Dancer Archive

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PoetDancer wrote:

Many of usbelieve its wrong that this class is based on the subjective feelings of the individual audience member.Many of uswant to be able to nameour price, and have them in the position of taking it or leaving it. And I think its an understandable feeling. But how can somebody put a price on a "/" command that costs us nothing to give?

I does cost us time. When you think about it, everything in this game boils down to a "/" command. What counts is the skill behind it and what it took to get there. It takes no more effort for a Bounty Hunter to spam eyeshot by hitting a F key to collect a bounty then it does to me to spam a flo by hitting a F key to give a guick buff.

I have an alt on another server. Master TKA / Master Creature Handler with some fencer. Solo, with all stats buffed, I can generate 500k credits an hour hunting Janta. So I am not putting a price on a "/" command.I am putting a price on what I enable them to do and the value I add with the buff I give out as a dancer.

It is in the same sense thata Weaponsmith will chargefar more for a high quality Geowith a 34% damage slice thanthe same typeweapon with a 20% speed slice ( Regardless of the fact that they came from the same factory crate and the Smuggler charged the same amount for each slice ). Someone going into combat is alot mor effective with the 34% damage slice than the 20% speed sliced geo. The same applies for buffs

Akothas points out that its a case of risk-vs-reward an since we are not at risk, we should not expect alot but that is not true.It is really a risk-vs-reward on their part and they attempt to reduce that risk via the buffs. My dancer does not fight Kimos. I have no need for a mind buff, I can't even buff my own mind so the ability is not for me, it is for everyone else.

Alsothe need for the reduction of riskis so greatthat the owners of buffbotsfeel that paying forsecond accounts for buffbots are justified.

Akothas, was/is there an entry fee for Baciacca's buffbot? Every buffbot I've seen set up in a home like thts had a fee to enter and it wasn't tatally out of the goodness of their heart. It was done as a lucrutive way to generate cash.

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Luxasia wrote:

I totally see the other side of the issue. There is no reason for them to be taking up space and XP in a public cantina when other dancers are there and willing and able to take care of people. Butby the same token, buffbots are useful for someone who owns a private cantina and wants to provide a service to their customers. It would be great if the dev's could find some middle ground, like banning looping macros in public city cantinas and giving players the option to toggle it on or off in their own personal cantinas.

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Let's wrap up some points here:

• No Macros other than in Player Structures


• Lag reduced in large cities like Coronet


• Player Cities recieve an increase in traffic


• Fewer Ghost Towns


• Possible increase in Player City citizens


• Other cantinas open up to Live entertainment only, great places for new Players to get tips from long time ents


• Live players can give Buffs in permanent cantinas


• Everyone happy, if not inconvienced a bit.

Don't you hate running into a cantina only to find it empty?

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psycocat wrote:

Let's wrap up some points here:

• No Macros other than in Player Structures


• Lag reduced in large cities like Coronet


• Player Cities recieve an increase in traffic


• Fewer Ghost Towns


• Possible increase in Player City citizens


• Other cantinas open up to Live entertainment only, great places for new Players to get tips from long time ents


• Live players can give Buffs in permanent cantinas


• Everyone happy, if not inconvienced a bit.

Don't you hate running into a cantina only to find it empty?

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No, everybody would not be happy. Beleieve it or not you are not the first person to come up with that idea. Unfortunately it does not solve the problem. The perception that buffs are free remains. The perception that entertainers are worthless trash to be put down and treated like dirt because they dont have to put in any effort to succeed remains.

I know exactly what would happen on Bria. Someone would set up a house 800m from coronet, plunk briha in it. It would take all of 3 days for word to get out on brihas location, and thats the end of story. You wouldn't see anyone in coronet cantina ever again. You wouldn't see anyone populating the player city cantinas either.

I don't know why the people using bots have the idea that they are forced to talk to me in order to get a buff. 99.9% of the buff sessions I perform go just like this.

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Patron: Can you buff me?

Me: One moment please, (drink acaragm), ok please start watcing now.

(players hands start clapping. Setperform, start flourishing, set timer for 3 minutes. All on hotbar takes about 5 seconds.)

Me: ok it will be about 3 minutes

(optional dialogue branch, happens about 5% of the time) player: how much do i owe for this?[] me: I just ask that people tip what's fair (player tips random amount) [] me: thank you

(3 minutes later) ok you are ready go ahead and stop watching now and you should get a full buff,

(optional dialogue branch, happens 50% of the time) Player: thank you.

(player walks out)

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Now does that sound like being forced to talk to a vain primadonna to you? If it's obvious the person wants to talk which happens ocasionaly a conversaion occurs, often times cantina patrons would ask for game advice. Which i am happy to give and they are usualy happy to get. I see myself more like a bartender at this point. The notion that the entertainer is some rabid socialiser wanting to force you to have your ear talked off by them to get your buff is a false one. It's pretty easy to tell if a customer is interested in talking to you.

Getting back on track theanswer to your question is no, everyone would not be happy. The problem remians and always has been that the unatended player demeans us and creates a hostile attitude towards us. Putting them somewhere else does not change that. It's simple as pie for me, i'll be happy when the unatended player is gone completely and no sonner, as both a dancer and assomeone that participates in combat as well. Now there are ways to make other people happy in the process such as adjusting bf healing, enhancing our abilities, but get it through your mind that we are not going to accept you being a buffbot as a solution. Ever.

Put simply somepeople will not be happy until they do not have to ever see the face of a non combat character period in order to engage in combat. There are people starting petitions and complaining about the wounds they get when ejecting in JTL already. And the wounds don't even effect them in space. Your buffbot customers would write you off just like that and forget you ever existed if they didnt want mind buffs anymore, and breath a sigh of relief that they don't have to come to you either.

Message Edited by Dreamland on 11-14-2004 11:02 AM

Message Edited by Dreamland on 11-14-2004 11:04 AM

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psycocat wrote:

/shrug

I just hope then that I don't lose my macros.

I like mine (most are for saying things, not grinding), and I have fun with them.

No I don't use them much but there they are.

I also use them as note pads. Very convenient.

They transfer between characters on an account too, so are handy for pasing info in game.

Yah I think buff bots ought to go.

but so should much of this discussion. It is beating up the same stuff with no good conclusion.

THe only solution I can think of isto be rid/join or macros.

ok shutting up now.

Message Edited by psycocat on 11-14-2004 12:28 PM

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A group of us went and performed outside Theed starport tonight on Corbantis. We were well to the side with 6 dancers synch dancing, two musicians, and a droid. We were doing it for fun, no spam, no watch me, no nothing. After about 30 minutes here comes some childish combat templater and drops vehicles and pets on top of us. Then starts cussing and telling us to get combat skills. Being stupid I armor up and call him to duel, I am master rifle but PvE only. So uber dude, template stacker appears to ignore the duel and keeps talking till he is close then suddenly accepts and hits with a TK/DZ. Nice guy DB's me, no biggie I'm rich and insured. I return and start offering to duel again, of course now I know he is a chicken and sneak so he refuses. He cuses us, he laughs that we spend 15 a month to play music and dance, he creates havoc in general.

You want to know why I don't care if you can't find an entertainer at your beck and call and I am tired of being treated like an NPC because of buff bots? Well there you go. Thats what happens when we go out in public and try to enjoy this game in a different way. You know how many people stood up for us? Even though a good crowd watched and cheered us performing there wasn't one outside our own group who did a thing. You are willing to be entertained as long as we stay in our place. Well good riddence to buff bots, camp bots, doc bots, and every other unattended play style. Then when someone acts like this putting them on /deny will have some affect on their game time like they have on ours.

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LyteFoot wrote:
A group of us went and performed outside Theed starport tonight on Corbantis. We were well to the side with 6 dancers synch dancing, two musicians, and a droid. We were doing it for fun, no spam, no watch me, no nothing. After about 30 minutes here comes some childish combat templater and drops vehicles and pets on top of us. Then starts cussing and telling us to get combat skills. Being stupid I armor up and call him to duel, I am master rifle but PvE only. So uber dude, template stacker appears to ignore the duel and keeps talking till he is close then suddenly accepts and hits with a TK/DZ. Nice guy DB's me, no biggie I'm rich and insured. I return and start offering to duel again, of course now I know he is a chicken and sneak so he refuses. He cuses us, he laughs that we spend 15 a month to play music and dance, he creates havoc in general.

You want to know why I don't care if you can't find an entertainer at your beck and call and I am tired of being treated like an NPC because of buff bots? Well there you go. Thats what happens when we go out in public and try to enjoy this game in a different way. You know how many people stood up for us? Even though a good crowd watched and cheered us performing there wasn't one outside our own group who did a thing. You are willing to be entertained as long as we stay in our place. Well good riddence to buff bots, camp bots, doc bots, and every other unattended play style. Then when someone acts like this putting them on /deny will have some affect on their game time like they have on ours.

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Yeah, pretty much every entertainer event i have attended in my history has been marked by someone taking the time to tell us how pathetic we are for doing it. One time someone even tried to report the event for causing lag in the starport with useless entertaining. It gets pretty hard to keep a stif upper lip after a while. At first it seems cut and dry. As im sure many people will step in and say here, "just ignroe them, there are jerks" Well after getting it time and time and time again, with reporting it to customer service being ignored. You realy start to get discouraged. Particulairly when they have no problem championing the rights of the buffbots to not be disturbed.

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Isleh wrote:

Baciacca said that he won't be effected by the elimination of looping macros. Not leaving it to rest as just an idle boast,I've been testing and I think he may be right. Using an alias to string a bunch of / commands together and then a single, non-looping macro, I can keep my character from loggong out for a full day (server up to server down) doing a Flo every 30 seconds.

Using a couple of aliases and macros, I think it would be possible for him to create several huge macros that could keep a buffbot going for several hours If not a full day.

Sooooo......

We've all used macros to keep us from auto logging out. What I think SOE needs to do and we as players need to accept is to stop macros from stopping us from going auto afk and then auto logging us out. That way, superlong macro & aliases or looping macro cannot prevent a buffbot from logging out unless the buffbot owner takes action ATK.

I've got my timer set for 30 min.. That should be long enough and if it isn't, then maybe I should log because obviously, Iam needed elswhere.

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Those are all things that came up in the discussion before and Panthu brought to the devs attention. The very first thing the buffbots did was saunter in quite proud of themselves talking about how they already had it all worked out.

They don't already have it worked out, because noone even knows how they plan to fix it yet. It is all based on assumption.

Speaking of asumption no we have not all used a macro to keep us from logging out. Just like we have not ALL afk'ed at some time.

Message Edited by psycocat on 11-14-2004 12:28 PM

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nahva wrote:

Who wants to wait around to find, or become friends with someone that is buffing. Not I.. At the keyboard or away from the keyboard, doesnt matter to me, and there are actually alot of people that feel the same way about afk bots in this game. Most of us couldnt care, and fortunately for the people that need to be buffed and don't feel like RP'n it up to get a buff there are people that dedicate their characters to BuffBot'ing.

Woot!!! Vivala BuffBots!!!

/flameshield on

/sticktounge out

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/grabtounge

• I dropped in the trade outpost on dath yesterday to get my next pilot mission.


• I had my master dancer title up.


• Someone asked if I could give them a mind buff.


• I said "Sure! and before you ask, whatever you feel like tipping".


• Less the 4 min later,his group and I were both on our way.