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Thread: Pro/Anti AFK/Bot/Macro All Purpose Sticky

Drygo
Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:11 am
#482
Moved from the other thread...



Actually, when this topic was brought up the devs, it wasn't brought up for buffing. It was brought up for basic healing. Most people didn't feel like it would be worth the extra experience or faster healing to have the popup, and that it would be too much of a distraction. There were other issues involved, such as being told what flourishes to perform in order to get these extra benefits, which would detract from people's performances. I tended to agree with this viewpoint.


However, I and many others suggested that if we tweaked this idea a little bit and made it for buffing instead of healing, it would be much more palatable, and possibly be worth the added effort, because the benefits would be worth it. The devs never expounded on this idea and I think, they just decided to forego the idea altogether. It's a shame, because I would have liked to see them implement something like they suggested, but with fewer restrictions on our performance, in order to give us an upperhand on the bots.



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swampgirlinez
Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:17 am
#483

Copied from other thread:


Yes, I see this as a problem for out and out healing, but not at all for buffing. If this was implemented as is, with no other restrictions, I think it could be a viable answer to the bot problem. A bot cannot automate an answer to randomly generated request. Once the popup is generated and cleared, there wouldn't have to be anymore system intervention. We could carry on as before. I don't think it would be distracting much. A large majority of our time is spent passively healing anyway. With this, a bot (or anyone) could still passively heal, but only ATK ents could buff. There goes the bots. I do agree however, that getting the devs to implement this is an entirely different issue.



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Dreamland
Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:29 am
#484
One other thing on community outcry. It's been heard. The thread about removing recuring macros was about 50 pages long, with a followup thread almost as long. Yet the descision remains planned. Peoples issues will be adressed but the answer you are looking for you are not going to get. What do you honestly expect? for entertainers to say? hmm ok well you can still buffbot some of the time. NO any capacity of buffbotting destroys our profession. Thats why there can be no compromise. There will be solutions for the people recieving the buffs, of that i have no doubt. There is no solution needed nor doI expect there will be onethat allows you to remain a buffbot.
Lesia
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:00 pm
#485
Oops this is the last time I post without reading the posts before mine. It appears removing mind buffing has already been suggested... ummm great idea !!!
psycocat
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:19 pm
#486
Man some of this crap makes me want to swear.

But I wan't and I won't name names either.


But to all the buff-addicts out there who keep wanting the buffbots:

Learn how to play smarter so you don't need buffs!!!


I slugged through Fencer for months before I even learned about buffs.


I stayed away because they were expensive.


and it was only after I mastered it that I learned about mind buffs.

I still don't get them. I find a bit offood and drinkand the right choice of armor and keeps me alive long enough to dish out some pain.

Mind buffs are also annoying to get. I avoid them. I go to a cantina to be entertained because that is where entertainers are.


If you aren't adult enough to learn how to play this game with difficulties in your path then go get your sorry old game of DOOM and hit the god mode.


Quit killing the game for the percentage of people that enjoy some of the noncombat, and still majorly buggy, professions in the game.


Oh and for homework go watch the Cantina Crawl XII.

I know you can find it because you obviouly got lost coming to an entertainer board.



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PoetDancer
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:23 pm
#487







Dreamland wrote:


Thats great sirii but theres only one problem. You must not have read my post very well if at all because I am not Beery.





Sorry about that Dreamland. I corrected my post, and offer my most humble apology. But I have to admit its something Beery might say as well. Indeed, I think you very clearly stated the concern of many live entertainers, Dreamland. If the buffs are too common, then we won't get tipped for them. A valid claim when one examines the profession in terms of the raw economics.


But I don't feel that economic theory and economic reasoning will solve the problems of this class. Its not a matter of truth that players think buffs are rare. Its a matter of perception. And it doesn't make it any less of a real concern simply because its a matter of perception. But then it begs the question of what organically in the game environment lends itself to this perception? I think its the process, not so much in terms of the actual act, but in terms of the psychological states of the respective parties to such an act. Something we do not have the tendency tothink aboutaround here very much.


Message Edited by PoetDancer on 11-11-2004 02:30 AM



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Dreamland
Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:28 am
#488








akothas wrote:




If buffbots do go poof, well then I guess Ill have to make due with just logging in myentertainer on an As-I-Need-Him basis, just like my Doctor. What you said here reminds me of a bumper sticker I once seen...


"If you dont believe in God, You better be right"

Message Edited by akothas on 11-12-2004 12:50 AM




Did you thinkI was going to have some epiphany and run away crying becauseI realisedI was so clueless as tomiss the concept thatyou would still use your alt to benefit yourself? There's nothing anyone can do to stop someone from creating an army of alts to serve their own purpose. I don't realy care if you choose to spend 300 dollars a month to avoid having to interact with someone. As long as you cannot park yourself in my cantina and dispense my game mechanics for free 24 hours a day i will be satisfied that you are sufficiently neutered.


In fact i thank you for posting this stance because it goes toward proving my beliefthatwhen they removethe unatended macroing, the buffbots will NOT in fact cancel their alts creating a massive loss of subscribtions. Those alt accounts will stay right where they are. They just won't ruin the atmosphere of my cantina anymore.



Message Edited by Dreamland on 11-12-2004 01:35 AM

Message Edited by Dreamland on 11-11-2004 01:36 AM

LyteFoot
Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:15 am
#489




akothas wrote:



If buffbots do go poof, well then I guess Ill have to make due with just logging in myentertainer on an As-I-Need-Him basis, just like my Doctor. What you said here reminds me of a bumper sticker I once seen...


"If you dont believe in God, You better be right"

Message Edited by akothas on 11-12-2004 12:50 AM




Just exactly why do you think you should be able to do it differently with your entertainer alt than you do with your doctor alt? I find that statement to be a positive change not a negative one.Too bad but Idon't lose any sleep thinking that people trying to play a multi-player game in single player mode will be a little inconvenienced. There are plenty of lan capable shooter games you can play with your buddies that don't require you to interact with anyone else, SWG is all about interacting with others that is why SOE designed some points that force a little interaction.







Elwyn LyteFoot - Corbantis server
LyteFoot
Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:41 am
#490
Yes you interact ... with your guild, your buddies just like I said. You can do that in Halo, woopee. Also interacting with them in outside games comms (we use teamspeak so I know) isn't interacting with the SWG universe. I played several years in a non-consentual PvP space sim, voice comms was critical for coordinating my pilots and our hired cover. We also used it to chat with other friends but it isn't interacting inside the game world. It is quite different and always includes a very finite set of known friends. SOE created cantina's, starport waits, and other areas to foster in game interaction between random players. That is what is different from playing SWGvs. Halo and you've effectively circumvented it with all your alts. So if that is the type of game you want get a lan capable starwars game and host it, that is a lot cheaper than paying for multiple accounts to basically accomplish the exact same thing. By using those alts to recreate that lan based FPS environment in SWG you and others are breaking the game for many other people.



Elwyn LyteFoot - Corbantis server
akothas
Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:22 pm
#491




Dreamland wrote:

One other thing on community outcry. It's been heard. The thread about removing recuring macros was about 50 pages long, with a followup thread almost as long. Yet the descision remains planned. Peoples issues will be adressed but the answer you are looking for you are not going to get. What do you honestly expect? for entertainers to say? hmm ok well you can still buffbot some of the time. NO any capacity of buffbotting destroys our profession. Thats why there can be no compromise. There will be solutions for the people recieving the buffs, of that i have no doubt. There is no solution needed nor doI expect there will be onethat allows you to remain a buffbot.





If buffbots do go poof, well then I guess Ill have to make due with just logging in myentertainer on an As-I-Need-Him basis, just like my Doctor. What you said here reminds me of a bumper sticker I once seen...


"If you dont believe in God, You better be right"

Message Edited by akothas on 11-12-2004 12:50 AM



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gravatai
Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:48 pm
#492




Lesia wrote:

I truly wish there were NO MIND BUFFS! Yes, I'm serious. Theonly solution to the large number ofunattendedbotsis to remove mind and secondary buffing. Mind buffing isNOT necessary,we know this to be true because we haven't always had mind buffing.The entertainer community was a much happier place when people made quick visits to the cantinas to have their bf and woundshealed. Before mind buffs, beginnerentertainers were as likely tobe tipped as masters. There were always a few bots healingbf and wounds in distant locations, butno one cared because if an ATK entertainer showed up they werejust as likelybe tipped thereas they would be in Theed. Anyone who was anATKentertaining before buffing was addedwill tell you how much morewe enjoyed our profession.


I suggestthe devsleave thelooping macro alone and REMOVE MIND BUFFS... they're a good idea gone bad. Besides,people can use brandy.






ATM buffs are needed, example when there wasnt mind buffs, there wasnt 1k tick poisons, 500+tick mind fire. Plus certain races are limited on there secondary mind stats, so when doing certain proffs, eg tka, pikes, they lose mind quickly. Yes they can use food/drink. thats fine for pve, but for pvp you need as high as you can get on mind as EVERYONE attacks that pool. Use a CM you might say to heal mind. Yet how many would you need to keep an effective pvp force alive? remember they do suffer heavy mind wounds while healing.





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Isleh
Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:38 pm
#493




akothas wrote:




LyteFoot wrote:




Just exactly why do you think you should be able to do it differently with your entertainer alt than you do with your doctor alt? I find that statement to be a positive change not a negative one.Too bad but Idon't lose any sleep thinking that people trying to play a multi-player game in single player mode will be a little inconvenienced. There are plenty of lan capable shooter games you can play with your buddies that don't require you to interact with anyone else, SWG is all about interacting with others that is why SOE designed some points that force a little interaction.







Well, IfI chose to right now I guess I could also set my doctor up on a 23/7 buff macro, and at times I do leave him on his macro in our guild house (to buff friends quickly)


And truthfully, I probably interact with people more than you think, perhaps even more than you. I am on ventrilo server (live voice chat) with my guild, and usally there are 15+ people in there. Not to mention all the other guilds we are contacting to set up attacks on our enemies.




Wooohoooo! Now I can go to a dancer buffbot, then a doctor buffbot so I can autodefend near a Meatlump spawn point with a loot macro running! Then, I can set up the buffbot in the cantina and set the doctor up in the starport with a SPAM macro to announce the buffbot in tha cantina.


Or wait! If the doctor at the starport runs a tumble-to-standing macro. My bud, who wants to be a CM so he can pw3n all, can run a healing macro so he can level up faster.


And hey, if my soon to be Master CM bud can run a SPAM macro announcing the location of the vendor of all the loot drops we get from the meatlumps.....


O.o


akothas
Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:28 pm
#494




Isleh wrote:


Wooohoooo! Now I can go to a dancer buffbot, then a doctor buffbot so I can autodefend near a Meatlump spawn point with a loot macro running! Then, I can set up the buffbot in the cantina and set the doctor up in the starport with a SPAM macro to announce the buffbot in tha cantina.


Or wait! If the doctor at the starport runs a tumble-to-standing macro. My bud, who wants to be a CM so he can pw3n all, can run a healing macro so he can level up faster.


And hey, if my soon to be Master CM bud can run a SPAM macro announcing the location of the vendor of all the loot drops we get from the meatlumps.....


O.o





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