Dancer Archive
Thread: what a CSR said in regard to afk macroing
Please tell that to everyone who use a Duplication exploit, because they are not breaking your POLICY either, only breaking the TOS and the EULA but you just said the EULA and all it's words are worthless because your policy is not to enforce it, am I right Jeassa ?
I can then presume that it is perfectly ok in Sony's eyes for an entire series of professions to be able to achieve mastery by creating a single macro, thus making the highest achievement of those professions mean absolutely nothing.
Not only should you chastise your legal department for putting something which is obviously inaccurate into the EULA, but you should seriously reconsider your design of this game if you honestly embrace trivialization of professions like this.
Shame on you.
- J
meeuki wrote:like it or not, the verdict is in.
No it's not, a forum moderator posts this, not a CSR or sony person so it doesn't mean anything sweety.
meeuki wrote:like it or not, the verdict is in.
Like it or not, we're starting to get targetted mind buffs and abilities to help combat the problem, regardless of their view on whether it's against the rules.
If the customer service arm of Sony is impotent to do anything, then we'll work through our correspondent to enable the changes we need for the profession.
Eventually the real entertainers will win out.
- J
Like it or not, we're starting to get targetted mind buffs and abilities to help combat the problem, regardless of their view on whether it's against the rules.
If the customer service arm of Sony is impotent to do anything, then we'll work through our correspondent to enable the changes we need for the profession.
Eventually the real entertainers will win out.
targetable buffs! passive buffs to groups! MAAHAHSAHAHAAH i can't wait!
vanguardistaken wrote:
if you are so wrapped up about what someone else is doing that is not directly hampering your gameplay
Just because something is not directly hampering our gameplay does not make it an insignificant impact.
Yes, an AFK dancer does not prevent me from receiving xp or from interacting with the good players of the game. It does, however, encourage people to not bother tipping real entertainers since they have free bots. It does, also, discourage entertainers from checking out advanced planets because they're not sure that a bot will be there, making the trip not as worthwhile.
Indirect influences are important too. Here are some hypothetical (and some real) situations.
- Your weaponsmith buys the resources and cranks out scout blasters that go for 3000 when you consider the time and materials. Someone takes advantage of a loophole and is able to produce and sell scout blasters for only 250 credits. People stop buying your wares and go to the exploiter.
- Your pistoleer has been clawing his way up the skill trees. Someone takes advantage of a loophole and gains 20 times the experience in the same amount of time. Instead of closing the loophole, the devs decide to increase the difficulty of all enemies, slowing your progression even more.
- Your doctor heals people's wounds the usual way. Someone shows up and says that he can magically heal wounds more quickly than you can by using a loophole. People flock to him and don't need your services.
- Your creature handler makes a living selling pets to non-CHs. Someone discovers a loophole where he can buy a bio-engineered pet and teach it all the CH tricks. People don't need to seek you out to hunt down pets or train pets since they can just use the loophole.
You may argue that these things don't hurt the characters, but there is an impact felt. By AFKing, these people are changing the demands of the population. When the demand is low, then the supply that legitimate entertainers provide is considered worthless. And if the need isn't felt, then entertainers tend to pursue more rewarding professions. Imagine how quickly architects would leave their field if people could just buy houses and harvestersfrom NPC vendors.
This is what we see with AFKers. Personally, I work with them. I'll crack jokes at the AFKer's expense (yeah, what's he going to do? Fight back?). This amuses patrons, and they tend to tip me. So, I don't view AFKers as the bane of all entertainer well-being. But I can see how they are screwing up the economy of the universe. Just because I'm able to benefit off them doesn't mean that others do. Some are too nice to do what I'm doing.
<<the problem is not with macroes - the problem is with unattended gameplay - i use a macro consistintly all the time but i dont let it run while im not there
and it DOES grief us! Its a slap in the face to everyone who is doing it the hard way. What do u do if theres not a medic in the med center? you send a tell asking for one to come. I used to get tells all the time asking to go to the cantina if no one was there - we all did - they were called gigs. But not since the afk plague has spread. And even if it IS only 3rd party programs that are not allowed in the EULA - how do theuy KNOW that thats not what people are using. Or do they not even care. I guess this is just a free ride to invite 3rd party macros to macroevery single class in the game - we'll have a whole server full of afk zombies and the cumminity will be dead - fun fun fun!But hey as long as it doesnt interefer with YOUR gameplay - huh? you starting to see how it interfers with everyones gameplay now?? >>
A couple of counterpoints for you:
First, I see your point but don't agree with you. Your stance is right up there with the BH's demanding that anyone who does not intend to master the BH skill tree, should not be able to train in any BH skills. The whole argument is rediculous. People can play as they see fit.
Second, im not talking about third party programs designed to alter the game. Im talking about using the macro capabilities within the GUI.
Thirdly, I reject yur implication that I am being selfish. On the contrary, it is you who is demanding that everyone play like you and if they don't - report them!
Lastly, in order to fix the problem, the developers will have to make the entertainer skills entertaining enough that people wont want to /afk macro. Until this is addressed, the problem will only get worse.
I think this is getting a little out of hand.I made master dancer from being there and talking to the people who came in to be healed. There are a lot of afk macro dancers and musicians in the tyrena cantina on the valcyn server, and yes it kind of annoys me that they are doing it all of the time. But right now there is nothing that can directly be done about it.......and even if there was....what would that accomplish?
I've made loyal customers if you will, who when they come in will watch me and not the afk'ers and then tip me......and I know there are some people who aren't entertainers who don't like all the afking macroers, because when they come in to geet healed and tip people for it they like the people to be there and talk to them. So if afk macro dancers and musicians are hurting anything it's themselves since they might lose the respect of the profession.
If you want to afk to master go for it, but what are you going to do when you get master?
That being said I would like to clarify something; it is not a violation of the TOS, the EULA, or any other rule in SWG to use a macro and be AFK.
Can I get some official OK for that ? I'd like to level to Novice Bounty Hunter using a macro. Oh, and if I use an Excel Macro that allows me to place clicks, is it okay if I master Tailor instead ? If I can write a C++ program consisting entirely of preprocessor macros, can I write a complete bot for this game ?
It's a shame that the DEVs don't even try to solve this issue. A workaround would take about 15 minutes developer time. And I bet that even I could do it, though I never saw the source before.
Just in case they do work at it: That's a piss poor communication. Work your communication skills. You are losing customers to not communicating. Daily.
This will be a very unpopular position. However, if someone is paying their $14.95/month to play the game and their style of play does not grief you, orimpeed your playingthe game- what business of your is it how they choose to play?
Macros are in the game to automate those things that can be. If someone chooses to marco their dance moves - who cares?
-Fabnusen