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Thread: An idea for a change to the entertainer professions.

Panthu
Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:59 am
#1

There are a lot of uswho are open to a reduction or doing a non-combat skill pool or something. There are others who are dead against it too.


You can read most of the views fromeither stance here in this thread.




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psycocat
Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:17 am
#2


oh, thanks Panthu. I must have missed seeing that thread last night. (was too tired. )


and for that other guy who posted first....what is wrong with you? I'm making a serious post and did not resort to childishness nor rude comments. I'm trying to make a thought provoking post not a vulgar and inflammatory one.


Like our mothers always say: "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."



Shala-renn Xibotepotl. MCH/MFencer/Dancer. Bria.
Zigie. Musician. Ahazi.
Yhissh. (Slave Trader) Businessman/BH/Rifle. Bria. [Alt]

"Time for our own benchmark. The entertainment we offer."
-Rabenschwinge
psycocat
Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:02 pm
#3

I know this might sound insulting to some, but I've been thinking hard about this. Mant combat oriented people say we are useless. The developers are finding it hard to give us things to do. Money has always been a problem. and those who want to do combat and dance (like me) can't very well do both and feel like they are performing both well.


Why not lower to skill costs of the professions? Make each box cost only one skill point. That would free up a lot of space and possibly let dedicated entertainers moonlight as fighters or other support classes. I'm not sure it is a good idea to do this, but it would be batter than getting rid of the points all together. I don't want to see everyone with Master Dancer over his/her head just so they can buff themselves. If pure entertainers had another way of getting creds, at least some whinning would stop. I think. Maybe not, but we could do more.


I'd love it if master dancer or even more of dancer was available to me as a CH/Fencer. I loveexploring and holding my ownevery now and then and I love dancing. I just want more dances available to me and props too (dual swords! sqee!).I'll just continue juggling professions as I have in the mean time while Dancer gets worked on.



Shala-renn Xibotepotl. MCH/MFencer/Dancer. Bria.
Zigie. Musician. Ahazi.
Yhissh. (Slave Trader) Businessman/BH/Rifle. Bria. [Alt]

"Time for our own benchmark. The entertainment we offer."
-Rabenschwinge
Navih
Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:09 pm
#4

Well then in my opinion i believe that your original post was self centered and made only in self interest without any thought or consideration to a majority of the dancer community.



Have a nice day HUN.

Cuit
Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:18 am
#5






Navih wrote:

Well then in my opinion i believe that your original post was self centered and made only in self interest without any thought or consideration to a majority of the dancer community.



Have a nice day HUN.







perhaps the way it was writtne it could be viewed as self centered . . . but it can't be argued that a reduction in the SP required would . . . .


a) allow other professions to expience the joy of being an entertiner which they could not due to the not wishing to adversly affect their current template ( in their minds)


b) allow entertainers to experience more game content which seems more geared toward combat as the current content for entertainers is less than adaquite.


Reducing the SP cost could infact benefit a great deal of players regardless of their current professions which IMO is far from self-centered. wording might be bad . . . but I think the intentions are good.





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Bionic
Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:17 am
#6

For the poster opposing the thread-starter, remember: Content creation is geared towards reaching the largest audience of players. If there are more Entertainers, there will be more Entertainer content.

I would love if skill points for entertainer were reduced a tad. I'll be okay if it's not. Just don't think it's any less selfish to want to be one of the elite people who chose to forsake combat for entertainment when we could have an option where you get to have your cake and eat it too.

Also, pie.



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lekkuboogie
Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:31 pm
#7

Want to hear my 'fantasy' in regards to this sort of concept?


I wouldn't mind if dancer had a separate skill point pool, like pilot ... IF ... it were impossible to afk grind it and it were tier and quest reliant just like pilot.


I go the opposite of the masses, I have a main Dancer toon, and a combatant alt, it is sad to miss out on so much content because I want to explore without giving up the Master Dance/Music/ID/Entertainer.


I will add though, my guild is fabulous, and in RP with a group of combatants have managed to do the quests on Kashyyyk for the windchimes and even attained the Foe of the Gorax Badge, plus I'm half way through Jabba's. All this as a CL1. It takes alot of time, and the kindness of combat capable friends, but it is actually very fun and incredibly rewarding, not just for me, but for the fighters who are proud they 'were able to keep Ihala alive and successful in her quest'.


All in all though I'll say I'm content to stay as I am, with every single point rolled into entertainer and see what SOE comes up with to make us more interesting and viable.





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Panthu
Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:08 am
#8

And cookies?




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Maisland
Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:10 am
#9




Bionic wrote:

For the poster opposing the thread-starter, remember: Content creation is geared towards reaching the largest audience of players. If there are more Entertainers, there will be more Entertainer content.




I agree. I have no problem with more people being able to get Entertainer skills and don't understand the mind set of some who seem to want Entertainers to be some sort of "exclusive club" that only those most dedicated to can join. I am tired of being cut off from so much content but do not want to have give up Master Dancer to experience it.





Bionic wrote:

I would love if skill points for entertainer were reduced a tad. I'll be okay if it's not. Just don't think it's any less selfish to want to be one of the elite people who chose to forsake combat for entertainment when we could have an option where you get to have your cake and eat it too.




My preference is a seperate skill point pool for all non-combat professions. I like best the idea that has been proposed where you get 250 skill points that can be used for anything, then a seperate smaller pool that can only be used for non-combat.





Bionic wrote:

Also, pie.




...and cookies!



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I can not survive the NGE


psycocat
Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:30 am
#10


Sorry if my original post sounded self centered. That wasn't my intention. I'm more concerned that pure entertainers will find it even more difficult to earn a living than before.



... and...can I have some pie too?




Shala-renn Xibotepotl. MCH/MFencer/Dancer. Bria.
Zigie. Musician. Ahazi.
Yhissh. (Slave Trader) Businessman/BH/Rifle. Bria. [Alt]

"Time for our own benchmark. The entertainment we offer."
-Rabenschwinge
Warryyr
Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:44 am
#11

*gives 'em some pie*


Ok, I'll be ready to give up skill points once all of the work for us is said and done.


I'd rather see the Devs try to make our skill points worthwhile, rather than cutting them early and having some perception of needing to do less work, because of less skill points.


Let them give us what they've got, then if it still doesn't seem worthwhile, I'm all for doing something THEN about skill points.


Right now, I say we let the Devs show us what they thinkour skill point dedication is worth.


Sunjammer
Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:16 am
#12

If I had a nickel for every time someone suggested reducing our Skill Point cost, I could play SWG for free. I dont want to keep the full SP cost because I think we should be some kind of "exclusive club". I want to keep the full SP cost so we don't get relegated to the kind of purgatory Politicians and Pilots have suffered.

I think asking for an SP reduction IS self-centered, because it's putting your own wants ahead of what's good for the profession as a whole. If you want to experience other game content, do it on another server.


Umi
Panthu
Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:22 am
#13






Sunjammer wrote:

I think asking for an SP reduction IS self-centered, because it's putting your own wants ahead of what's good for the profession as a whole. If you want to experience other game content, do it on another server.




I don't know, we're never going to have any real numbers unless our SP cost is done differently. Most people who play this game love entertaining to some degree, but aren't willing to remove themselves from the rest of the game to the extent that Entertainer currently demands with our high SP buy in.


How many players play and care abouta prof determines Dev attention, not an in game mechanic like SP cost. That's just a player perception, it has nothing to do with the Devs' goals.




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