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Thread: Sorry to burst your bubble.
Sevardos wrote:
PhoenixStar wrote:
Erawia_D wrote:
PhoenixStar wrote:
What I'm seeing right now is a couple of people who agree trying to shut out those who don't agree so it sounds as if everyone here is in agreement. I don't back down from flames and flames are coming from both sides myself included. The more people try to shut out those who do not agree, the louder I'll get until both sides of the argument are heard and something we can all agree on occurs. Quick fixes do not fix anything and since this hasn't even had time to register with many, it's definately a quick fix. If it's such a good idea I'm sure they could wait and hear opinions from many before dumping it on us.
Phoenixstar, you have certainly changed your mind from when you were from what I can gather, fighting against the changes imposed on the Creature Handler profession. What happened between now and back then? You made a specific post about the "nerf whiners"; this was one of your paragraphs:
Pheonixstar wrote
Note: I do not mean that voicing your opinion is wrong at all. Voicing an opinion one time and going back to play the game is fine. Spamming, and rallying support to try and change the game to fit your own wants is wrong. The devs are trying to make the game appealing to the largest amount of people, not a small minority who visit the forums. Voice your opinion(s) and let the devs decide. If your opinions are valid, they shouldn't need the support of others, they should be able to support themselves and the devs will decide if they agree or not.
With that said, I'm going to retire from these forums. They take the fun out of the game for me. I only came to try and stop people from screaming nerf, but it's not going to stop. Hopefully the devs will continue to ignore the immature players, and will keep looking out for mature opinions that may improve gameplay for all. I'm having fun, and I hope everyone who intends to stay for the long haul is having fun too.
CLEARLY, the DEVS have AGREED with the entertainers. The devs have stated AFK play won't be supported! I'm sure SoE knows exactly how many accounts are alt accounts (simple db search, cmon now), and can tell you exactly how many of them run entirely AFK.
If you look, you'll find out how long removing AFK from our profession has been on the wish list, and you find so much written about why.
As you yourself once wrote,
1.You don't understand how the (creature handler) system works...I'm not going to bother explaining it again because you'll just ignore it and keep posting ignorance..
That's how I feel about all the "i won't be able to get buffed, buffbots don't hurt anyone" posts.
I don't post this to be inflammatory; i post this in the hope that you might see some small parallel with your own prior situation, and give entertainers a little benefit of the doubt regarding their views on a profession they do every time they log online.
Oh, and BTW, i do recognize the potential that player cities have, and would like to see a way for those cantinas to meet some of the need for entertainer services. However, nothing has harmed entertainers more then the ability to macro our whole profession.
1) I really must ask this, is there something wrong with you? You seriously went back and read my posts from the first month of the game? That's just creepy.
2) Don't ask me how something I posted a year ago relates to a totally different issue today, I'm not even going to read it. The fact that you did that makes me sick to my stomach, I feel like I'm dealing with one of those net stalkers. I know there's a find all posts link, but seriously to take the time and sift through them to try to use a year old post against me. That's just creepy. Next you'll find my name and tell me you're coming to my house right? Ugh. Please don't reply to me again, seriously.
I'm not joking, you've seriously disgusted me. I don't know if you did that to knowingly disturb me but that is seriously just wrong.
Nice deflection board tactic. Obvious ... but a good one. The 'sick to my stomach' part was a little overly dramatic though.
Just because the person clearly uncovered you for being a hypocrite, doesn't make the person 'creepy'. You should read what you wrote and take your own advice.
::::: waits for more back peddle denials and pulls out the popcorn :::::::
Please - continue. This is fascinating lol.
Sevardos wrote:
Keaka26 wrote:
Haha, on Bloodfin, average prices seem to actually be 20-25k per swoop these days anyways. I swear, some people are sooo cheap. I sell those X-34s at 12k, and people try to haggle me down to like 7K. I just have to laugh. Funny thing is they ALWAYS say , "I have someone who can make it for me for 7K." I say, "Either youre getting a favor, youre lying, or the person selling is a moron. Which is it?" Then I usually go on to explain to the (usually a noob) person how much resources it takes to make one. And they usually say "OMG, now I know why they sell for so much $$$!"
Anyways, to the above poster...Well, you're just a greedy **edit**. I mean really,can there be such a thing as to help people out? No one has ever given you anything for free or cheap before? No wonder you sound so self centered. Karma man...Even if its not, when you help people out, many times they remember.
For example, I met someone the other day, who was an old school launch player, who had just returned from a long break on the game. He asked me for some help, and we talked for a while about whats new in the game and whatnot. About a week later, he dropped me a tip for 100,000 credits. The only thing I gave him, besides an update was a reinforced combat staff lol.
Point is, good deeds and just being nice does have rewards. Not every payout comes in the way of 5 creds per unit sales. Not to mention, you can barely sell the things at that price anyways. You obviously know nothing about economy either, since if just about everyone else sells at around 3cpu, chances are, the guy selling for 5 wont get too much business.
What the heck does that have to do with what I was talking about genius? Did I say that people are excluded from doing good deeds? Have I personally given out free bikes on occassion to new players? ... yes.I was commenting on claiming that people price that way to 'help' people - that isa load of dung. If you truely want to be the good deed holy crusader, then go all the way and do it for cost. Don't try to use that argument to hide the fact that you're just another clueless lemming who can't grasp the simple concept that you're selling the bike cheaper than you can sell the resources to make it. I'm going to repeat this .... you're selling the final product for less than selling the resources to make it. One more time so that it all sinks in ... the resources you use to make the bike? Ya, well ... sell them on the open market and you'll make more money than if you used those same resources to make the bike and then sold it.
High SR resources sell for more than 3 cpu. If you're using grind resources then thats a different topic - you're also making sub-par quality bikes. In fact, I'm betting you're not even telling the person it's low quality. And I've already mentioned the value of high quality bikes in my previous response.
I'm the guy selling for 5 cpu (37.5K swoops)- and I sell a lot of bikes at 90-95% quality using resources that are 900+ SR.The only time I sell for less is if its a failure and I'll drop the price to 20K so that I can unload it quickly.
I probably average about 15(15 to 20) swoopsa week (excluding AV21's). If you're selling at 20K price point, you'd have to sell almost twice as many bikes to match the same revenue in sales however,yes - you are selling more bikes. Lets compare shall we genius?
I sell 15 @ 37.5K. - profit, 30K (rounded)
You sell35 @ 20K - profit 12.5K (rounded)
- lets assume, for sake of argument, resources cost 1 cpu which includes a combination of mined and bought resources
Now, you're right - you are selling more bikes than I am (35 vs 15).Who's making more revenue? You are again - I will sell 562.5K worth of bikes versus your 700K. Looks like you're doing better than I am doesn't it. But wait, what about theprofit margin? Lets see... I'll make 450K versus your .... 437.5K.
Therefore, you're having to sell 2.3 bikes to my 1 bike to make the same profit. Who doesn't haven't the grasp on economics? (btw, its not really an economics discussion and more market pricing profitability & price elasticity models, but lets not confuse things).
You're confusingeconomy with the panic,lemming factor thats happens in every gaming economy. Artisan A has bikes on their vendor at 5 cpu. While walking through Coronet,Artisan Asees some yahoo /yelling bikes at a ridicoulous price. Artisan A panics, runs to his vendors, drops all his prices, runs back to Coronet and starts yelling the same price (or lower) as the yahoo. Artisan C see's both yahoos and runs to be a yahoo to. That doesn't change the fact that if Artisan A didn't panic, he'd still sell roughly the same amount of bikes.
After all that, lets not forget the fact that I can sell the resources (high SR) for 5 cpu and not even bother making the bikes in the first place.
As I mentioned previously, its your $$$ to SOE and free to do whatever you wish. I was commenting more on the BS holier-than-though notion that was floating around that they do it to 'help' people.Its more that they just want to sell fast and either have (a) no clue whether they can make more or (b) think they actually ARE making more credits that way.
One more thing, the market for bikes is NOT new players anyways. Since the repair exploitfix, I sell mostly to existing players who keep getting bikes incapacitated and want higher quality for that reason.
Erawia_D wrote:
BrynnQel-Droma wrote:
Azhnykk wrote:
Bottom line is this. The CM would not be able to take on a group. Jedi can do that.
I find it terribly amusing that the very argument against CM's before patch 9 was that they could take out a group. The names change over time, but the arguments remain the same.
No, they don't remain the same.
1. The jedi have the STUPID frs that gives them the same amount of xp for a group of non-jedi as it does for defeating jedi.
2. The jedi are DISCOURAGED from fighting other jedi, as they ALL KNOW FORCERUN is a saviour and makes defeating other Jedi near impossible. ITS POSTED IN THEIR OWN FORUM. GO READ IT.
This leads to the following:
Why have a half hour battle with another jedi forcerunning all the time when you can go wipe a novice TKM off the map in 10 seconds for the same amount of XP?
Thank you again, devs, for sending the Jedi off to clear out the ranks of the non-melee professions in the GCW. I'm glad the jedi can learn so much from slaughtering novice professionals. If this is your version of 'heating up' the GCW, then don't expect me to participate when the GCW is at a full boil.
Message Edited by Taewyn on 08-02-2004 10:25 PM
Taewyn wrote:
Kraewe some people bought this game to be in star wars...Not so they would have to get high on freaking spice to do their **edit** job. Bounty hunters are very cool controled killers....It just does not fit that char to use drugs to do his job...Weather the Game mechanics allow or not, we should have the told neccasery to do our job with the right weapons+armor.
Now I will quote what the Dev's said "A white con should almost kill you".'
Which is correct, a white con is even to you, it should be a challenge...So then why are Bounty hunter missions RED?
The thought behind this is that they are incredibly dangerous men who have these bounties right? Yes of course thats why we were sent to kill them. At the same time though are not bounty hunters, or for that matter any master combatent dangerous men? So why the difference in ham bars/damage?
Well that question is also easy...AI, a computer will almost never macth player stratagies, so from the EQ days it was found out the only way to challenge people is to make thier target stronger then themselves, forcing the player to be creative in its defeat.
Now these marks were made with knock down in mind, thats why they have ludicrous HAM....Because knock down was intensly powerful....And I agree with you it was wayyyy to strong and should probably be removed....However, the marks need to be revameped as well.
I can deal with twice as strong, I can deal with even 4 times as strong, But there is NO reason marks should be ten times stronger then the bounty hunter.
1.) There is no RP reason for it....They are not creatures or Vehicles, Thier ham bar can represent thier skill but that is not going to give them medium armor and 10k hit points.
2.) From a tactical stand point...Making things stupid hard makes combat less enjoyable....and more like EQ kiting and running, which is not what a prestigous bounty hunter should be doing.
The marks should be hard, we should have a high risk of death, but ten times harder? No....They need to be turned down to light reds or yellows.
If the marks are not toned down then we have two options....
1.) A special humanoid trap line...(This could be bad again it could unbalance PvP like knock down did)
2.) A special set of moves that work on marks. From an rp sense these moves would be tailored to kill each specific mark.
A.) Of course tailoring moves to a mark from a tech stand point is impossible to implement this, overly complex. However they could just make a mark only shot that is rather powerful, from an RP stand point this would be the physical represntation of tracking/watching (investigation) a mark...Knowing his weakness andstrengths and exploiting them.
Do marks need to be marshmellows? No
Do they need to beeasy? no
Should they even be on par? No
They should be better, But not INSANLY better then the BH....The BH should not have to be high/be a doctor/have an AT ST walker with him to take down a mark...All he should needisgreatplaying skills, his BH treee, and good weapons/tools.
Using drugs to buff your stats for an encounter sounds like freaking EQ its making the game more about going through the motions and less about skill.....Its exactly what i wanted to get away from.
PhoenixStar wrote:
I obviously am looking at this from ALL viewpoints because the majority of the fighters HATE and I do mean HATE this idea, as do all of the crafters
Message Edited by Dreamland on 08-02-2004 08:36 PM
Dreamland wrote:
yeah right it'l probably take about 3 days to beat doom 3
PhoenixStar wrote:
Dreamland wrote:
yeah right it'l probably take about 3 days to beat doom 3
brings back memories...Yep, I still stand by that 100%, for many reasons......So yep, I agree with that post 100%....And, btw, I always found a way to defeat my mark...Even if the devs had them overpowered at some point...Edit: also, way back when...As a BH I had to walk to my mark (often 6k+ meters out) and if it did not jump planets *or* if its tef was not broken (which it was 50% of the time) I was able to get 90 Bh exp...It was good times!! Raphs comments howevermade it feel like the BH profession was doomed ...Again, why would quote that verycool post?
Message Edited by Taewyn on 08-02-2004 10:43 PM
PWNT
FettKenobi wrote:
Dreamland wrote:
What has the world come to when deliberate subfirst grade spelling = a word
Chill baby. On Bria, it's all about pwnage.
But what has the world come to when we substitute symbols for words?
Peace out!
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PhoenixStar wrote:
PWNT
FettKenobi wrote:
Dreamland wrote:
What has the world come to when deliberate subfirst grade spelling = a word
Chill baby. On Bria, it's all about pwnage.
But what has the world come to when we substitute symbols for words?
Peace out!
Oqua wrote:
Tehex,
The fact that you come here to postof thistells me of you and your friends. I stood outside to fight with my guildmates when returning for their deaths, something that was spit on by yoursexy men. You mention mylife partnername yet he was trying to run back to the area constantly, being killed when he entered the area by your 20 or so sensitive guildmates.
Yet you bring up honor after what you did yesterday? I will tell you again what I told you earlier....when you learn to behave honorably then please take umbrage with others when you perceive that they don't. Until then Sir, I shall let you in on an old adage that I have found to be quite true. You lay down with dogs...you get up with fleas. If you wish to be treated honorably the quit hiding behind the gay...for in honor there is only black and white. *swet sile*
Those who know mylife partnerand myself know that my character is gay...the only time I choose to even speak is when I am forced to do so as I was tonight. I was minding my own business, outside...yet was treated rudely and accosted by at least two of your honorable men. I at least thought after our conversation you were a tad reasonable. I am saddened to find that I wasted my time conversing with someone who only saw 'his side'. Thank you though for showing me the errors of my ways. It won't happen again. Good evening to you Sir..and hopefully this will the last we shall hear about this from the likes of you and your people.
*curtsey*
Lady Oqua Alsan ~ Master Dancer and Master Tailor