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Cendatinea

Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:13 am

kirah_ashlin wrote:

Now -regarding the gloom and doom "sandbox" outlook- what's up with that? Should we all just give it up and cancel our accounts rightnow? I might not be thrilled with what is happening with the CU. I might not understand how it will affect our gameplay and fun. I might find my feelings about the game running hot and cold on a daily basis, for that matter. However, it is far more easy to buy into a negative outlook than a positive one. I am, personally, tired of being part of the "woe-is-me" choir. I'm going to have as much fun with this game as I can for as long as I find it fun. And that would be my suggestion for all of us.

Hear! Hear!

I do not deny that changes are coming, that would just be deliberate blindness. But neither will I jump to conclusions or make assumptions about what is coming without first seeing everything that is coming. I still VERY strongly believe there is stuff going on behind the scenes that we just don't know about.

I mean, think about it. Dancers are receiving new dances, the musicians are getting new songs. They are removing things like falling and the switch out timer. Why bother to put these changes in unless you plan to keep the profession around. There are the nay sayers that will claim it is "to placate us" but remember, SOE is a business. Why devote the money and man hours to something you intend to kill off anyway? It just doesn't make good business sense.

Now, yes, I know some will say that SOE does stuff that doesn't make good business sense, but looking at things from a logical standpoint instead of one of passion, this puzzle has missing pieces that we just haven't been handed yet. I refuse to make any decisions about whether the CURB will ultimately be bad or good for the profession until I see some more of the pieces, because as it stands, I don't have enough of the puzzle to decipher the picture yet and what may look like alemon to some could end up a nice lemon meringue.

Ok, sorry, food analogies, I am hungry, hehe. Anyway, while I am upset about the loss of the mind wounds, in all honesty, BF is the money maker anyway, it takes so much longer to heal and, frankly, any TK with meditation 4 can heal their own mind wounds, or just find a jedi. As a character with a TKM alt, I go to entertainers for my BF healing A LOT. Anything over 250 harms a buff, anything over 400 and I feel it in combat in a big way. Try walking around at 3am (ah, beloved insomnia) with BF or 600 and no entertainers (I refuse to watch/listen to bots)...life sucks in a big way.

We are keeping BF, meaning we are keeping BF healing. This is a good thing.

We will be getting the ability to apply minor buffs in a new setup where even a minor buff can be the difference between life and death and whether or not that special can be used at the right time or whether you use your default attack and fall on your face. This is also a good thing.

Bottom line: I will wait until I know more before I jump on a bandwagon and in the meantime, will enjoy the game I have. When I see something that I think warrants an outcry, I'll be there making a fuss, but I won't make a ruckus unless I know more.

Lady Derianadai Hirunmil
"If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands."
Passing out tackle hugs to the whole galaxy!

Esharra

Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:26 am

#41

Cendatinea wrote:

I mean, think about it. Dancers are receiving new dances, the musicians are getting new songs. They are removing things like falling and the switch out timer. Why bother to put these changes in unless you plan to keep the profession around.

These improvements that are coming our way are consistent with the pattern of affecting changes that "do no harm" but are things players have asked about for quite some time. A non-dancer example is the increased storage per lot. I'm sure everyone can think of many more that have come in the last few publishes. It is our turn.

But no..we're not going anywhere. I've no idea what the dev's plans are for replacing the functionalities that may be going away but they indicated that there are plans (TH's posts) and those have not been finalized. Rather than freak out about what we *think* we're losing, I'd prefer that we enjoy what we're gaining in the short term. Things will change.But honestly, how many of us have been 100% satisfied with the status quo?

Esharra ěsh-äŕ-rä, noun
1. Entertainer
2. Bounty Hunter
3. Smuggler

"One man's oddity is another man's routine." -Bertos Goodner (a dancer)

Ikewe

Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:21 am

#42

I think the reason I find it hard to remain optimistic or hopeful is because I don't get the impression there is much of an actual plan when I read the devs posts. TH responded to a question about what was going to happen to all theSEA, etc.. clothing that people had spent time and millions of credits to aquire. The answer was (paraphrased) "this is one of the things we're looking into. We're going to take these questions back to the team and work out how the changes will be implemented". Now my first thought is, so you don't have a plan already because either you didn't think of it or you haven't been able to work out a plan that wont just screw any players who had these SEAs. It's the lack of vision or goal that's making myself and other entertainers depressed. We've been told that despite the fact that we have skills called "healing" and despite the fact that we thought of ourselves as healers, we aren't in fact healers. So we asked and asked and asked and asked some more "so what are we". And the response was " ". That makes it seem like those who are in charge of providing our coding to allow us to take our characters on a fun adventure don't have the faintest idea. When I bought this game I was drawn by a few things including (straight from the back of the box) "Follow your own path with a skill-based advancement system, which accomodates your style of play, whether you become a bounty hunter or a dancer or a merchant or even a Jedi". I used my 250 SP to create a very fun character for me. Now I have no idea what she will have to become in order to keep making a meaningful contribution to the GCW or to help her friends. So I am left thinking the worst, simply because I've become conditioned to expect the worst. The supposed release for the CURB isa mere 2.5 - 3 months away. In game design and development terms that's not a lot of time. It's one of the most radical changes to be made to SWG and we have no solid information on what will become of our characters when it is released. We need information plain and simple. If we aren't healers, what are we? Will our skill mods be useless for us after the CU, yes or no? Will I be forced to choose to drop scout or novice medic in order to remain a Master Dancer andMaster Rifles, yes or no? These shouldn't be difficult questions to get answers to at this stage of the game. The fact that they are, fills me with dread.

Silence is not golden. Please Devs, tell us your vision of the entertainer professions so we can decide if it fits our vision and either be happy with it or move on.

cheers,

Ikewe

Ikewe, Master Dancer, Shadowfire

When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor.

kirah_ashlin

Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:12 am

#43

/bow Scip

Well said. Thanks.

Sunjammer

Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:00 pm

#44

See, this is what I find so confusing. I didn't say one single word about performing. I talked about BF healing. Is BF healing not also a support role? Is it not also something that other players want that we offer, thereby requiring interdependancy?

I don't mean to single you out specifically, and I'm not attacking you. When I say I'm confused, I mean it literally -- I don't understand. Among all the unhappiness I've seen only one single post that has even mentioned battle fatigue at all. From where I'm sitting, it's like you've all completely forgotton that we do it too.

Which reminds me of something else: right now a lot of people get their BF healing done on the side while they get a buff. With buffing gone, that might actually increase the demand for BF healing by some margin.

As for whether it, too, will be taken away, it's been explicitly said that it's not. That counts for more to me than the devs saying we're not healers, since they've been saying that forever.

Umi

Einhinder

Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:11 pm

#45

Tiaga wrote:
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being attacked for my spelling is a pet peave of mine im dyslexic i really cant help they dont look wrong ot me /sigh

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Drygo

Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:50 am

#46

Thank you, Scip. While I don't think I've currently been involved in fighting with another entertainer oranother entertainerfighting with me about the CURB, I have seen it, and it makes me cringe. Not because either side isn't bringing up real issues, but because it gives the *appearance* that we really are whiny, bitchy, what have you...basically what the rest of the community keeps saying we are, when I know that we are not.

United front, that's what we need. And, unfortunately, the information we have makes it very hard to do. I feel like we're all waiting in limbo. I should be familiar with that feeling by now, I suppose. But, it's hard to make constructive comments about the CURB or what will follow when we're given so little information. And, the information we have, as written, looks, IMO, to be really, really horrible. So, you can chalk me up with those who are on the pessimistic side. But, even so, despite my initial anger in the "big" thread In Development, I've basically started to take a backseat in the discussion because I've realized that there's simply nothing more for me to say until we know more.

If anything else, I think we can simply come together and say, "stop with the assinine trickle of information, and give us something that we can really comment on that is not so divisive."

I mean, really, not just for the entertainers, but for the entire playerbase. The way this was presented was piss poor and was bound to cause divisiveness. We have 7 weeks to go. I think it's time that we get more information. And, not only do we deserve more information, but I need it just to put my mind at ease. The thought of 7 weeks to go, and them not having any frelling idea what they're going to do with us makes me angrier than any of the actual changes we've been presented with. So, to the devs, I say "spill it." They'll have less cancellations and less flaming on the boards if they just tell us what's going to happen.

And, well, if they can't tell us because they have no idea, then I feel very sorry for them, because they're going to have to deal with a lot more flaming.

Message Edited by Drygo on 03-23-2005 04:51 AM

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Chessack

Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:08 am

#47

/agree drygo

He's 100% correct. The devs in a sense invited these reactions by not telling us everything. This of course makes people suspect the worst, because of the history of how entertainers have been treated for going on two years.

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