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Thread: Jukebox and Dancer
The jukeboxes are a great thing IMHO. They supply much needed background music (I know I have a CD of SW music playing whenever I'm not in the cantina just to kill the silence) and they also increase the "star wars feel" of the game. It would have been nice if musicians had got the songs, but if you think it through you'll realise _why_ they didn't. Flourishes change the nature of the song. I can take a song, and because my flourish pattern is different it will sound completely different to someone else playing the same song on the same instrument. This is good and to be encouraged. There is however this niggling little thing called copyright, and it means that if you take a piece of music not specifically designed for this purpose and change it things get sticky.
Which would you rather? musicians with no choice but to play the SW themes all the way through, with flourishes just being animations and not changing the sound? Or music that can be unique to you?
I think the jukebox is actually going to improve things for the musicians, I have plenty of friends who turn off al the game music (including the player music) and run their own stuff on top. With more ambient music to combat this maybe they'll start listening again rather than typing /listen.
Isolde
Europe-Chimaera ~ Isolde Averay - Master Dancer,Proud to be a STAR, Kreetle on vacation
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The only really good ones I know of are in CoE, which I love jamming with them!! They are the best!! Y’know what’s really bad? When you promise yourself you won’t post on a topic because you just know you’re gonna shove your foot down your throat…and then you go and do it anyway. So before I begin…
/slap self
Ok. That out of the way, I shall now proceed to shove my foot in my face, possibly make people I like become angry with me, and put my 2 credits into the discussion.
Oh ye, tormenting and tacky wannabe replacement
for a good thing, thy name is "Jukebox."
While I was on my non-entertainer alt, a friend and I went and she purchased a Jukebox. She placed it in my house, switched it on, and we went through all the songs. I liked it, it was neat, it had that “bright and shiny” that most new things have that attract you and make you want to try them.
Two days later, after I had time to think about this new thing in my world, I went, on the same character, and bought one myself. I placed it in my house and set it to “Chamber Music” which is one of my favorites. Many, many times I have sat behind the counter where the merchant trainer is in the artisan guild hall in Keren to grind while listening to this tune. It was nice to have it in my house while muddling about with emails and such.
It did grow a bit old, so I switched it to “Naboo soothing” which I have decided I would like a recording of for my bedtime since listening to it did indeed sooth me and make me a bit sleepy. Ah…running water and ambient music…I was quite happy to sit and listen to it.
That’s just it though. Ambiance. This is what the jukebox provides and it was absolutely wonderful to have on as background noise while RPing with friends in my house. I later went to a friend’s cantina to hang out, wanting very much to hear what other deem as “noise,” that of the sound of live entertainment played by live musicians in a cantina.
She had a jukebox...
I was not happy...
It is her cantina though, so I listened and told myself, “that’s ok…it’s our cantina night tomorrow…ah house band…ah live entertainment…ah no ambiance trying to pretend it is the real thing.” And then I got asked this, this afternoon:
“What do you think of using a jukebox tonight?”
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING, NO!
At least…that’s what I wanted to scream. I realized that the person asking me probably hadn’t used a jukebox, so I tried to be more genteel in my response and explanation. It was after that, that I realized my response to that question was EXACTLY what I wanted to post here…so I am.
They're great for ambient music in a house, but in a place like the Green Room...that'd be like Louis Armstrong saying "hey, instead of me play, lets listen to the radio." There's just something bout a live band you can't replace. Maybe it’s just me, I think it’s pretty tacky to use a jukebox in the cantina instead of a live musician, ESPECIALLY if you have a live musician available.
The concern on the part of the asker was that the usual house band may not all make it and/or would possibly be late. I tried to explain that there are many people out there that actually don't like the jukeboxes, a big reason why I am reluctant to use one. I had one in Deri's house, it does add a VERY nice ambiance, but that's all it is, ambiance, background noise.
It is not and should in no way be a substitute for a band. I'd sooner see one person with an instrument and a playback droid on stage. I don't hate them, I just believe that there is a time and a place for them, and a cantina social event is most definitely not it.
At a wedding? Ok, sure, but use a live band for the reception cause otherwise, that’s just tacky. As ambiance for a private party at your house? You betcha. In a cantina? NO WAY, JOSE.
*tosses 2 credits into the thread and steps off her soapbox*
Thank you.
Cendatinea wrote:
As ambiance for a private party at your house? You betcha. In a cantina? NO WAY, JOSE.
I wasn't going to say anything, because there are people in the guild who don't give a damn about afk macroing and buffbots, or other such things that irritate the blazes out of me. I sent a tell to the person that was running the event and told him that I would not be there because of the jukebox. He was surprised and I explained why I thought the jukebox was an insult to our fine guild musicians. He understood and respected my decision.
Thinking that the conversation went well, I thought I'd take a chance on saying something in the guild chat about it. The more mature members of the guild had a pretty good dialog on jukeboxes, the self-powered harvesters, the upcoming bunker houses, and some of the other changes that happening lately. I think that some people will not be including the jukeboxes in the future. As far as the less mature members... less said about that the better.
Perhaps the jukeboxes have their place, but that place should be AFTER the people who worked so hard and spent so much time learning to be musicians. And maybe those vet reward bunker houses should have their schematic given to the architects. Or maybe I can be given a vet reward of an LLC that's useable by anyone?
Message Edited by Kyree-Sunrunner on 03-04-2005 12:48 PM