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Thread: Is It Just ME... Am I Special Somehow... Or Do I Just Not SEE What So Many Others Say THEY See?
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Maisland
Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:54 am
#1
I spent tonight in the Mining Outpost of Tempest. There were about a half dozen or so bots present. I started dancing Theatrical (my Tempest Dancer has not yet earned enough xp to get Theatrical 2 and... even though I plan on eventually deleting her... I figured I might as well work on getting it). I also started asking people if they would mind helping me test my "New and Improved" buff macro (I took my old buff macro and made it long enough to do a full buff in one run through). The person who eventually agreed to do so gave me a quickness buff + a nice tip in payment. Since I hate to waste a good buff, I decided to stay online with my Tempest character until it wore off.
I got the usual unsolicited invitations to group. When that happened, I would send the inviter a /tell asking them if they wanted a buff. Most of the time, they said that they did. Since they were most comfortable with getting passive buffs, I would then accept the group invitation, buff them and send them on their way.
On a couple of other occasions, I would see some poorbuffee futily asking to be invited to one of the bot groups and sent them /tells to let them know that I was available to buff them if they wanted one from me. Each of these times, my offer was accepted gladly.
I also got at least one "Is there a LIVE entertainer here that is buffing?"
Over the course of the evening, I buffed several people... and ended up with 50k in bank tips and I'm not quite sure how much in cash. I am sure I gave out more buffs than all of the dancer bots put together in the time I was there.
I finished up the leader of a solo group until it was time for me to log for the night. When I left, most of the people who were still in the solo group wished me a good night.
It would have been nice to have had a few Live Entertainers there with me, but I did well enough. What I did NOT see was a lot of people passing me by for the bots. I am SURE I got more customers than all the bots put together (at least all the dancer bots, there were also 2 music bots). So I'm wondering,is there something "special" about ME in particular thatattracts more people to want to get buffs from me or am I just blind to what so many others have said that they experienced when trying to take business away from bots?
As a side note: One two occasions, I ended up grouped with someone who was getting a buff from one of the 2 music bots there and I noticed that the bots talked more than I did! Funny how so many people say that they prefer a bot because they don't want to have to deal with a Live Entertainer's "chit chat." lol 
Yet between the bots spamming spatial and their jabbering in group, they said more duringa single buff than I usually do over the course of giving several.
Yet between the bots spamming spatial and their jabbering in group, they said more duringa single buff than I usually do over the course of giving several.
KaiaClodgah
Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:04 am
#2
I've been at MO the last few night (lag has been so badly lately, if I went hunting I probably would die) and Monday night I practically had people fighting over me. Last night not so much, but I still did fairly well in tips. On Monday night someone tipped me 50k just for being atk
I took the tip from Lytefoot (is it Elwyn? I wrote that but it didn't look right for some reason) and basically just didn't try to steal all the customers. I was there to dance for MYSELF. And if they wanted to benefit, they can go ahead and ask for a buff. Though I must admit I am a bit meaner than you are as far as passive buffs go. I ask them if they want a buff. If they say yes, I ask if it's just them. If they say yes, I tell them to let me know when they are watching, that I will direct my perforance at them and then /decline the invite. Though yesterday there was 2 people who need a buff so I accepted their invite. They had the musician bot in there as well and soon started inviting anyone who walked in. I hate getting trapped in a bot group. I finally /leavegroup'ed. They were all ???
I took the tip from Lytefoot (is it Elwyn? I wrote that but it didn't look right for some reason) and basically just didn't try to steal all the customers. I was there to dance for MYSELF. And if they wanted to benefit, they can go ahead and ask for a buff. Though I must admit I am a bit meaner than you are as far as passive buffs go. I ask them if they want a buff. If they say yes, I ask if it's just them. If they say yes, I tell them to let me know when they are watching, that I will direct my perforance at them and then /decline the invite. Though yesterday there was 2 people who need a buff so I accepted their invite. They had the musician bot in there as well and soon started inviting anyone who walked in. I hate getting trapped in a bot group. I finally /leavegroup'ed. They were all ???
Caerwynn
Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:55 am
#3
WhenI was grinding dancer, all ATK except for 40 mins in the whole 5 weeks,I went to Dant MO (Chimaera) to get that last little bit of xp. I wasn't offering buffs as I wasn't yet master and therefore not the sort of buffs they were after.
As people entered, I asked them to heal their BF with me first, then get their buffs with the bot. Many were very surprised to find an ATK dancer and were happy to heal their BF with me and have a chat to pass the time. I too got good tips for being ATK. Some also said that they would rather get their buffs from an ATK dancer, but didn't have the time in the Jedi grind to go to Theed/Bestine/Coro to find one. And I think that's the crux of the current problem, so many people are grinding for Jedi.
Coreena
Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:08 am
#4
Caerwynn wrote:
Some also said that they would rather get their buffs from an ATK dancer, but didn't have the time in the Jedi grind to go to Theed/Bestine/Coro to find one. And I think that's the crux of the current problem, so many people are grinding for Jedi.
Oh yeah right... i mean with JTL it takes at least 1 minute longer to go to Theed or anywhere else in the galaxy
Eaca
Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:30 am
#5
Depends on the server it seems. Some servers are more supportive of live entertainers, others are openly hostile.
ShakuEB
Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:34 am
#6
I love being atk with my dancer alt, such a world of difference than my grind. Of course my grind is going slow, becouse I still chat
up a storm in group there too. When I want FUN, I log in with my master D/M/E, nov ID, nov carbineer. Jedi is such a borring grind,
everyone (it seems) in my group of 15+jedi-grinders is doing it for the uber(dork) 'ness of it. What they dont understand is thegreat
fun of putting together a dance rutine that is more than /flo 1; /pause 20; /flo 2; /pause 20; ect.
Caerwynn, and any others atk entertainers out there, I think you guys are wonderfull! I have access to plenty of bots, but when I want
a break, I still head down to my local cantina. Its easy to spot new entertainers there, I keep all bots on /addignore.
I have done, between two characters on Tempest, dancer about 7 times, musician about 4. Atk the whole time
(minus lunch runs:smileytongue, or, afk in my house or a back room so as not to be embaressed by being afk. My favorite time
, or, afk in my house or a back room so as not to be embaressed by being afk. My favorite time playing, and I have been jedi for about 4 months now,is when a complete stranger drove past me while in my town and asked if I
was still a musician, from over 6 months ago during my *cough* holo-whoring days. I did dancer/musician/entertainer (even ID,
4 days straight grinding bored out of my mind) in about a week. Best Spring-Break ever! Atk. In that week, I was almost always
group leader, helping new entertainers, chatting it up with you fine folks, or showing people that there is more to us (yes, still an
ent at heart) than asking for an invite to the buff bot group.
It saddens me when nowadays entertainer groups are led by bots, damn you soe and your macros.
Sorry for the rant, just wanted to say that I love you guys and gals and I think you atk'ers are probably one of the best parts of this
game.
On a last note, one of the worst remembered quotes from some uber-dork'us was durring the great doc shortage of fall/winter'04.
Dant MO, overheard someone say that w/o buffs, this game is just one big interactive chat room. Obviously he has never seen me
get down with my Kryat enhanced mandovoil!!
Esharra
Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:41 am
#7
I love visiting Tempest. It has a small population, with what seems a higher percentage of roleplayers andhasn't the seemingly requisite 3 bots per NPC cantina that Chilastra has. I was in Theed on Tempest lastnight..no bots, only oneentertainer other than me & Scip. I actually got tipped a total of about 3k and I was dancing Footloose!Your game experience may change on a different server.
LyteFoot
Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:04 am
#8
KaiaClodgah wrote:
I took the tip from Lytefoot (is it Elwyn? I wrote that but it didn't look right for some reason) and basically just didn't try to steal all the customers.
Yes this is Elwyn I'm glad the suggestion worked for you like it did for me.
I think one thing that differentiated the experience for Maisland is she actively used tells. I've said before that many combatants don't watch spatial much because of the spam. I've had many of them talk to me in tells even when I'm talking to them in spatial, it is a habit they know and understand. You are right bots talk a lot in group chat giving instructions, time left, etc. This just underscores that many players don't even pretend to wade through all the spam in spatial outside MO so trying to reach them through that channel isn't gonna work well.
Warryyr
Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:20 am
#9
Maisland wrote:
As a side note: One two occasions, I ended up grouped with someone who was getting a buff from one of the 2 music bots there and I noticed that the bots talked more than I did! Funny how so many people say that they prefer a bot because they don't want to have to deal with a Live Entertainer's "chit chat." lol
Awhile ago, I was in a group that had a bot join. It was the most obnoxious group spam I've ever seen...like every 5 seconds the stupid bot was blathering about this or that, whatever. I sent the "player" an email, basically saying to give up the bot thing since it hurts Entertainers, and at the very least to consider cutting down on the group chat spam because it's annoying.
And the response I got was very hostile, about how people love their "service" and they find their macro helpful, or something. Mind you, there were several people in the group who were also annoyed with the spam.
I'm in agreement with you - it's amazing how hostile people get about having to "interact" with us, but they're more than happy to endure the inane spam that some bots dish out. Maybe they'd like to talk more if they didn't inundate themselves with bot spam all the time
Devil_Tiger
Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:50 am
#10
I'd have to say that the two servers I use are radically different in there treatment of entertainers. Radiant is pretty open towards live entertainers. When I was working on musician, I spent the majority of my time playing in Bestine. It was dead there and I thought I could do some goodas an entertainer to revive the cantina. Bounty hunters,pilots, rifleman, tailors, artisans, fencers, and commandos started coming in to get heals from me. People came in, engaged in conversation, and left tips. I was making decent creds every night to afford new clothes and insturments when I wanted/needed them. Everything was going well, I had brought life back to a dead city and cantina. Until a buffbot showed up and more people went to her and started bypassing me altogether. I went on tour to see the galaxy and try new venues, but what I saw disgusted me. AFK buffbots and entertainers everywhere. Eventually, I gave up music to pursue other things before deciding on becoming a pikeman/doctor.
Valcyn, on the other hand, is home to some of the worst people ever. The ATK entertainers are very very clickish and the powerlamers ignore live entertainers constantly. There is no respect for entertainers there, even when you wave a DE-10 in their face and tell them you can use it (and mean it). Nights when I decide to log in there, the total lack of respect and hate shown towards me really pisses me off. Not once has someone walked up to me, started watching me dance or listen to me play the mando, talked to me for a few minutes, tip me, and bid me a nice evening. Instead, its' all "INVITE PLZ!" or "WHO BUFFING?" shouted at entertainers, ignore entertainers who just say "Hi!", and see fit to not tip for anything. The entertainer clicks are just as bad as the powerlamers. They may invite you to the group, but don't expect them to talk to you or help you get training. I asked for training three times and then asked where the dance trainer was twice before someone responded. Valcyn, in my opinion, is one of the more openly hostile to entertainer servers I've seen or heard of.
Maisland, I'd have to think that the reason why people come to you is because you are special. It appears that by being yourself and just enjoying being a dancer is what draws people to you. My very-soon-to-be ingame wife gets a lot of requests for buffs when she performs, because she is just being herself. Some entertainers seem to have more success than others because of that. When people seek you out over a bot, you've accomplished more than you could imagine. They have been "re-educated" about entertainers and will more than likely contiue to either seek you out or another ATK entertainer. More than likely, they will tell people about you and those will start to seek you out as well.
/deepbow and respect
If only you were on Radiant,
Doriana
Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:44 am
#11
Eaca wrote:Depends on the server it seems. Some servers are more supportive of live entertainers, others are openly hostile.
Not just that but I think it also depends on who happens to be logged on when.
I can go to Dant MO on Flurry sometimes and it'll go great, just like described here. I'll leave thinking "FInally things might be changing!"
But then I go back the next day and everyone is nasty.
I think that's what ultimately wears us out about this whole situation -- the roller coaster. If it was all bad of course we would have quit by now. But that doesn't mean that we don't deserve fixes for the bad, even if we can have good days in between.
Maisland
Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:57 am
#12
Eaca wrote:
Depends on the server it seems. Some servers are more supportive of live entertainers, others are openly hostile.
But this is a TYPICAL experience for me regardless of which server I log in on... and it doesn't even seem to matter what race my current character is either. My Tempest Dancer is a Zabrak. On Bria, Scylla and Eclipse, I have Bothans, on Intrepid, I have Rodians (I used to have a Human on Intrepid and she had much the same experiences before I took my ID there to Master Dancer so I could transfer the Cantina and delete my Human... it was painful to me to have my ID drop Dancer when I got my new Rodian there to Master Dancer and could transfer the cantina to her). On Lowca, I have a Mon Calamari Musician... again, she does well every time I take her to the cantina.
I also created that temporary character on Valcyn, and while she is still just a low level Entertainer, she has had a similar experience with regards to just being there. Sorry I haven't been on with her much, Devil_Tiger, since I created her to see if I could figure out what was causing the problems you are having there and if I can help you with them. I had only logged in with my Tempest character to test that new buffing macro and hadn't planned on playing her for so many hours. I chose to test with her because I rarely play her and figured she wouldn't end up being so busy. 
But it seems that it doesn't matter WHICH of my characters I play, if I log in on an active server, I just get caught up in the pure enjoyment of performing and buffing people.
The closest I have come to the bad experiences that some of you describe are the times when I don't stick it out in a cantina... if I stay for ANY significantlength of time, I invariably end up really busy and make lots of friends with the combat people... and I can't help but wonder WHY this is so when others have such a different experience.
Devil_Tiger
Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:41 am
#13
No worries, I haven't been entertaining on Valcyn much the last two weeks. I haven't given up on it (yet), just pushing off finishing the trees I wanted to get till after I master Pistoleer and Privateer Pilot. I was on for about hour last night and just gave up trying to interact with anyone (including the ATK members of the group) and went off to perform isolated and alone in Moenia. No one goes there for anything, so I got to play music in peace for a change. I won't be on Valcyn tonight though, my wedding on Radiant is this evening (and I'm all knots and butterflies thinking about it). I hope to be on Valcynthis weekend sometime, not sure what I'm going to work on there though.
On a totally OT side note, I'm working slowly towards getting FS trees on Radiant and then on to Jedi (long story for another time, lol). I'm planning on making my second slot a pikeman/musician with either some scout or medic skills. I miss music with my Rodian pikeman and sometimes get really down about not being able to perform with the love of his life. I think I'm going to make the second slot a Rodian as well, I just like being one lol. This won't be an alt to give buffs to my main, but a fully fleshed character to enjoy doing things with my friends and guild.
Maisland, if you'd like to get together on Valcyn Friday evening or over the weekend, let me know when and where to meet you. If I'm on Radiant, shoot me a tell and I'll jump over to Valcyn ASAP (I think I sent an ingame email to you on Valcyn about it).
Message Edited by Devil_Tiger on 03-17-2005 12:42 PM
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