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Thread: Entertainer NPC's... Your Thoughts?

PistolDance
Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:14 pm
#105




Dreamland wrote:







PistolDance wrote:


Again, I didnt say I got 600Bf from two missions. If you want to know the correct scenario I got something around 300bf from two missions while working up pistoleer with fanshot.






to qoute you




PistolDance wrote:

It also seems sad to me that you consider the BF accrued from two gurk missions to be unbearable.


Yes, id say in the BF in 400-500 area is unbearable. It reduces my damage significantly. After 3 missions I become almost useless. Its not even worth doing missions with 600 BF.





In what part of that did you not say you got 600 battle fatigue? You said 4-500, and then changed it to 600 at the end.



This part....


It also seems sad to me that you consider the BF accrued from two gurk missions to be unbearable.



Yes, id say in the BF in 400-500 area is unbearable.After 3 missions I become almost useless.


I said after 600 BF im useless, not that I got 600bf from two missions.

Message Edited by PistolDance on 08-07-2004 08:18 PM



Milandra (SI)

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Dreamland
Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:20 pm
#106




PistolDance wrote:



This part....


It also seems sad to me that you consider the BF accrued from two gurk missions to be unbearable.



Yes, id say in the BF in 400-500 area is unbearable.After 3 missions I become almost useless.







Ok its clear to me at this point you are not here for any other purpose than to troll, all you are doing is using gross exagerations and blatantly lying about things you've said for no other reason than to get people angry.


This will be the last time i reply to any of your posts because they serve no purpose but an atempt to make myselfand others angry.


PistolDance
Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:28 pm
#107







Ok its clear to me at this point you are not here for any other purpose than to troll, all you are doing is using gross exagerations and blatantly lying about things you've said for no other reason than to get people angry.


This will be the last time i reply to any of your posts because they serve no purpose but an atempt to make myselfand others angry.




Good, hopefully stopping this ridiculous discussion will make others feel comfortable enough to continue adding their ideas about what was proposed by the thread maker


So, the droid video chips are good for a lot of people except that it might take away from needed cantina XP. I suggested the dancer or musician (and hopefully the group they are with) to gain healing xp during the making of the droid vid chip. Id love to talk about more ideas.


They would have to code in how much healing xp would be received during this.


Perhaps the vid can only be made for the amount of BF that player purchasing the chip is being healed for at the time? This way they could just double the XP, might be easier to code in.


I am still personally against the idea of NPC entertainers


Message Edited by PistolDance on 08-07-2004 08:29 PM



Milandra (SI)

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CodeBreaker007
Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:51 pm
#108
Don't you think by removing afk botts and repacing them with npc is just creating the same thing? isn't that why entertainers are moaning about afk, npc players are just the same, but are automated as with player characters who setup macro's. So I don't think it's a good idea, what I do think is they should be adding to parts of the entertainer profession and not taking away.


If people want to make money from entertaining, then they should create more for the entertainer to do rather than just dancing.. The main reason people create botts is because it's boring, sorry but anyone who says dancer/musician isn't are lieing or like playing boring parts..hard on some but their is alot to swg and dancing/musician is the most boring part of the game and the only thing they provide is battle-fatigue healing and mind buffs..AFK is not the problem and people don't seem to understand that..


If your only profession is entertainer and you have no other means to make money in this game it's not the people using botts or being afk to blame it's your own faults for taking on such a useless profession for your only means to play swg..Being afk is not just used for botts, their are many other reasons it's useful for which I've pointed out in other posts..


My opinion on dancer profession which I got through:


Why did I want the dancer profession was to be able to heal my guilds minds and buff them as and when I'm on, now having two accounts enabled me to leave my dancer running while I played my other character running as I wasn't going to just sit at my pc watching the character dance about, thats boring and don't say it isn't.

I also work 40 hours a week and don't spend hours online like alot of you people might do, so rather then take months to get master dancer I did it in two weeks which is long enough, by using a macro that repeated it's self when I was at work. Now that I have master dancer I can use that small part to heal as and when I want..But it's not my main profession TK is along with collecting hide..


If someone asks me nicely I will mind buff for nothing, if I want to spend an hour getting pocket money I might charge 7k a buff, Now people who use botts for this service have my blessing as most if not all do charge be that an entrance fee to cantina's which is what I've seen mostly or by giving free buffs, as most people have other main professions to gain money in other ways..


Now if entertainers need to earn money in-game then the profession needs to be re-built so they have sole ownership for mind buffing and healing and take that option away from other professions. Or give dancers some good missions that pay well from npc...


Seeing as cantina's are based on bars for relaxation, then there should be a run of slots to train as bar tenders that can make and mix drinks that can be used for mind buffs, and take mind buffs away from cheffs or just allow both to make them rather then just chefs. Also you could have dancers create lighting effects that when used could buff mind/will and all that..So their are things that can be added to entertainers that can introduce money making if the dev's wanted to, instead of people asking for parts to be removed..



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PistolDance
Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:11 pm
#109




CodeBreaker007 wrote:

Don't you think by removing afk botts and repacing them with npc is just creating the same thing? isn't that why entertainers are moaning about afk, npc players are just the same, but are automated as with player characters who setup macro's. So I don't think it's a good idea, what I do think is they should be adding to parts of the entertainer profession and not taking away.

Ya, thats why I dont support it as well.


If people want to make money from entertaining, then they should create more for the entertainer to do rather than just dancing..

I think this is a good idea, which is why the proposal of droid vid chips could go a long way in supplementing entertainer's income



If someone asks me nicely I will mind buff for nothing, if I want to spend an hour getting pocket money I might charge 7k a buff, Now people who use botts for this service have my blessing as most if not all do charge be that an entrance fee to cantina's which is what I've seen mostly or by giving free buffs, as most people have other main professions to gain money in other ways..

This is why people are so against bots...

It makes the whole profession seem useless to play. If people are having fun playing it, it isnt useless to me.


Now if entertainers need to earn money in-game then the profession needs to be re-built so they have sole ownership for mind buffing and healing and take that option away from other professions.

Meaning chef foods?



Seeing as cantina's are based on bars for relaxation, then there should be a run of slots to train as bar tenders that can make and mix drinks that can be used for mind buffs, and take mind buffs away from cheffs or just allow both to make them rather then just chefs.

I remember when chefs would come in and greet people as the cantina bar tender



I dont think the main reason people want bots removed is because of credits lost. There are a lot of posts on these forums stating why




Milandra (SI)

" Into the garbage chute fly-boy! "
Lesia
Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:15 pm
#110
Disappointing that TH feels that off times need to be addressed before the recursive macro is removed. But if this is the case then perhaps NPC healers could be made available during these downtimes and despawn during normal play time. I can't imagine setting these NPCs on a timer would be too difficult. But I'd rather see thehealing timein emptycantinas and hospitals beadjusted.Either of these arecompromises that might allow the recursive macro to be removed sooner rather than later.


I'm not in favor of vids and camp bf healing. I'm still afraid they might undermine the cantina communities that still do develop and have been increasing since the announcement of the removal of the recursive macro (at least in my own personal experience). I'm not overly concerned about the vids. I imagine they would be so difficult to construct that we wouldhave plenty of time to debate the pros and cons. I'm more concerned that choosing vids might postpone the removal of the looping macros indefinitely.


AFK player buff/healing vendors are a very serious problem for live entertainers and the removal of the recursive macro is essential in keeping our profession viable. We need to deal with it as quickly as possible.
PistolDance
Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:24 pm
#111




Lesia wrote:

But if this is the case then perhaps NPC healers could be made available during these downtimes and despawn during normal play time.

Hmm good idea..


But I'd rather see thehealing timein emptycantinas and hospitals beadjusted.

I was thinking of that as well, but if it was adjusted enough to be effective it might take away the healing experience forentertainers that arent master yet. Unless the healing could turn off somehow when someone is entertaining. I dont see how they could do that though.


I imagine they would be so difficult to construct that we wouldhave plenty of time to debate the pros and cons.

lol thats true


I'm more concerned that choosing vids might postpone the removal of the looping macros indefinitely.

Why would you think this?




Message Edited by PistolDance on 08-07-2004 09:26 PM



Milandra (SI)

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Lesia
Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:48 pm
#112
I'm concerned about the time it might take to create the vid method as a means to deal with the recursive macro.The looping macro is anissue that has to be address as quickly as possible, and I think we both agree that creating a vid system will take a considerably long time.


Perhaps the devs could run some numbers and see whathappens if they increase the healing effectivness of empty hospitals and cantinas. Just like aoff time NPC, the healing should never be as good as a live emtertainer, so that it doesn't interfer if a live entertainer is present.
Lesia
Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:20 pm
#113
The way I read TH's post, it appeared that he wanted to deal with the issues before removing the recursive macro. I'm just suggesting that using the vid as a way of dealing with the recursive macro will postone it's removal far too long. I'm anxious to see the problem of vendor buff/healing bots be dealt with as quickly as possible by removing the looping macro and that requires an uncomplicated solution. I also feel that the healing effectivness of empty cantinas and hosptials or downtime NPCs will have theleast possibleimpact on the entertainers profession, which is positive. Such as less concern about healing experience or thebreakdown of the entertainer community.
DarkY0da
Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:44 pm
#114

Holo Recordings might be something to look at in 2 years when we get the Entertainer Revamp.

For now they can just fix the unattended gameplay like they want and are going to do anyways.

And then just let things take their course.

Demand will increase supply. 1 Entertainer could heal EVERYONE on a server at the same time.(if they could all be in the same place with out bring the servers down) So this mythical "Off-Peak" (when is that again ?) only needs 1 Entertainer to be on to heal BF. I have never had trouble finding an entertainer to heal except on "adventure" planets.(I look for them to heal me even though I can do it myself as the healing trees go really slowly.) I have the same trouble finding an Entertainer as I have finding a medic or doc to heal me.


IF there is honestly some problem with healing then a "quick" fix of adding BF healing to Cantinas and the like would work great. But as noted by others the Healing xp goes insanely slow.(not sure what it will be like after pub 10. But I would hope it would improve slightly). And letting people heal with out an Entertainer means less xp for those trying to work their way up to Masters. I still like my suggestion on Register and BF healing with places but something like that takes a little bit more time then just the quick and easy fix of bf healing at cantinas. Which again could be looked at later.


But I still just think there are a lot of people screaming and running around trying to convice us that the sky is falling. Or that Y2K(aka no more looping) will cause the entire system to fail and fall apart. Just do it already on TC Devs and lets see how it screws everything up before we start trying to replace us all again with uneeded coding and secondary fail safes. That's what TC is freakin for.

Message Edited by DarkY0da on 08-07-2004 10:46 PM



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DeniraWyles
Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:18 pm
#115
Can we get holorecordings of combat types killing things for resources and get the resources for free?



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EsistDarkSky
Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:20 pm
#116
I think instead of putting in Entertainer NPCs, they should chain the current PC Entertainers to their chairs with their eyes wired open.


That'd be FRICKIN AWESOME.

DeniraWyles
Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:25 pm
#117



Esistdarksky




I think instead of putting in Entertainer NPCs, they should chain the current PC Entertainers to their chairs with their eyes wired open.


That'd be FRICKIN AWESOME.





How about we put in NPC combat types instead of having to rely upon other human beings for resources. That'd be FRICKEN AWESOME.




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I support at the keyboard entertainers.

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