Dancer Archive
Thread: CU and Entertainers The Positive Thread For Dev Feedback
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Aynianu
Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:58 pm
#1
Ok ive got a new coffee, ive got Enya playing for me in my bedroom, im in a better mood.....
So we are loosing Buffs
So we are loosing Wound Healing
What will this mean?
In terms of skill boxes it will mean...
Ent healing exp harder to obtain, aswell as one whole tree of dancer and musician becomming completely obsolete
no Mind buffs means the techniques line is just a couple of fancy lights that no one really uses much.
Answer to this to me would mean Dancer requiring a LOT less skill points and exp required to master (at least on entertainer healing exp) As we have a virtually useless line in techniques, and an obsolete line in wound healing which should be removed skill-point wise in all fairness.
What needs to be Done?
There are two big options, one idoubt many are happy with but as an option i will post it anyway.
1: Merge dancer and musician, 4 skill boxes, dance knowledge, music knowledge, entertainer healing, entertainer techniques.
2: Expand both dancer and musician.
to do this,
Technique lines from both proffessions need to have a lot more abilities added. This can be a lot more visual effects, implementation of props into dancing/music or whatever else could really come under techniques.
Addition of a replacement skill tree for the wound healing. Wound healing is gone so a buffing line is to replace it? then lets have a lot of buffs, state defences perhaps.
AmythestGH
Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:13 pm
#2
Aynianu wrote:
Ok ive got a new coffee, ive got Enya playing for me in my bedroom, im in a better mood.....
/hug
What will this mean?
In terms of skill boxes it will mean...
Ent healing exp harder to obtain, aswell as one whole tree of dancer and musician becomming completely obsolete
no Mind buffs means the techniques line is just a couple of fancy lights that no one really uses much.
Answer to this to me would mean Dancer requiring a LOT less skill points and exp required to master (at least on entertainer healing exp) As we have a virtually useless line in techniques, and an obsolete line in wound healing which should be removed skill-point wise in all fairness.
What needs to be Done?
There are two big options, one idoubt many are happy with but as an option i will post it anyway.
1: Merge dancer and musician, 4 skill boxes, dance knowledge, music knowledge, entertainer healing, entertainer techniques.
2: Expand both dancer and musician.
to do this,
Technique lines from both proffessions need to have a lot more abilities added. This can be a lot more visual effects, implementation of props into dancing/music or whatever else could really come under techniques.
Addition of a replacement skill tree for the wound healing. Wound healing is gone so a buffing line is to replace it? then lets have a lot of buffs, state defences perhaps.
Very well written... I'd venture to say the devs are probably going to go with option #1.. considering that there is just one big "mind regeneration rate" to buff...
We'll see... 
Aynianu
Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:46 pm
#3
I would like the Dev's to take a small amount of time to think about this.
The LIVE entertainer community has been dwindling bit by bit due to theAFK issues mostly, AFK is still here 2 years on, and its the biggest live entertainer killer you can imagine. Now we will very likely see an end to AFK entertainers, (why would someone afk grind a proffession whose only use now is its social aspects after all).
What is left? just usLIVE entertainers, us FEW live entertainers. Those of us left will be forced to congregate in one cantina (yeah coronet you guessed it) or just dance in more remote places kind of alone. Problem is we now give nothing to the community, we are not special, we are not unique, we are just THERE. its all well and good being social to people, but when they are not social back it boils down to game mechanics.... and we just lost those.
And with that live entertainers will dwindle faster than people take it up, and those that do take it up wont stay long.
Im sure there will allways be some entertainers around but it will be a dead proffession.... a failed experiment for SOE.
Something must be done quickly to make Live Entertainers wish to carry on with this proffession, i just hope these 'minor buffs' will be worth all we lost. it needs to be enough to entice new entertainers to take up the proffession, and enough to keep live entertainers valued by the community. And at the same time AFK MUST BE REMOVED or its all a waste of time anyway.
ChiiTWINS
Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:46 pm
#4
[tries to phrase things positively]
I sincerely hope that is the option that they select. It seems to be sensible, it seems that it would satisfy a fair amount of people, and would accomplish two things: it would help make sure that there -are- people around to deal out those "minor buffs", and it would allow us to do something else in our spare time. Such as combat.
[says no more for lack of any words that aren't soaked in sarcasm]
Hopefully your idea will come under consideration, or already has been.
Mariki
Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:50 am
#5
Well lets see, being positive... Does that mean not quiting now and waiting till May to quit? To be honest, I been near the end of my rope with this afk issue as it was, I really wasn't looking for this CU bomb to drop. They give us nothing to look forward too...
Landlubber
Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:57 am
#6
Aynianu wrote:
There are two big options, one idoubt many are happy with but as an option i will post it anyway.
1: Merge dancer and musician, 4 skill boxes, dance knowledge, music knowledge, entertainer healing, entertainer techniques.
2: Expand both dancer and musician.
to do this,
Technique lines from both proffessions need to have a lot more abilities added. This can be a lot more visual effects, implementation of props into dancing/music or whatever else could really come under techniques.
Addition of a replacement skill tree for the wound healing. Wound healing is gone so a buffing line is to replace it? then lets have a lot of buffs, state defences perhaps.
Option 3: leave everything as it is, useless skill trees nonewithstanding, because SOE can't be arsed to do anything about it one way or another. That's the one my money is on.
Sorry, I do not have anything positive to say right now. Except maybe that in a few weeks from now, I'll haveover 20 Euros per month more to spend on something else because I will have cancelled my Station Access subscription (it's not as if I'm playing EQ2 anymore anyway).
Sorry, I do not have anything positive to say right now. Except maybe that in a few weeks from now, I'll haveover 20 Euros per month more to spend on something else because I will have cancelled my Station Access subscription (it's not as if I'm playing EQ2 anymore anyway).
Caerwynn
Sat Mar 19, 2005 4:14 am
#7
I am very disappointed by this, but at least once the guild cantina goes poof because the original owner has left the game, I needn't feel concerned about replacing it. Absolutely no point in having them come the CU publish.
*shakes head sadly*
Alphessa
Sat Mar 19, 2005 4:53 am
#8
CURB --- and what it means for my game play as a Master Musician/Dancer/Entertainer Novice Medic with a touch of Artisan
BAD POINTS
1. Removal of dance/music buffs - my main source of Income
2. Removal of Mind wounds - another income gone minor one true but gone 8 boxes now obsolete with no substitute being mentioned (another long wait perhaps before this is addressed)
3. Removal of Stat migration - everyone will be the same 1000 health (without a combat skill) how long can I dance play for before I cannot any more I required a buff or drink to maintain the ability to perform.
4. Addition of new Dances - very nice but in doing this they have broken sync dancing as bandflos no longer keep everyone together and the players view is different from the watchers. Seriously broken Exotic is the only dance that doesn’t wander or confuse the hell out of the client /server sync
5. Removal of the ability to wear armor without a combat profession certification effectively removing any chance of survival in the wilderness whilst maintaining my harvesters still not sure if I will be able to keep Novice medic due to additional skill points being required.
6. Continuance of the need for entertainers to heal BF-- Well got to leave the buffbots something to do
7. The loss of so many good friends
GOOD POINTS
1. Addition of 2 new songs for Musicians. (Although SW4 is a recognizable tune removing any room for creativity in arranging it)
2. Promise of additional buffing skills to be announced some time in the future (don’t hold your breath for this one)
3. Mind enhancement tapes wont cost an arm and a leg any more
4. Can change my makeup instantly rather than wait 30 seconds
5. Can recover over 5gb of disk space when I delete my SWG and SWG TC folders
6. Can stop paying SOE any money in the vain hope they will add some content for people who don’t want any combat in their game.
Well there it is I tried really hard to think of something positive for me in this CURB will the last Entertainer to leave please turn off the lights.
Alphessa
str8line
Sat Mar 19, 2005 5:05 am
#9
as it is now:
Viewer chooses to watch/listen toentertainer and heals Bf/wounds
my suggested change:
entertainer targets audience and chooses which to heal or not (can have multiple targets) or buff them
lower level entertainers could still target each and everyone that enters the cantina for the xp while master levels who will be giving the highest/longest lasting buffs will still be able to require people to /tip them for their services.
would certainly limit the progress for afk-tainers until someone writes a uber-macro to bypass it.. on the other hand if the maximum number of audience you will be able to heal starts low you will only end up targeting other entertainers .. hmm, and groups allows you to target a number of audience equal to the highest level member of the group.. (no, not let you share the xp that another entertainer brings in, because that lets in the afk-tainer again)
like/dislike?
quite possibly some stuff ive forgotten to adress..
kirah_ashlin
Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:04 am
#10
I don't believe that merging dancer and musician is a good thing. Roho isn't a dancer any more than I'm a musician. We like it that way.We use our unique talents to enhance each other's performance.
Okay, that wasn't exactly positive but at least it wasn't negative about the CU announcement . . . 
On that, well, I have little . . . wait, I have NO positive words to say at this juncture. Except that for some reason I'm still here . . . .
On that, well, I have little . . . wait, I have NO positive words to say at this juncture. Except that for some reason I'm still here . . . . Help us Obi-Bob Fosse - you're our only hope . . . .
ImajiNashun
Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:26 am
#11
Ok, try these on for positives?
- at least half the buffbots will go away depending on the usefullness of our minor buffs. I have a feeling these will be only marginally wanted by combat and only for those who are mature, thinking adult players who like the challenge of hunting previously known as "unbuffed". so little wanted minor buffs by a few remaining players like this means few to no buffbots.
- akf grinding will basically stop, no spam, dance floor room in the cantinas, we will know who really enjoys the entertainer professions once and for all. It will weed out all those who helped give us a bad name.
- we will become rare, special again, as only those who truly enjoy the performances will remain. regardless whether we have a function or not. A flash of inspiration hit me and I clearly see that what I truly enjoy the MOST about entertaining is the live outdoors shows. Now we won't have to have performances interupted by people who demand buffs and healing, guliting us into going inside a healing building to do just that. Maybe even greifing will end at these shows as they will just look at us and shake there heads, knowing we are insane, effectively leaving us alone.
- pity tipsmight increase at these performances. 6 months from now when all the "cool" people have left and the new breed is the kiddie FPS crowd taking up the majority of the population, they will happen along a street performance and stop in awe. they will say things like " what are you doing and why are you doing it?" and "I haven't seen this before", as they run on by.
- I will get to meet all kinds of new people. Oh yippeee! all my wonderful friends I have met on my journey through entertainer have just been replaced by a new crowd of teenage FPSers without social skills. the bright side? my email address book has grown as I try to keep up with which games they have moved toso I can go play with them there!
Petronela
Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:42 am
#12
Sorry, but nothing positive is really popping in my mind after reading the whole CU post.
Hell, I can’t even say it will save me $15 a month since I have All Access, so regardless what direction the game takes Sony will still have my money
For some reason after reading the whole CU tread I have good-old ABBA stucked in my head….
/sings .... I’ve played all my cards and that’s what you’ve done too... nothing more to say, no more ace to play... The winner takes it all, the looser standing small...
I mean seriously, they shave 16 points form ID so a person can have all 4 entertainer masters only to turn around and make sure all 4 of those masters are virtually useless.
Are they planning on adding an Intergalactic Food Stamp Office? Since they effectively taking away the main source of income for each of the entertainer branch master profession.
I’m having hard time imagining people flocking IDs on regular basics to have their lip-gloss adjusted or coming to cantinas to watch us just because they feel like it.
Who knows... maybe it wont be as bad as it looks atm and who knows... maybe the pigs will fly...
Deli'ah
Hell, I can’t even say it will save me $15 a month since I have All Access, so regardless what direction the game takes Sony will still have my money
For some reason after reading the whole CU tread I have good-old ABBA stucked in my head….
/sings .... I’ve played all my cards and that’s what you’ve done too... nothing more to say, no more ace to play... The winner takes it all, the looser standing small...
I mean seriously, they shave 16 points form ID so a person can have all 4 entertainer masters only to turn around and make sure all 4 of those masters are virtually useless.
Are they planning on adding an Intergalactic Food Stamp Office? Since they effectively taking away the main source of income for each of the entertainer branch master profession.
I’m having hard time imagining people flocking IDs on regular basics to have their lip-gloss adjusted or coming to cantinas to watch us just because they feel like it.
Who knows... maybe it wont be as bad as it looks atm and who knows... maybe the pigs will fly...
Deli'ah
ImajiNashun
Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:48 am
#13
Are they planning on adding an Intergalactic Food Stamp Office?
hehe! there's another positive, made me smile and even got a chuckle this morning!! 
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