Dancer Archive

Thread: Dancer/Musician 30 sec. speed buff Macro

Echinacea
Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:59 am
#40





MovieMania007 wrote:

I believe they intended the buff to be reduced to +15-24% from the 8 min mark. With a Bio-Enhanced T'ssolok, the tbuff time could bre reduced to 4 minutes from 8.


...expect Dancer/Musicians, like every Master Doc to invest in their trade by purchasing buffs to help increase speed time there for increasing their bank account





The problem with T'ssolok is that the customer has to drink it. Not the performer. This makes it completely useless, as most people getting a mind buff from a performer also use Vasarian Brandy, in my experience.


I also think the 3 minute, 10 second buff, while taking the system to its extreme limit, is perfectly valid. So that's how I buff. I use Accarragam to do it if I don't have doctor enhancements to my Action/Quickness/Stamina.


I don't do the 30 second buff for two reasons:



  1. I think it's utilizing the system in a manner not intended, and thus constitutes an exploit even if the developers can't be bothered to say so

  2. My system is technically below spec for playing the game, and since the calls to perform actions are coming from my client, I lag too badly to do this effectively

I would hope that if it is an unintended manner of buffing, it'll be fixed somehow. Perhaps as with Surveying, where one can't re-start surveying for a delayed period after initiating it.


That would require someone on the development team paying attention to The Girlfriend Professions™, though, and that's not allowed. Well, the Image Designers get some love soon, because the art team is on the ball.



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Wokka
Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:42 am
#41

Ok this is just wrong. It HAS to be an exploit. I tried it last night without any action buffs, just normal. it ran, my action went away and Idid a /dump to stop it.


I'm not a master dancer yet so I didn't expect mindx2 for 2 hours. I asked my victim (volunteer) what happened, she said 450 mind for 1 hour duration. My macro ran for 3 seconds. I would say to get that kind of a buff in about 3 secs was unintended. But then again, the cost to me was all of my action bar, so I do not see this as "free money" or "something for nothing".


I logged in my regular character on Live and went to the cantina for BF healing. There were spammers in there charging 8k for a full dance and music buff in 45 seconds. This has already gotten out of hand, look forward to it being changed (nerfed, whatever).


Wokka-wokka
NewJedi
Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:37 am
#42






Wokka wrote:

Ok this is just wrong. It HAS to be an exploit.... This has already gotten out of hand, look forward to it being changed (nerfed, whatever).


Wokka-wokka





I've been wondering which way entertainer opinion leans on this one. One of your fellow dancers just posted in the Musician forum in favor of the speedbuff. I'm pretty sure that non-entertainers love it, but does it undermine our professions by turning us into instabuff bots? Ordinarily I'd start a Musician poll on such an issue, but in this case I'm really trying to get some "statement of policy" out of the devs so that we know whether any form of the speedbuff is acceptable to them.


Luxasia
Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:16 pm
#43


I have just started using this method, and it works great! But if they take it out later, well thats fine too. I don't mind having a captive audience for 8 mins. While it is still here, I just thought I would add my two cents. I heard of a way to get rid of the jumpy wierd animation. All you do is write the macro with the wrong stop command. If it is the dancer buff, then put stop music. If it is the music buff, put stop dance. Either way, the computer will say you are not doing Blank, but it will still have the same effect as stopping you as far as the buff is concerned. The patron still gets the spammed text, but not the choppy movements or sound! Looks much more like we know what we are doing! And nownobody will grab a priest and a cross!





Andrice Askoa, Master Dancer
Owner of Angels in the Clouds Cantina
Cloud City, Dantooine
Zorcroft
Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:22 am
#44

I'm all for any "technique" that allows entertainers a chance to compete with the new mind-enhancing chef foods.


As it is right now, most people would rather pop a brandy/fishak/bluemilk and a muon than wait 7-10 minutes for an entertainer mind buff. Our ability to buff mind is our one "marketable" skill and the thing that makes us valuable. The latest chef revamp has put a serious hurt on the value that players are placing on our services. I'm all for chefs having a greater role in the game but I definately feel that the new mind foods..especially brandy...are extremely detrimental to our profession.


If the devs do decide that the 30 second compressed mind buff macro is an exploit and decide to nerf it I would hope that they'd give serious consideration to SERIOUSLY reducing the time it takes us to deliver a full mind buff. At master dancer or master musician I would think that anything beyond 2 minutes is much too long considering that it only takes someone 7 seconds to consume two brandy......





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Kitachiira
Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:15 am
#45










Wokka wrote:


I logged in my regular character on Live and went to the cantina for BF healing. There were spammers in there charging 8k for a full dance and music buff in 45 seconds. This has already gotten out of hand, look forward to it being changed (nerfed, whatever).


Wokka-wokka





I do the buff for a minute to make sure and I don't charge 8k. I charge 3k. I'm not going to charge for 8 minutes of time if I'm not using it but I will charge a bit for the convenience of a quick buff. Some docs charge 8k , some charge 12k for buffs. If people didn't want to pay that amount they wouldn't. If these dancers didn't get any customers charging those prices, they would lower it.


Like I said before though, if the devs decide to change it, that's no problem with me. I happy either way.


Luxasia
Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:26 am
#46

I don't see it as undermining our profession, I think it helps us out. Lots of people know we can buff, but they think it takes too long. So now we can do it quick and get them out there to fight faster. Although I have found that now that it takes less time, they stick aroud to talk for a while! Most people are really grateful that we found a quicker way, and so am I. Now I have more time to work on my cantina or my combat skills



Andrice Askoa, Master Dancer
Owner of Angels in the Clouds Cantina
Cloud City, Dantooine
CAWCAW
Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:49 pm
#47

One of my lady friends is pure entertainer -- Master Musician, Master Dancer, Master Entertainer. I've spoken with her about it. She too felt that it was too eploitish, and resisted using it until just recently. But now she feels she has to do it as well, after watching people stop coming to her for buffs and going to others advertising they can do the 30s buff. Buffing is her primary source of income, so it's either 1) don't do it and watch her customers go elsewhere or 2) do the 30 second buffs.

If they do decide to do something about this, I really hope they only 'nerf' it and don't ban people that have used the 30second buff. Buffing someone in 30seconds is hardly gamebreaking. It would be a shame to see her get banned for doing something that she's been forced into.
nismo625
Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:57 pm
#48

I have used the speed buff a number of times already, and try not to use it unless someone is in a hurry to get somewhere ie. faction raids. It also seems to lessen the actual "performance" as you're just spamming a macro very quickly. Even when performing thefastest non-"exploit" buffing possible it will still take me 8 minutes total to buff people,as I will be doing dance/music buffs. I'm pretty suremost peopledo not wish to spend that much time waiting in line for a buff, that is not necessary given the new chef food(brandy/canape= ~800mind/2400focus/2400will).


All that is needed would be to either lower the time for both buffs by somewhere around 50%, or increase the buff duration close to doctor buffs(3-3.5hours). This would make dancer/music buffs more usefull and appealing to everyone.





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Luxasia
Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:03 am
#49





I don't think anyone should be banned for using it. If the devs take it out, or give us an officialstatement saying its an exploit, then i t should no longer be used. But they should not punish anyone who has used it. They should take into account that every holotainer on the planet is using a quick way to master our chosen profession, why should we not have a quick way to use the profession we love and enjoy?



Andrice Askoa, Master Dancer
Owner of Angels in the Clouds Cantina
Cloud City, Dantooine
piezo
Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:42 pm
#50

wow, works like a charm. thanks for the info



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NewJedi
Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:54 am
#51

OK, my impression so far is that most of you Dancers like the speed buffs. Judging from the traffic in the Musician forum, I guess it's fair to say most of my "constituents" (Musicians) do too.


Still no reply from the devs on whether they are working as intended.
KandeeKane
Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:11 pm
#52

I love the fast dance macro. I've been doing the 30 second mind buffs for a few weeks now. And it works just as well when I buff entire groups. The only thing I haven't seen mentioned in this post is that the dancer needs to have his/her quickness buffed before starting the macro(at least that's how I get it to work). I always group the person(s) to be buffed; I rarely use the /setperform command. I start exotic 4,instruct person(s) toput me on watch, perform macro for 30 secs, then instruct person(s) to take me off of watch. I never charge for mind buffs but always accept tips.
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