starport and no one enters the cantinas again.
Panthu
Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:20 am
#10
Ok SmartyPantsDancer 1 and 2, those are valid concerns and not ruled by the fear of Buff Bots. 
*shrug* They are still some what caught up with what other players are doing with their account which I never like to see influencing what we're asking to have, but, eh, whatever.
*shrug* They are still some what caught up with what other players are doing with their account which I never like to see influencing what we're asking to have, but, eh, whatever.I'm not sure what to do to get us out of this cycle of "other players don't like how inconvenient we are so they make arrangements to skip us" then "we hate the arrangements they've made to skip us so we don't do our jobs at all anymore." bleh
We need a way to make money. We need a way to interact with other players. We need a way to be able to do these things while RPing a Dancer. We need further Dance Tools so we can have a creative outlet and share this experience with other players in the hope that we will be able to "Entertain" as our base Prof name implies.
I think we could still meet those requirements with anytime/anywhere or extended area Ent Healing. I also think we could do it with Area Heals and Buffs as long as we were given other ways to make money as well.
Besides all of that, I find myself even more open minded than before (which was already pretty open) now that the possibility of NPC Dancers in the non-Player Cantinas that we would see no benefit from is lurking in the background.
leekoehler
Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:20 am
#11
/agree I think it would be cool. I've danced for fun outside startports - they even have mics set up! Dance Party! However, my /grumpy stands. I wouldn't want this implemented because of bots.
Drygo
Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:16 am
#12
Panthu wrote:
Ok SmartyPantsDancer 1 and 2, those are valid concerns and not ruled by the fear of Buff Bots.
But you have to take things like this into consideration. I'd be willing to bet my lekku that if people could buff and heal in starports that everyone would go there. Seriously. Cantina dancing, healing, and buffing would no longer exist. All you need to do to see that is go into half the Cantinas that already have 95% of the entertainers in the front room and nobody on the main floor. That's as close as they can get to the starport right now, hehe. And, we just have to keep the behavior of the playerbase in mind before agreeing to something. If it happens, I probably won't be all pissed off about it or anything. But, geez, I just *know* it's going to be bad, bad, bad. The starports are going to be even laggier and spammier than they already are. The cantinas will be empty. I am kind of sad that I never have any reason to go to a med center anymore.
I'm not sure what to do to get us out of this cycle of "other players don't like how inconvenient we are so they make arrangements to skip us" then "we hate the arrangements they've made to skip us so we don't do our jobs at all anymore." bleh
We need a way to make money. We need a way to interact with other players. We need a way to be able to do these things while RPing a Dancer. We need further Dance Tools so we can have a creative outlet and share this experience with other players in the hope that we will be able to "Entertain" as our base Prof name implies.
I think we could still meet those requirements with anytime/anywhere or extended area Ent Healing. I also think we could do it with Area Heals and Buffs as long as we were given other ways to make money as well.
I agree, I'm open to a lot of possibilities I think. I like the camps idea for BF, I like the holovideos idea because that's money directly in *our* pockets as opposed to NPC, and would free up time for us to entertain and do other things. And, as I said in many posts before, if they took buffs away from us but gave us another way that allowed us to make money I'd be okay with that too. The point is, as you say, we need a way to make money. I agree. But, what I'm not "buying," I guess, is that our lack of locations to buff is in any way part of the problem. That, coupled with the fact, that the starports are already a colossal mess make me not to keen on the idea. That, and I want people to actually be in the Cantinas. At least with the holovideos idea, we still have incentives for up and coming entertainers to go to the Cantinas. If we can buff and heal in the starports, that's where people will be, I have no doubt in my mind about it.We need to find a happy medium that both makes people happy, but doesn't take away from the Cantinas.
Besides all of that, I find myself even more open minded than before (which was already pretty open) now that the possibility of NPC Dancers in the non-Player Cantinas that we would see no benefit from is lurking in the background.
You keep alluding to NPC dancers, and you're making me worried.
I think I agree with you fundamentally that any and all healing, buffing, xp, credits, etc. should go to a *real* player, no matter what the scenario is. And, I have definitely posted about how I think many entertainers are not exactly looking at the big picture and are being *far* too stringent in their viewpoints, and unwilling to make some compromises for the combat folks. I think we should really try to be coming up with more ideas that will benefit us directly, instead of being stringent and seeing these NPC's come about as the solution.
PS Part of the reason I like performing in starports and other places where we can't buff is because there's no pressure to do anything else. If I'm in the middle of a starport performance, I wouldn't like to be asked to stop what I'm doing so I could buff people.
Message Edited by Drygo on 08-23-2004 11:04 AM
Warryyr
Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:29 pm
#13
DanceRulez wrote:
Ummm, but you can buff in the starports. I've done it, although it was admittedly random and inconsistent.
SWEET!
I am trying this tonight, YEAH!
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