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Thread: Bots do more good than harm

QuixoticJedi1
Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:52 am
#27






Erawia_D wrote:

Doesn't the princess diaries 2 come out?








I hope you're not serious.





Quix'Otic

Knight Errant of the

Gypsy Court


Erawia_D
Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:58 am
#28






QuixoticJedi1 wrote:





Erawia_D wrote:

Doesn't the princess diaries 2 come out?








I hope you're not serious.



what, that its coming out, or that I want to see it?









DeniraWyles
Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:23 am
#29








Look,

I respect your opinion. But I like providing buffs to players. I like using a bot to do it. I like tweaking my macros to make them more informative and easier to use. I feel just as strongly about the way I like to play as you do about yours.

So, I'm going to keep makeing my voice heard. I may own a bot, but I'm not always AFK with it. Like it or not, i'm an entertainer too.



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The best analogy I can use is taken from a real world industry to compare entertainers to something real and tangible. An entertainer is just like a server/waiter/waitress, minor difference is that a real world server/waiter/waitress actually gets money from their employer, and they earn the bulk of their money from tips that come from their customers. If you are rude to a server you will get your butt tossed to the curb by the manager of the restuarant because you harassed an employee. You stiff a server and you go back to the same restuarant the other servers will remember what you did and will give you poorer customer service. On the other hand if you treat a server properly and you tip them the standard 15%, or more, of the check you will continue to get great customer service. Customer service will mean that you will get your food faster, waited on faster, and you will always get well attentive service from the server. Of course, this goes both ways and if the server fails to provide the highest quality service to you then you are not obligated to tip a lot of money, but you are still obligated to tip the bare minimum of 15%. If a server royally screws up then you can leave a one cent tip that gets the attention of the server to let them know they messed up. Leaving no tip is just rude and uncouth because that's what the other servers will think about you the next time you go in.



Most people do not understand how stressful and how much work it is to work in the service industry especially at peak times. The server will have usually 3-6 other tables, depending upon staffing for that day, and they will be trying to provide the best customer service they can. Average number of patrons during a lunch rush per table is right around 3 people and the average number of patrons during a dinner rush per table is 6. Now if you take into account the total number of people this one server has waited on and given customer service based upon the above figures you will find that they are taking care of 8-18 other people in a lunch rush and 17-36 other people in a dinner rush at any given time during a set block of time. The better the server the faster 'they can turn the table', ie get the customer out the door in the soonest amount of time, and the more people they can wait on. Usual times for table turn around is 10-15 minutes so if you take that into account with the above figures for serving patrons you will find that a server will have provided customer service to 32-72 other people based upon the 15 minute table turn around for lunch and 68-144 people at dinner time.



This is exactly how it works in SWG with entertainers and those of us at the keyboard are usually talking in spatial, group chat, guild chat, and tells all at the same time. During the peak times it can be really stressful on the entertainer, but they still do it because they love what they do. Now going back to the real life server do you really expect them to get by on $2.13 an hour for doing all of that work to satisfy your needs? Do you really expect entertainers in the game to get by on what they make from buffs, provided they can actually sell them? Any excuse you can think of to keep the buffbots in I can use against you and your profession making the same demands you make of entertainers. Since you've stated that you want entertainers to be available 23/7 I expect you Mr. hunting type to be out there 23/7 gathering resources from hunting to sell my doctor alt so she has a steady supply of medical resources. I don't want to hear your excuses about how you are physically unable to be there 23/7, but I still want you out there killing things to keep my doctor in resources so she can enjoy her game. Oh, you don't like that when the tables are turned against you well too bad because this is what and many other combat types have demanded of both docs and entertainers for the longest time. Do you really expect the local waiter/waitress at your favorite restuarant to work 23/7/365 just to service you? Of course not, because it's insane to think of such a thing. Just my two credits on what I think about what you said.



Denira Wyles


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I support at the keyboard entertainers.

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QuixoticJedi1
Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:26 am
#30






Erawia_D wrote:





QuixoticJedi1 wrote:





Erawia_D wrote:

Doesn't the princess diaries 2 come out?








I hope you're not serious.



what, that its coming out, or that I want to see it?















That you want to see it. :-D


Great sites for trailers Paks. If you follow reviews at all www.rottentomatoes.com is a good site. Combines reviews from around the country into a single score.



Quix'Otic

Knight Errant of the

Gypsy Court


Goldy_Lhim
Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:48 am
#31

I saw I, Robot already. I didn't know much about the book but ya.. robots are freaking creeeeepy.


Maybe I'll see the Village this weekend. My boyfriend was telling me it has had some bad reviews but to reviews I say. I've liked his other stuff, I'll keep watching them until disappointed in one


Oh and thanks for the sites!



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picklesSW
Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:23 am
#32



Vorpaks wrote:
A really good place to watch movie trailers is www.quicktime.com in their trailers section. Ya, I know this is a section of apple.com, but no one is perfect.

Aslo www.movie-list.com is great for trailers (but a little slower). I always come off those sites with a list of movies I want to see.




Apple rocks!




Sigrun
Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:25 am
#33






picklesSW wrote:





Vorpaks wrote:
A really good place to watch movie trailers is www.quicktime.com in their trailers section. Ya, I know this is a section of apple.com, but no one is perfect.

Aslo www.movie-list.com is great for trailers (but a little slower). I always come off those sites with a list of movies I want to see.






Apple rocks!





You can't play SW:G on an Apple.




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picklesSW
Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:36 am
#34

"You can't play SW:G on an Apple."

Nope, but all my creative pursuits are done on one.




FuschiaD
Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:37 am
#35

The Bourne Supremacy gave me a headache. I don't like that kind of cinematography... sure, it puts you right in the center of the action, but I'd prefer to be slightly removed and actually know what's going on.

Spiderman 2 was awesome.

Shrek2 was respectable, but not as good as the first.

Have yet to see The Village. I love M. Night Shayamalan (sp?) though. He makes great movies. Has anyone seen it yet?




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Naish
Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:37 am
#36

Which is too bad because, Mac is WAY!!! better than PC



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QuixoticJedi1
Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:39 am
#37






FuschiaD wrote:

The Bourne Supremacy gave me a headache. I don't like that kind of cinematography... sure, it puts you right in the center of the action, but I'd prefer to be slightly removed and actually know what's going on.

Spiderman 2 was awesome.

Shrek2 was respectable, but not as good as the first.

Have yet to see The Village. I love M. Night Shayamalan (sp?) though. He makes great movies. Has anyone seen it yet?







I agree - the "hand cam" shots in Bourne were pretty nauseating. I've seen Village - it's ok...honestly, I think it's not one of his best films, but I think he's evolving into something other than a "twist ending" writer.



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Dreamland
Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:08 pm
#38






Naish wrote:
PVP is a perfect example. If you want to last more than a few seconds in an even PVP battle, you you have to have Food, Drink, Spice, doc buff and mind buff from entertainers.

So, yeah, you need to have a mind buff to enjoy the game sometimes.





I believe I saw it mentioned somewhere that the pvp poulation is something in the neighborhood of 2%. For a whole year people have been telling entertainers they didn't matter because they are a minority. Sounds like pvp is still a huge minority too, yet we have to have buffbots for them?


Let me do a comparison for you. I've masterd dancer twice, andI was at the keyboard the entire time in both cases. In fact i hand flourished through the first time cause i was new and didnt know how to make a flourish macro. The first time i did it which was last year at about this time exactly, I CAPPED my entertainer heal xp by the time i had the dancing knowledge line done, and i still had the techniques line to do. I did dancer again about a month ago now, however this time it took me an extra week to finish my heal xp after i finished all my dancing stuff. Do you know why it took so long? Because almost every customer in the populated cantinas Theed Coronet Dantooine Dathomir, which i performed in, Walked STRAIGHT past the entertainer group to the resident buffbot for all their heal and buffing needs in one. So now tell me how that hasn't hurt the profession?

Message Edited by Dreamland on 08-05-2004 03:12 PM

Vorpaks
Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:12 pm
#39

Dreamland. This thread has been hijacked. It is now about the current movies playing and Macs (and any random comment you would like to discuss. Frankly, after meeting Cake at CC8, I am very curious about this cake vs pie thing. What the heck is that??? Leetness will escape me until I know!!).




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