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Thread: entertainer revamp part 2

Tangleweb
Sat May 07, 2005 8:05 pm
#1






pick your top ten favorite to move onto round three


1 - (edit)pie, cake, and cookies a plenty


2 - complete 8 flourishes for every dance (a lot of requests for this one, would it be considered a "top issue?")


3 - entertainer specific clothing


4 - props (this one covers a lot of ground, from tiaras and snakes, to weapons and armor, we should have another thread just for it)


5 - new dances/songs/pallette options (released in a regular and timely manner)


6 - alternate methods of completing pre-existing quests and theme parks


7 - larger groups (but how large is large enough?)


8 - better enhancement abilities (gotta be careful with these though, imo, they may relegate us back to pre-combat support and leave us there)


9 - realistic abilities (i.e. higher health, improved dodge, etc, highlighting the performers need to be in top physical condition)


10 - group commands for dancers like the ones musicians have


11- alternate forms of income, that can't be afk'ed (i'm going to call that one as a top issue)


12 - entertainer specific quests and theme parks for....


13 - entertainer specific items,loot, and abilities


14 - safe methods of travel


15 - customizable flourishes


16 - fun ways to incorporate non-combat characters into combat situations, and be effective


17 - more props


18 - more entertainer player structure (ID tents,alternatelayout forcantina's and theaters)


19 - alternate layout for NPC entertainer structures (cantina's, ID tents, hotels, and theaters)


20 - seperate skill point groups for combat and non-combat skills or reduced skill point costs


21 - since combat people got "new and exciting" visual effects, we want some too


22 - some serious attention payed to and luvvin for male entertainers (but not in asigfreid and roy way, unless you like white tigers)


23 - species specific songs and dances


24 - convert old skill tapes into something useful for the future


25 - more group commands


26 - a cool in-game advertising system


27 - musicians whith a greater variety of songs than the juke box (and not the other way around)


28 - more frequent Dev statments on professions, with time lines


29 - a Fame system, similar to the FRS system or the faction point system


30- transitory flourishes for dance and song changes


31 - couples dancing



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Pappi
Sat May 07, 2005 8:16 pm
#2



Tangleweb wrote:
ok, here's the list of everything that you said you wanted.
1



that's a short list




stupid_people_happen . .
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Tangleweb
Sat May 07, 2005 8:59 pm
#3






Pappi wrote:





Tangleweb wrote:

ok, here's the list of everything that you said you wanted.


1





that's a short list




/shush pappi


but now thats the complete list, from your responses. look em over, and pick out your 10 favorite. and next weekend i'll do some math and present a top ten list. from there we start working on making them presentable and well groomed.


please remember, no more than 10.(this is like the express lane at the grocery store)






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Pappi
Sat May 07, 2005 10:01 pm
#4

hon, if you want Eshie or the devs to take you seriously, you might want to change the first line.

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stupid_people_happen . .
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Caerwynn
Sun May 08, 2005 1:47 am
#5

That is a good list, apart from the first line, we need the devs with us not against us.


The list needs breaking down into what we would like asap, soon and near future.


I do think the increased abilities such as dodge, burst run etc, related to fitness/health, should be in the asap list so that pure ents have some means of escaping aggro.





Caerwynn (Caerwynn') Royce Grand Master Entertainer and Smuggler
Guild Leader of the Dune Sea Desperadoes. Member of Nebula
Various girls with skills and stuff.

Xyrdre
Sun May 08, 2005 2:27 am
#6





Tangleweb wrote:

ok, here's the list of everything that you said you wanted.


1 - a new Dev team


(snip)




If I was to look for the most surefire way to alienate my chances of being taken seriously bya dev team with a compiled list of requests, this is how I'd start things off.



Look... we may be frustrated at times as Dancers, but does anyone think this is a wise way to open up something asking those devsfor reform and improvements? And should a dev come and look in on the Dancer forum to see what's going on, and see this opener, would anyone be surprised if they just /rolleyes, and didn't bother to come back here for a few months?



Dancer correspondents have fought long and hard to have this community's concerns taken seriously since the beginning. I would ask that this be edited before there's any chance of it doing damage to the work that's been done on behalf of the profession. Looking out for Dancers interests is a tough enough job - I see no reason to make it any harder than it already is.





Deila Karlossi , Blue Glowie of Dancers, and become more powerful than you could possibly imagine...
Landlubber
Sun May 08, 2005 3:37 am
#7






Xyrdre wrote:





Tangleweb wrote:

ok, here's the list of everything that you said you wanted.


1 - a new Dev team


(snip)




If I was to look for the most surefire way to alienate my chances of being taken seriously bya dev team with a compiled list of requests, this is how I'd start things off.



Look... we may be frustrated at times as Dancers, but does anyone think this is a wise way to open up something asking those devsfor reform and improvements? And should a dev come and look in on the Dancer forum to see what's going on, and see this opener, would anyone be surprised if they just /rolleyes, and didn't bother to come back here for a few months?



Dancer correspondents have fought long and hard to have this community's concerns taken seriously since the beginning. I would ask that this be edited before there's any chance of it doing damage to the work that's been done on behalf of the profession. Looking out for Dancers interests is a tough enough job - I see no reason to make it any harder than it already is.





*shrug*

Whatever...

However, I am not a correspondent, I am a customer. And as a customer, I do not like these implications that we should "ask" the Devs to give us some attention, that we should beg them and be nice or else they'll tell us to go stand in a corner again for the next two years.


As persons and human beings, the developers are entitled to be treated courteously and with respect, no argument there. However, as someone who is supposed to provide a service to us, they have never shown us this respect, and therefore they do not warrant any niceties anymore. For me that time is long past. At this point, I would not ask, I would demand, because my monthly subscription say I have every right to do that. I think that for all the necessary courtesy and constructiveness, it is important that we remind them that they are supposed to work for us, not vice versa.

That's all I have to say about this. If you don't like my suggestion, feel free to vote it out. Because that is supposed to be a voting thread here, which everyone seems to miss.

Don't bother replying to this post, I won't read it. I'm outtahere and won't be back in this thread. I've had it with playing nice



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Klofi (Smuggler/Chimaera) -- Cancelled,
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kirah_ashlin
Sun May 08, 2005 4:27 am
#8


Okay, while many of us are not happy with the responses and attention we've gotten/not gotten by SOE, I feel that if this thread is to be taken at all seriously, we need to be constructive and keep it to viable options. Getting a new dev team is not going to happen, and allowing such a statement is going to cause more harm than good - plain and simple. I mean just look at the fact that this is the most discussed portion of the list already. This is why I didn't reply tothe original threadin the first place. No offense to Ailar or anyone else who feels this strongly about the current dev team, but wishing them away isn't going to help our cause. And making it look like it'sthe number one priority on this unofficial wish list is liable to make things more difficult than not.


Are you entitled to your feelings? Certainly. Should you be allowed to state them here? Definitely. Just realize that while you have every right to express them, don't hold to them so tightly thatthey jepardize our profession's chances of actually getting the positive attention of the dev team that we need and getting some of the items on this wishlist.


/hug to Ailar

menyou
Sun May 08, 2005 4:27 am
#9

/sigh


Since (and including) JTL the Dancer proffesion has had so much stuff given to it quite frankly it's excellent.

It's not everything we wanted but it sure as hell is a good amount of usefull work, with the exception of group sizes and CURRENTLY the oversight of no elite 'buffing'.

New Dances
Buffbots gone
No need for accagram to ent
New flo's
Quad mastery possible

That is a GOOD amount of development gone into our proffession. There was a fubar in the CU granted BUT the devs have admitted their mistake ( by saying they will give us new stuff and pushing the inspiration buffs out which I'm sure where NOT origonally planned in the CU ) so to criticise the devs quite frankly is well IMO disrespectfull.




Katier Rax
"Blueberry" Entertainer to the masses
Testcenter Mistress plastic surgeon, Mistress Dancer, Mistress Entertainer, Musician
Starsider Mistress Dancer and Live entertainment supporter


Kyree-Sunrunner
Sun May 08, 2005 4:52 am
#10



menyou wrote:
/sigh


Since (and including) JTL the Dancer proffesion has had so much stuff given to it quite frankly it's excellent.

It's not everything we wanted but it sure as hell is a good amount of usefull work, with the exception of group sizes and CURRENTLY the oversight of no elite 'buffing'.

New Dances
Buffbots gone
No need for accagram to ent
New flo's
Quad mastery possible

That is a GOOD amount of development gone into our proffession. There was a fubar in the CU granted BUT the devs have admitted their mistake ( by saying they will give us new stuff and pushing the inspiration buffs out which I'm sure where NOT origonally planned in the CU ) so to criticise the devs quite frankly is well IMO disrespectfull.




QFE!!!
NJ62
Sun May 08, 2005 6:06 am
#11

Every month, I attend a meeting of SWG players in the Austin area, and every so often a dev or two shows up. These devs are guys (and an occasional gal) who have jobs where they are assigned projects and do them, same as the rest of the world. They don't maliciously say "hmm, 9am, I'm supposed to re-code this dance bug thingy, but dancers suck, so hmmm... anyone wanna spend an hour at Starbucks?" They do their jobs, they're not trying to spite you.

Now, last month, I was talking to a couple of mystery devs and asked what their forum names were. Their response was that forums were a scary place because all the players do is say how much they hate the devs.

Imagine this, if part of your job were to participate in a discussion with your customer base who hates you, all the time, as you follow instructions and do your job. Would you want to do that? Doubtful. Nobody wants to be flamed, criticised, and hated simply for doing their job.

Do the devs need to all be fired? Of course not. They are some of the best coders in the industry, why on earth would you fire them because they are following instructions not to your liking, and who knows from just how high up those instructions come? Saying that they should lose their jobs is going to reinforce a negative impression about the player base, an impression already well-founded from many comments on this forum, and will put an unreasonable request at the start of a mostly reasonable list.

Prefacing our biggest desires with a statement that will alienate the devs does a disservice to the profession, and is counterproductive.



n'Jessi
former correspondent, former player

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Drygo
Sun May 08, 2005 6:13 am
#12

I vote remove #1



- I support hawtpants
Tangleweb
Sun May 08, 2005 6:32 am
#13



i put that in there cuz it was mentioned in part one. and this is only part two, i have several more steps in mind before trying to present this. i knew it was sarcastic, but i thought it was kinda funny so i left it in. if it is the consensus of the island tovote it off the list, i'll edit it out. but you've all got to go and edit it out of your posts to the thread too


p.s. the above list is a completly unbiased recount of the wishlists that were presented in an earlier thread


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