Dancer Archive
Thread: returning to swg....maybe
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Sarita
Sun Jul 04, 2004 1:15 am
#1
I quit playing about 8 months ago 'cause it just got so boring. I was a master dancer mostly, but had quite a few other skills, too.
I've been thinking of coming back......
1. is there hope for the entertainer profession? is it fun at all anymore?
2. are the afker's still making a huge nuisance of themselves?
3. is getting exp any different than it was before? especially entertainer exp....
4. what's the deal with afk buffers?
Chronos400
Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:34 am
#2
I honestly wouldn't waste your time Sarita, especially if you planon coming back as an entertainer,this game is going down the toilet fast 
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. 1) At the moment the entertainer profession is all but dead (imo), and apart from parties I rarely even see another atk entertainer these days. No I wouldn't call entertainer fun any more, and with the buffbots everywhere and people having gotten used to not tipping the zombies there's no real way of making money from the professioneither.
2) Yup afker's are still around, not as prolific perhaps, but now instead of having an equal number of afker's and atk's you'll just walk into acantina and it will have half as many afker's and no atk's (because who wants to hang around in a boring cantina full of afk people). The spamming has also reached ridiculous levels.
3) I'm pretty sure entertainer xp is still the same.
4) Afk buffers are occasionally people running buffing macro's while they're afk and not knowing how much it hurts the entertainer community, but more often they are placed there by a guild (or someone who wants to make tips on the side with an alt) with full knowledge of (and disregard of) what their doing, and they buff constantly - taking away legitimate business from real entertainers and giving us yet another reason not to be in the cantina's.
I seriously wouldn't bother returning to this game. 6 months ago I was excited about this game, but I've watched it go consistently downhill and am nowjust killing timeuntil EQ2 comes out.
picklesSW
Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:34 am
#3
1 - Yes, there is hope. Yes, it can be fun if you don't get caught up in the politics and just try to have a good time. If you want to hang out in the popular cantinas and make cash, you'll be disappointed as they are still overrun. There's plenty of fun times to be had OUTSIDE those cantinas, so it depends on your playstyle. The devs still do not communicate much with us, but they ARE adding missions that apparently grant new dances and songs and there is a content upgrade for us in the works for post JTL.
2 - Yup, the AFKers are still there, but two new things are helping a bit with it. One is the toggle to turn off spacial spam from AFKers. This works well, assuming they haven't tried to circumvent it by turning off auto-AFK, in which case /addignore is needed. Second, hologrinding is about to officially end. Many have already stopped, but with the next publish there will be no purpose in hologrinding.
3 - Getting exp is the same.
4 - AFK buffers are folks that have incorporated the ability to buff into their macros. A lot of combat folks like to patronize these folks because they're easy, they're there 24x7, and there's no need to tip well or to socialize. It does mean less profits for ATK entertainers, which is a shame, but in general the type of person to use a buffbot wasn't likely to be a very good patron anyway. A lot of people look for an ATK person and then resign themselves to the bot as a last resort.
Hope this helped!
2 - Yup, the AFKers are still there, but two new things are helping a bit with it. One is the toggle to turn off spacial spam from AFKers. This works well, assuming they haven't tried to circumvent it by turning off auto-AFK, in which case /addignore is needed. Second, hologrinding is about to officially end. Many have already stopped, but with the next publish there will be no purpose in hologrinding.
3 - Getting exp is the same.
4 - AFK buffers are folks that have incorporated the ability to buff into their macros. A lot of combat folks like to patronize these folks because they're easy, they're there 24x7, and there's no need to tip well or to socialize. It does mean less profits for ATK entertainers, which is a shame, but in general the type of person to use a buffbot wasn't likely to be a very good patron anyway. A lot of people look for an ATK person and then resign themselves to the bot as a last resort.
Hope this helped!
Reachwind
Sun Jul 04, 2004 7:06 am
#4
** Edited for accuracy **
picklesSW wrote:
1 -YesMaybe, there is hope.YesOccasionally, it can be fun if you don't get caught up in the politics and just try to have a good time. If you want to hang out in the popular cantinasandor make cash, you'll be disappointed as they are still overrun. There's plenty of fun times to be had OUTSIDE those cantinas, so it depends on your playstyle. The devs still do not communicatemuchat all with us, but theyAREmight be adding missions that apparently grant new dances and songs and there is a content upgrade (so we have been told)for us in the works for post JTL.
2 - Yup, the AFKers are still there, but two new thingsarestill don't help a bit with it. One is the toggle to turn off spacial spam from AFKers. This works well, assuming they haven't tried to circumvent it by turning off auto-AFK, in which case /addignore is needed. Also people have taken to placing AFK clap bots to help with xp gain.Second, hologrinding is about to officially end. Many have already stopped, but with the next publish there will be no purpose in hologrinding.
3 - Getting exp is the same.
4 - AFK buffers are folks that have incorporated the ability to buff into their macros.A lot ofMost combat folks like to patronize these folks because they're easy, they're there 24x7, and there's no need to tipwellor to socialize. It does meanlessno profits for ATK entertainers, which is a shame, but in general the type of person to use a buffbot wasn't likely to be a very good patron anyway.A lot ofTwo people look for an ATK person and then resign themselves to the bot as a last resort.
Hope this helped!
Soulburner69
Sun Jul 04, 2004 7:34 am
#5
i've been playing when time allows me to, and i've pretty much quit playing my swordsman on wanderhome as i am beginning to find combat boring and repetive in this game, and i dont pvp very often... and thus i have been playing my dancer as much as possible, and have found it still alot of fun.
but anyhow...
1. there is hope, it's just a faint light right now, but there is some, and i would say it's alot of fun, even though the one person said that tips dont flow is wrong, but dancing in bestine for three days i made 40k, it's not what it used to be, but they are still coming in.
2. afk'ers are still arround, but in the next patch they should be gone, except for the occasional grinder, to make a buff bot, or to just get master and play atk... which i hope isnt that many 
. and there is also the afk ignore thing that you can turn on in the options menu.
. and there is also the afk ignore thing that you can turn on in the options menu.3. exp is the same as always, except for id, it has a nice new menu and a few nice things, but the time it takes is quite long, for the people that are going for master entertainer to add with the other entertainer professions, or like myself that dedicate all their skill points towards entertaining 
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.4. it's been mentioned above, and i dont want to get into saying things about the buff bots. 
picklesSW
Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:51 am
#6
Reachwind, everything that I post is my opinion, and as such, is accurate as what it is. You don't have to agree with me, and you're welcome to post your own opinion, but 'editing' my words and treating your edits as a correction insults me. Maybe you did it for humor, in which case you should mark it as such.
Panthu
Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:00 am
#7
picklesSW wrote:
Reachwind, everything that I post is my opinion, and as such, is accurate as what it is. You don't have to agree with me, and you're welcome to post your own opinion, but 'editing' my words and treating your edits as a correction insults me. Maybe you did it for humor, in which case you should mark it as such.
Javier, "fixing" posts is allowed and is pretty normal practice in all of the non-Ent forums. Because you are a very influential member of our community, I always have a hard time not directly addressing your posts as well... especially when you imply that making money, healing, or buffing should not be something we should really worry about.
Of course... it is my concern over these things that has led me to be the Prof Correspondent and it is your lack of concern for these things that has brought you back to us in your full party boy glory. 
I'm glad you are helping us all have fun... the return of the CCs has seemed like a blessing. Just don't give those of us who are "into politics" such a hard time... we are already stressed out enough.
picklesSW
Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:06 am
#8
"Javier, "fixing" posts is allowed and is pretty normal practice in all of the non-Ent forums. Because you are a very influential member of our community, I always have a hard time not directly addressing your posts as well... especially when you imply that making money, healing, or buffing should not be something we should really worry about."
I did not say that healing, buffing or making money was not a concern to entertainers. Nor did I intend to paint an extremely rosy picture there. We have plenty of problems. Our profession is definitely hurting. We also have hope, and that's what I tried to represent.
In any event, I have NO problem with people responding to my posts and disagreeing with me. I do take offense to people putting words in my mouth and then claiming the re-written post was 'edited for accuracy', as if my opinion is completely wrong. Don't do it. I've a right to my opinion, you've a right to yours. I don't care what they do on other forums, I expect to be treated decently on the forum I call home.
I did not say that healing, buffing or making money was not a concern to entertainers. Nor did I intend to paint an extremely rosy picture there. We have plenty of problems. Our profession is definitely hurting. We also have hope, and that's what I tried to represent.
In any event, I have NO problem with people responding to my posts and disagreeing with me. I do take offense to people putting words in my mouth and then claiming the re-written post was 'edited for accuracy', as if my opinion is completely wrong. Don't do it. I've a right to my opinion, you've a right to yours. I don't care what they do on other forums, I expect to be treated decently on the forum I call home.
picklesSW
Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:10 am
#9
For the record, by 'politics' I don't mean waging war against the devs. God knows, I speak out enough as well. The politics I'm referring to are the politics between players, which can be very trying at times, expecially for entertainers. There is no way you'll ever convince most of the powergamers and PVPers that our style of play is anywhere as important as theirs. There are, however, plenty of people who DO appreciate entertainers, and they make it worth it to me.
Sorry about the confusion.
Sorry about the confusion.
Message Edited by picklesSW on 07-04-2004 12:13 PM
AnakinSWG
Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:20 am
#10
/target Panthu
/hug
/pet
/comfort
I have to agree with Javy on the point that there's still hope, and feel that, with a little work, the Entertaining professions may one day be returned fully to theglory they once knew.
That day is not tomorrow, as made obvious by recent delays in the release of Entertainer-based content. It appears to be on the horizon. I think that if wekeep the wind at our backs, we'll see the days of silent devs left dead astern. Grab the halyards and hoist the sails. We'llcatch some recognition if our ship continues at the speed it's been moving lately.
I personally am waiting on some information (hell, anyinformation) before I renew my account. But there is still plenty out there for an entertainer to do. You simply have to build your own game and react to the changes (as they'll surpriseyou around every corner).
Panthu
Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:23 am
#11
picklesSW wrote:
For the record, by 'politics' I don't mean waging war against the devs. God knows, I speak out enough as well. The politics I'm referring to are the politics between players, which can be very trying at times, expecially for entertainers. There is no way you'll ever convince most of the powergamers and PVPers that our style of play is anywhere as important as theirs. There are, however, plenty of people who DO appreciate entertainers, and they make it worth it to me.
Sorry about the confusion.
Message Edited by picklesSW on 07-04-2004 12:13 PM
I think our functional elements are important to the Combat players... after all, that is our one tie to the game at large. Our purely RP aspects are our own arena and left to each individual Dancer just like that is the case for the Combat types. However, that's neither here nor there and is really only my own opinion as well. I believe we will just always have a higher concern over these RP elements because of what and who we are. *shrug*
Anyway, you can ask people not to edit your posts... but it is not actually against forum policy, goading though it may seem. That's all I meant to make clear.
Panthu
Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:25 am
#12
Thank you!
AnakinSWG wrote:
/target Panthu
/hug
/pet
/comfort
I stay hopeful as well.
picklesSW
Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:38 am
#13
"Anyway, you can ask people not to edit your posts... but it is not actually against forum policy, goading though it may seem."
I understand, but all I did was ask him/her to stop because I find it insulting. Are you concerned that I'm reporting Reachwind or something? I did not. They don't have to stop, of course, but I don't think a bit of respect between each other here is too much to ask.
I understand, but all I did was ask him/her to stop because I find it insulting. Are you concerned that I'm reporting Reachwind or something? I did not. They don't have to stop, of course, but I don't think a bit of respect between each other here is too much to ask.
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