Dancer Archive
Thread: Yay, and thanks to all you AFK Macro-ers
Why have so many people problems, because they have to search for BF/ mind healing.
Is it not anelemental part of this game?Looking forother peoples and interact with those?
Last time I was was on search for an new vibroblade. I needed more than 3 hours to find a viable one and a slicer, who had the patience to slice the blades until I had, what I wanted.
Same storry I could tell about my Mabari.
How difficult ist it to find an Image designer?
Have you not to look for a doctor for the buffs or healing?
I never heard: "We need more afk crafters on Dathomire!"
People who can not live with this, should ask themselves, if they are playing the right game.
To the selfless helper theory:
It is curious, but seldom I see some of these species on the outer planetes.
The ordinary afk macroer ist found in crowded places to grind faster. He has no time to play and less time to travel to cantinas where players would need them.
No one can narrate me, that LAMERs do not distroy the ambiente of the cantinas and steal customers from the life entertainers. And no one can narrate me the fairy tale, that they do this to help other players.
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Aniella(Gorath) Dancer, Fencer <----------- an other 1% miracle
you shouldn't even bother.
they won't be happy until irc hiarchy is instituted in the cantinas, and /grovel emotes are put in the game.
*smacks self and falls over backwards*
/grovel
- J
I'm just adding levity, don't let me derail the discussion.
- J
Hehe, I surely didn't help by posting that 5-mile-long train twice. I am *so* sorry, it looks ugly. Oh well.
Greatsails wrote:
Everyone wondering where to get that precious healing XP? Go to Dant, Dath, Lok, etc. You'll get mad healing XP out there, and as many tips for your time as the whole cantina in theed or coronet is going to get over the same span.
I'm sorry to disappoint you Great but there are several problems with this. Your inexperience as a full-time at-keyboard entertainer makes you think this will work but I am here to tell you it doesn't. Here are the things that mitigate against this idea.
1. It varies immensely by server. For example, on my server, Naritus, Endor is pretty empty (or was last time I was there). Several other entertainer friends of mine, who play BHs and CHs and the like on Bria or some other server, encouraged me to go there for tips because, on Bria server Endor is always hopping and full of people in need of healing. I went to Endor and spent an entire Saturday there. I made a few thousand credits in tips (note: NOT enough to cover the Naboo-Endor round trip) and saw maybe a half-dozen people there. Sry (the dancer who encouraged me to go) was totally surprised by this since her BH on Bria sees people crawling all over Endor and its outposts on a regular basis. So just because this might work on your server is no guarantee it will work on any other server. The servers are very different in this regard and you just have to realize that.
2. Many of the outpost cantinas are unpleasant or even impossible to perform in. I'm lucky enough to have Master Entertainer so I can play music. But for an at-keyboard dancer who actually cares what the dances look like, and that they match the music being played, and puts some effort into it (as hard as this may be for someone not a dedicated performer to understand, some of us do this), the tiny outpost cantinas are just dreadful. You can't do formal or lyrical, two of the best dances, without crashing into the wall. If you keep the camera positioned behind your head (as I normally do) to see patrons, it forces the camera so close you can't see what you are doing. If you rotate it so you can see yourself, you can't see the patrons, making socializing very hard to do. In short, the outpost cantinas are claustrophobic and VERY hard to dance in well, and hard to enjoy dancing in. They are not conducive to good dancing. So this is one very major reason why a lot of dedicated dancers don't like to go there.
3. High end outposts are extremely variable. You might get lucky and hit a good hour and make 50K like Meeuki apparently did. But that's luck. Another hour might yield zero. A cantina on Naboo might not give you as many anomalous "large hits" in terms of tips and healing xp but you are guaranteed a slow, steady, reliable stream of it. I made substantially LESS healing xp and tips on both Lok (2 nights) and Endor (1 full Saturday) than I would have over an equivalent time period on what was (at the time) my "home" cantina, in Keren, on Naboo. I saw less people, healed less people, made less money. In fact over the 3 trips I took a major financial loss if you count only entertainment. Now it turns out my character is a carbineer and she was able to make the money back hunting with friends, but that has nothing to do with dancing. Dancing, she made far less money than she spent on the trips. So there is no guarnatee.
These are not just my experiences. Denisa, SlickRiptide, Nvoigt, and others have posted here stating that they, too, have had the same experience. Many nights of zilch, with the occasional "big hit" such as you are describing. The problem is that it is inconsistent and hard to predict, and if there is no guarantee, and you don't have either a combat class to make the trip cost back or thousands of credits to burn on a lark, you pretty much can't afford it. That means that doing this is, guess what, inconvenient for the dancer. What's good for the kaadu is good for the nuna, my friend. If you're not supposed to be inconvenienced to play the game, why should we be? Why is it that the entertainers have to be inconvenienced "for the good of the game", but combat-characters and everyone else doesn't? Or does it strike you as convenient to someone deliberately playing a social profession to have to spend time and money on travel and then sit there for long periods of times (half an hour, 40 minutes, etc) not able to socialize because the cantina is empty, just so it will be convenient for the combatant when he sees fit to drag his wounded butt in to be healed?
Entertainers are upbraided regularly by the combatants who want their healing HERE and NOW because we should travel to the adventure planet to serve people. But dare suggest that a combatant should travel from the adventure to the more civilized worlds to find a dancer, and the hue and cry is enough to wake the dead. Turn the argument on its head. Can you imagine the reaction if dancers asked to have AFK wounded people around to gain healing xp, because it was too "inconvenient" to have to "travel around and find" people who need healing? Why is one type of behavior (combatants wanting AFK healers because running around looking for entertainers is inconvenient) acceptable, but the other (healers staying in one place because running around looking for wounded people is inconvenient) is not? Or is your time more valuable than mine, because I am a carebear socializer and you are a "real" player who actually engages in combat? That seems to be the message here. "My $15 are worth more than yours, because I am not to be inconvenienced in the slightest, but it's OK if you are." That doesn't sound very fair to me... does it to you?
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It all can be summed up very neatly. Entertainer classes do not get the abilities and things to make them really fun until master, or close to it. They also take a ridiculously long time to get there compared to other classes.
In order to get the XP necessary to advance in a reasonable amount of time, you have to find a group of 20 somewhere. This:
a) nullifies any tips you'll make.
b) makes for a pretty boring experience.
c) makes it so it's not worth going outside of the biggest cantinas until you'rea master.
d) makes it so that masters are really the only ones who have a viable way of making money as a dancer, since they are the only ones who can viably work alone for extended periods of time.
I am a dancer because I enjoy it. I love the animations and watching my character.
Yet Ijust plain do not understand the indignation over AFK entertainers; the professions suck to level up. Without macros, you have to sit there and mash a key every few seconds for hours on end; crafters make XP faster than us. You only get XP for doing your best dance, so it's not a lot different than crafting 1000 ribbed shirts to hit that next tailor level when you're doing the stupid poplock just to get to lyrical and something that looks like dancing.
I do agree that they shouldn't do it in cantinas. Healing XP isn't that hard to come by when you're actually playing the class; it's just the dance XP that is a horrible, horrible grind.
The biggest problem with entertainers is NOT AFK people. It's the fact that in order to progress in a timely manner, you have to be in the largest group possible.You're not viable in asmall band, oreven fun to watch alone until you'reclose to master. Get rid of this, and you're free to go around and do things...and actually be rewarded for it. Non entertainers like the AFK people out in the boonies because it means they don't have to spend a lot of time searching for someone; which they probably would not have to do anyway if entertainers were freed to move about by not forcing them to cluster in a handful of areas.
AFK'ers would stop bothering you because you'd be free to go somewhere else and still be able to progress and maybe even make money, simply put.
it amazes me how ignorant you are nvoigt. first of all, you don't play the game. people who play get wounds. it just happens. maybe not if you fight chuba all day long while trying to figure out an autoharvestmacro though.
second, it's not cheating. jeassa already buried that hatchet. you can keep crying about it i suppose but the fact remains that SOE has said it is ok. they've banned dupers, banned griefers, but not afkers? why? because they want it in the game. there's no solution to it. the afkers have won. yougriefers have lost. there are thousands of people out there thankful for being able to grind through your drab grey chatroom.
last night i decided to pick up my friends cancelled account to see if afking was really killing the profession. he has a nice skinny twilek novice dancer. i went to one of those "tin can fridge cantinas" on dathomir and made 50,000 credits in an hour. my entertainment healing gains were absolutely rediculous. people definately are getting wounded. and they definately appreciate people ATK. just like i'm sure they would have appreciated me being there AFK (it's cheaper for them!). so is the profession ruined? **edit** NO! you people are extraordinarily lazy! you should put beanbag and couch requests for the coronet cantina in your top 5.
but whatever. the lot of you can keep acting like rabid dogs. nothing is changing until there is an alternative, and if you can manage to see me through your tears i'll be happy to take your stuff when you all quit because afks "ruined your fun".
Even if the devs tried to find a way to discourage AFKing, it probably wouldn't help at this point. The AFK bud should have been nipped early so that the strong Entertainer economy that used to exist in August could continue. But those days are passed.
Ok, the reason the entertainer economy was so strong in August from your perspective is because of the relative scarcity of entertainers at that time. The ratio of tips given to tips received was much more in your favor than it is today. The reason for the decline is not just becuase of AFKers, but because of the natural evolution of the game population. Remove AFKers from the equation, and you would still be making less today than in August. Do the AFKers excaserbate that? Sure, but it remains true that declination-of-tips-earned phenominon would persist even absent the AFKers. I'm just saying don't blame all that on the AFKers.
I like the Dancer/Musician pager idea. Call up a "Yellow Pages." Any Dancer or Musician who is not /registered at a cantina already can have his name show up. The person looking for entertainment can send him a /tell. And yes, across the planets. And it only pages those with a Dancer or Musician title up (so you can be unlisted if you choose).It could be something to differentiate Dancers and Musicians from Entertainers, too.
K, That's a good idea, regardless of anyone's opinion about AFKers. I have never understood why they needed to limit the search function to your local area.
PS, Greatsails, there was a thread earlier where someone claims he asked some Entertainers on hunting missions and was turned down at every request.Some people prefer to stay in their home cantina.
Ain't that the truth. I've encountered entertainers who seem quite married to the cantina. Still, it's a good idea, I'll see if it has any real utility.
Nice try. But that's not an AKF Entertainer only problem. Who's healing you in those hours ? Who are you grouping with in those hours ? Who teaches you in those hours ? Who do you teach in those hours ? You are already losing out on many things that come with playing off hours. I'm from Europe, I know perfectly well how off hours on an American server feel. And yet, I don't think it's a justification to ruin a class. You don't have healbots, teachbots, getting-taught-bots, group-with-me-bots either, do you ?
I have no trouble in off hours finding people to group with, to get trained by (as we are often of a very similiar playstyle, they usually have skills I need, and vice versa). You can't find 5randomly selected combat types where at least one doesn't have Medic skills. You can find 50 randomly selected combat typeswhere none have Entertainer skills. These things you address as being hart to find, you address as if they were equally hard to find in off hours as entertainers. That isn't so. I don't need healbots, teachbots, getting-taught-bots, group-with-me bots. They are out there, yes even in off hours.
I am one of those mysterious 1%. When I started this game, about 6 months ago, I was NOTHING but a dancer. I did not craft, I did not heal (other than entertainer healing) and I did not fight. Nothing but dancing. Now tell me, if I'd done that now, would I be able to actually make a living that way? No.
Ok, you're joking right? This is your arguement as to why AFK dancing is evil? That you can't make money as only a dancer? Well ... I guess it's a good thing you've got like 180 other points to spare in other professions. /rolleyes. No one is meant to make a living off a single profession, unless it be one that forces you to spend all your points (ala BH, Commando, etc.) If I mastered Artisan and complained that "Ican only sell my MA parts to DEs, how can I ever make a living?!?!"I'd be a laughingstock. Look at this realistically. Arguing that that a single profession isn't enough to live on is silly. Some you can (Architect, Weaponsmith), some you can't (unless you're smartat it: Dancer, Chef, etc.) That's why you get to master 2.5-3 different professions ...
Greatsails, one question for you....
What do you think if those of your proffesion were able to afk their way to master? How would you feel? I know while doing combatI have seen many TKA's and CH's afk grinding on the outskirts of Moenia...and that kinda ticked me off as well.
That doesn't bother me. They are taking advantage of game mechanics to advance. Who arewe to say that's bad, and where do we draw the line between which game mechanics it's acceptible to take advantage of, and which ones aren't? Is it bad that I can take advantage of game mechanics like Bleed/Bleed/Feign Death to solo *any* mob in the game (given patience)? Is it bad that I can take advantage of a knockdown to do more damage? "It's all unfair! It benefits someone else and not me! Wha! Wha! Wha!" Cmon now, we're all more mature than that. If the game makes it possible, its fair. Its that simple. If you want to talk the metaphysics of what's fair and what's not, you came to the wrong guy. If they have made it, I shall use it.
Imagine there was a bot that auto-looted every corpse you kill ( suppose that would be possible and SOE would announce in their official forums that it's ok as long as you use the ingame macro system for it )
There is. You've not heard of ninja looting? A Macro you can make that loots a creature with the press of a button so long as you are targeted on the corpse, that prevents you have having to bother with the radial menu. It's out there. People use it. Those who don't complain and cry about it. I don't understand this.That's like saying, "It isn't fair that some people get to use D-18 pistolsand I only started the game with a CDEF! I don't care that they went out and got that better pistol, for I shall *only* use the items given to me at the start of the game." Its ludicrous that people are too lazy to learn the macro system and then complain about people who have and know how to use it to their gain. Those crys fall on my deaf ears.
Exploitive cheating behaviour is not a "feature". It's greedy humans playing a too forgiving game.
If macroing is ok, why is third party macroing forbidden ?
First, see the above about how I'm not so egotistical that I believe my idea of fair vs unfair matters a whit. You think it's exploitive, I don't. You're entitled to your opinion, and me to mine. But none of us is a Dev, and none of us really gets to decide. Drawing lines is a slipperly slope. If you have the right to tell me that some legitimate game mechanic is exploitive, where do you stop? Do you only stop at the point that you no longer gain? Now who's being a greedy human? If it's in the game and the Devs don't tell me its an exploit, I'm using it. You can draw lines in your mind all day, it's not going to affect reality in any given way. And thank god for that.
Second, why not 3rd party macos? Well, because the Devs have probably spent some time balancing the macro system to the point they like it. Introducing my own macro that's outside the game is like drawing another line, only instead of doing like you, who draws the line farther inside the game than the Devs, I'm drawing it farther outside. I don't view 3rd party marcoers with any less disdain than the people who tell me I'm wrong for using a feature of the game the Devs left open to me as a tool to make my gameplay better. They are the same in my book. Don't use game features, or modify the game features, both are silly, and violate the spirit of the game the Devs have created for us. Saying you want to level to Master Bounty Hunter using only CDEF weapons is a silliness of equal degree to me as someone who wants to use a 3rd party program that would give them a BFG to kill everything in the game in a single hit.
On the other hand, I had earned 16K. Subtracting shuttle fees, I earned 6K per hour. Sorry, but do you think that 6K an hour on Dantooine is ok ? That's not money I would work for. If I get 6K an hour, I have better ways to make money in Theed, plus a better cantina. There is not enough demand there for me to go out again.
So...you earned more money as a dancer than you do normally. You're saying you'd rather make less money in Theed than more money on Dant, cause it just ain't worth it? Precisely the elitest attitude that makes me happy to find an AFKer on Dant. You holier-than-thou entertainers sure aren't out there. It isn't worth it? Is it more worth it to make a point by dancing somplace where you're surounded by AFKers (whom you hate) and making almost no money. It seems to me like you *want* to be someplace that gives you cause to complain. Tell me, what, realistically, would make you happy? Tell me. There are just people in the world who will find anything to complain about, and if it isn't AFK macroers, its gonna be "I made more money as a dancer on Dant than ever before anyplace else, but, eh, it wasn't worth the work." How now are you different from the AFKers who think "I could ATK dance to Master, but, eh, it's not worth the work, I will therefore AFK to master."
Does the hypocracy on this board know no bounds?
Ah well, as pointed out, this is pretty much moot. SOE has demonstrated no desire to remove heal bots. I still have fun dancing and will continue to draw people away from the AFKers because they simply are not entertaining (really, the best way to get someone's attention is to greet them by name or say something that would not be macro'd; some people really enjoy that and will tip you handsomely if you just interact with them). Maybe I'll end up stealing Ent Heal xp from some AFKer, but I don't care.
Thank you. Now here's someone who understands MMOG play. Adaptation. You're all worried about being "lost a sea of AFKers?" How can you be lost in them unless you are acting like them? Be socialable. Do what you claim is the reason you're an entertainer, and let the AFKers be just the decoration that they are. I put it to you that if you so engage a cantina customer and get no response, you'd have gotten that same non-responsiveness absent 5 other AFK macrotainers. The macrotainers aren't destroying your profession, you can still be sociable, and the sociable customers will reciprocate, and the anti-social ones won't. That's all true plus/minus AFKers. Any agruement against AFK dancers based on the fact that they make it impossible to be social is invalid (and I have seen many of these). The ability to carry on a social encounter is based on 2 things, you and the other person. I have plenty of social encounters at the Starport at Theed, do I let the battle raging around me bother me? Why should AFKmacrotainers bother you while you're being social in a cantina?
well, then the people playing at 4am need to get a frikkin' life and goto bed like the Entertainers who aren't there. The AFK needs to go.
I think people who post crap like this ought to get a life. I play off hours because I work odd schedules, and I do plenty well for myself thanks to it.
Chessak says:
A lot of reasons why things are also inconvenient.
And I agree with it all. I think those reasons that Meeuki posted are silly. I don't use any of these things during off hours that he mentioned, for the express reasons Chessak details above.
Greatsails says that "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" yet a big chunk of the "AFKers are essential" argument is so they can heal the few people who play on high end worlds at odd times. If the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few then why should the needs of these few odd-time players be addressed at all? By Great's own reasoning SOE and LA should ignore these people since the bulk of their audience does not play at these times.
lol - ok, you got me there. But my point for myself only has to do with off hours. My arguement in theory has more to do with the game itself. Lotsa combat types, very few ATK entertainers. In the early days, the good old days as many entertainers seem to think of them, they got paid lots and saw lots of customers. Of course they did, they were so few and had something that everyone had to have. Now it's more evenly distributed, and with AFKers in out-of-the-way places where *lots* of players are (dath, dant, lok) they help the game.
Everyone wondering where to get that precious healing XP? Go to Dant, Dath, Lok, etc. You'll get mad healing XP out there, and as many tips for your time as the whole cantina in theed or coronet is going to get over the same span.
In fact I do not agree with the "many/few" argument in this case. It is the job of the developers to see to it that NO profession is ruined, while at the same time making it possible to play at any time on any server, meaning also at odd times. I agree that Great should be able to play and enjoy and I agree that inconvenience is, in general, not fun, and that games are about having fun. What I don't agree with is that, in the long run, this situation is best handled by AFK Macroing.
I agree, it's not the best solution. But the Devs have a finite amount of time and attention, and this balancing of AFK/ATK ranks low on the list. In the meantime, I'll not be ashamed to use what we have, and am glad there are those taking advantage of the system the devs have given us.
Yikes, and my apologies for the double post. Had no idea how long that got until I went to read it =p.
It all can be summed up very neatly. Entertainer classes do not get the abilities and things to make them really fun until master, or close to it. They also take a ridiculously long time to get there compared to other classes.
I don't think so. As an entertainer, you will do the same thing all over, master or not: press buttons to flourish and create a show. There is no change in playstyle when you hit master. The exception might be buffing.
In order to get the XP necessary to advance in a reasonable amount of time, you have to find a group of 20 somewhere. This:
a) nullifies any tips you'll make.
If the rest of the group is AFK, your tips will drop to zero. If your group is active and actually doing a group activity, tips will skyrocket. Every time I was in an organized group of dancers in a line doing synced basic bandflourishes ( something every novice entertainer can do ), people were tipping very generous. Mostly because some have never seen what dancing is supposed to be: a fun group activity instead of hanging with a bunch of bots scattered across the dancefloor.
b) makes for a pretty boring experience.
See above. Sure, with Macrotainers it's boring as hell. But it's boring becausethe majority of them is macrotaining, not the other way round.
c) makes it so it's not worth going outside of the biggest cantinas until you'rea master.
Indeed. Why would you want to, it's where the fun is to be found. Normally, without Macrotainers.
d) makes it so that masters are really the only ones who have a viable way of making money as a dancer, since they are the only ones who can viably work alone for extended periods of time.
I have had good tips alone in cantinas as master entertainer. This doesn't take too long, I have seen people master it in 2 days ATK. It took me a lot longer, but dancer isn't getting you phat money, even at master. Buffing is nice because we can actually charge up front. But it's not going to make you rich, at least not by other non-entertainer standards.
I am a dancer because I enjoy it. I love the animations and watching my character.
Thats the spirit 
Yet Ijust plain do not understand the indignation over AFK entertainers; the professions suck to level up. [...]The biggest problem with entertainers is NOT AFK people. It's the fact that in order to progress in a timely manner, you have to be in the largest group possible.You're not viable in asmall band, oreven fun to watch alone until you'reclose to master.
If the profession sucks when leveling, it will suck at master. Noone will notice if you can heal someone faster. Exotic4 will only be cool for a day or two and start to look like any other dance after that. Master is the same thing as Novice Entertainer: pressing buttons to make your toon create a show.
Have you ever danced in a group ? I don't mean joined a group of people who were all dancing. Thats easy and boring. Go into a cantina, yell invite and there you go. But have you actually done your dancing as a group ? Line up, do basic and bandflos. That looks great. And it comes for free with novice entertainer. You have the whole dancefloor in the cantina to use for your small group. Ever did a couple dancing of formal ? In dress and frock ?Wow. Looks great.
To sum it up, indeed, stumbling in on a group of 19 uncaring macrotainers who are dressed in whatever they found and scattered all over the dancefloor wherever they started, dancing a hotchpotch mixture of every dance available to a tune of SW1 from 4 instruments not in sync that stand motionless between the dancers... yes, that's boring as hell. For entertainers AND patrons.
Coming into a cantina to do some sync dancing with 4 fellow dancers dressed alike on a clean dancefloor, maybe with a band gathered in a corner doing SW2, is great fun. And my best guess is it would even get tips because people would be overwhelmed and think it's something very special. It's not. It's what entertaining could be for everyone.
The difference in those scenarios are macrobots and people who grind thinking master is some magical event where somehow dancing changes style. Both scenarios are possible by starting on a new server and buying novice entertainer ( maybe not the SW2 band from the start, but the rest ).It's up to US to make that happen. I'm convinced 90% of the macrobots don't even know you can do something as in scenario 2 in this game system. Yet it's entertainer basics. You cannot entertain with the bunch on the dancefloor today, because they don't know what entertaining means. And how should they learn it when they aren't there. I have had many marksman ask me about what this or that shot does. I have never seen an AFK-Bot ask what bandflourish is.
Grouping is not only accepting the invite. If people group for a krayt hunt, it's not like they all accept the invite, put themselves on follow, go afk and expect the group leader to kill the beast. Group activity means the whole group has to be active. Thats a very basic principle of online gaming and it applies to entertainers as well. If the whole group wants it to be fun, it will be fun even if the krayt beats you all. If people don't care, it's doomed to fail. And macrobots are the perfectionists idea of uncaring people.
Lots of heated debate of the macro idea.
I'm a master dancer. I danced my little butt off, without macros. I learned macros. I use them. I use macros while i'm afk.
While I am at work, I macro dance as a SERVICE to my guild at my own cantina.
How you get to master dancer is your own choice. I dont look at AFK dancers as pathetic or ruining the profession. Those macro-dancers are just really really eager to be Master Dancers. Whats wrong with that? Most dont stay master dancers.
Once you get Master Dancer, what then? I could care less about how someone got to Master Dancer. That doesn't affect me. Doesn't make my position in the world any more or less important. I spent hours manually flourishing in the cantina. I also macro'd towards the end, once I figured out how to do it. I macrod and talked to folks. Macroing itself isn't wrong.
Do you know I macro and actually talk to people? I use macros to play choreographed dances.. or my highest dance.. for mind buffs.. I macro so I can interact with people more. So I can chat up the clients, find out tidbits of information, and maintain the social network that makes this game so vital.
If you AFK macro, you're missing out on fun. It is not the destination one should focus on, but the journey. 80% of my friends currently were made while I was grinding my hips for chump-change to save up for that first exotic leotard.
So, please.. let those that wanna AFK macro do thier thing. They'll be In and Out of the Dancer profession in no time. Concider that the person may be really really eager to be a Master Dancer in order to fill out a roleplaying scheme. I was one of those. I ground Dancer hard and fast. Doing it manually actually didn't allow for the time to sit back and just chat with folks. I was too busy hitting buttons to spend time talking a great deal.
I rushed to get to Master Dancer, and have kept it ever since.. wont give it up, and enjoy it as an integral part of my character.
Again. I dont care how you got to be a Dancer. Saying macroing is cheating or destroying the profession is an empty argument, as 'how' they progress as a dancer isn't as important as what the character does. Despite this horrible influx of macro dancers, oodles of afk folks.. I still see myself as the only dancer in the area. I have few competitors where I"m at.. I have my own little territory. I"m not having to beat off others with a stick, and folks actually seek me out because I'm not afk. I havea reputation, a home, returning clients, and *gasp* actually a _LIFE_ in the game.
Reaching Master Dancer isn't the end of your journey, its the beginning. What you do as a Master.. how you use the skills.. Thats where the real game begins.