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Thread: Novice Medic vs Master Dancer (TIPS)
As for not accepting any solution to the problem, I'm all for solutions. I've been merely stating my point of view on your proposed solution. One that most likely would be shared by a large number of players(non-support roles).
As a Doctor I've become very familiar with the mindset of the combat-oriented professions, forgive me for bringing that point of view to your forum.
Look Vortexela, you seem to either want to just naysay in an unconstructive manner. You say you want solutions, but you won't suggest any and you shoot down any proposals out of hand. I've still not seen any better ideas coming from your typing finger(s). It appears that you just want to troll. What use is that??? It doesn't further the conversation and it just makes you look like a mindless and regressivespoiler.
All I did was make a post late last night stating that your idea probably wouldn't work. Since then I've been dealing with accusations from you left and right about being this, that and the other thing.
Maybe I have ideas I'd like to propose, maybe I don't, but it's rather hard to do anything when I'm constantly trying to defend myself against your unwarranted attacks.
Sinda wrote:The perception in this game is that entertainers - especially dancers - are carebear characters with no real purpose to the game. The perception is that Battle Fatigue is an artificial construct put in place solely for the purpose of giving dancers something to do. None of these perceptions are going to change until entertainers actually offer something the rest of the players recognize as important and which they perceive as meaningful.
Regular wound healing is hardly perceived as /tip worthy by most players; Health, Action OR Mind. They see it as 'your' job to heal them for that, the only thing that does earn credits is anything above the 'your job' level. Such as Buffs and self-use items they can use to heal themselves without your assistance. These type of 'beyond the norm' abilities/items would be the best source of income for the Entertainer profession, since payment for wound healing will never suffice.
"Maybe I have ideas I'd like to propose, maybe I don't, but it's rather hard to do anything when I'm constantly trying to defend myself against your unwarranted attacks. "
Look, the best defence against an accusation of trolling is to prove you aren't one. I didn't force you into unconstructive criticism andevasive responses - you did that all on your own. All you need to do in order to prove you have something positive to contribute is to simply make a positivecontribution. If you can't do that (and so far you'vegone out of your wayto avoid doingit), then you're a troll.
If you're not a troll, let's see the ideas you have. I find it amusing that you've had hours to come up with a better idea than the one I proposed, yet all you've done is respond with yet moreunconstructive criticism laced withyour own ad hominem attacks. If my accusations are unwarranted, whereis thepositive input you've made to this discussion? Face it, you've yet to contribute positively here, and therefore, you're a troll.
Two, before that I was asleep and don't try to think up ideas while asleep.
Three, I've not been evasive, simply answering your accusations in the time allotted.
Fourth, I've posted something a bit more constructive in my previous post to this thread.
Lastly, if I've somehow offended you to the point where you choose to call me a troll, then forgive me. No idea what it was, but there y'go.
You have a /denyservice command. Use it and charge up-front.
Medical Healers have the option to simply not heal someone if they so choose, and charge up-front for payment. /denyservice is your version of that, why not put it to use?
Oh, that's right, because like the Medical Profession there will always be someone else there who will heal for free.
So why not implement an automatic charge to those being healed that will transfer credits directly to the healer? Because the Devs have been loathe to do so. They simply won't institute any type of automated system of payment, nor will they provide any other tools for Service Providers in-game to use for monetary gain.
You think that simply requiring yourself and your fellow entertainers to purchase specifics articles of clothing in order to perform dances will suddenly cause an influx of credits into your pocket? Well guess what, it won't. The general populace couldn't care less what a Healer pays for to do their job, they just don't care. Are there exceptions to this? Of course there are, but on the whole most people simply want you to heal them free of charge. And if you don't, someone else will.
There is no way to get everyone to pay you, it's just not going to happen. Trust me, I've been fighting for payment for services rendered since Beta and NOTHING has come of it.
You want a money making option? Then you need to seek it elsewhere in your profession by using other abilities you currently have and either make them better and worthwhile(buffs) or find something that can be added to your profession that you can create and sell(holorecordings that anyone can use to heal themselves of mind-wounds).
You want money making ideas for regular healing? Use /denyservice. Nothing else will work, nothing else will be implemented by the devs, nothing else will matter to the masses.
And, for the record, I appreciate your one-person attacks and have noted that the others who have stated their dislike of your idea have largely remain unscathed yet I am lambasted at each turn. Is it because I'm not a dancer? Or is it that I was the first to post against the proposed strike? Or is it some past wrong? Whatever it is, I'm done with this thread. Call me a troll to your hearts content.
Deny service is nice, but fairly ineffective with all the AFK Macroers out there.Personally I would prefer a very good mind buff that we (dancers) have to target on someone. This is a positive, rewarding effect, rather than a negative one.
In order to become a Master Dancer, we have to invest 106 skill points. This is significantly more than most of the combat professions. Unfortunately, we see very little return on this investment, as we are not as rich as they are, not as effective as they are (in the GCW) and not as respected as they are. We heal for free, most times, because that is the way the game is set up. A Novice Entertainer dancing basic can do the exact same thing as a Master Dancer (with the exception of the very minor mind buff, and some minor combat bonuses).
I'm curious what the developers envisioned for our class. I'd like to hear their thoughts on it.
And just for the record, I think Beery is the one with the problem.
"Texxie is a very respected voice on the CM and Doc boards"
Glad to hear it. With a change in attitude I bet she could get respect here too. But her contributions to datedon't bode well. Perhaps her respected status on other forums has gone to her head.
Beery wrote:
"Texxie is a very respected voice on the CM and Doc boards"
Glad to hear it. With a change in attitude I bet she could get respect here too. But her contributions to datedon't bode well. Perhaps her respected status on other forums has gone to her head.
--blink--
Wow.
I had no idea that what I said could (or would ever!)be interpreted in that fashion. I was just trying to vouch for her non-troll status and reassure you that this was a concerned member of the community. I feel like such an idiot now for doing more harm than good. In all the time I've been playing, and all the awful comments I have had to endure from non-entertainers, I have never felt lower in SWG than I do right now.
And I guess that since all I did was post my observations like she did, my contributions are prettyworthless too. I'll shut up now and let the real experts get back to work without my crap clogging the bandwidth.
/logoff Dancer board for kinder pastures
"Glad to hear it. With a change in attitude I bet she could get respect here too. But her contributions to datedon't bode well. Perhaps her respected status on other forums has gone to her head."
Ring ring...hello pot, it's the kettle calling.
Texxie is a very respected voice on the CM and Doc boards, and I'd hate to have her reputation besmirched simply because she stated a negative without following it up with a constructive suggestion in that immediate post. Texxie didn't flame anyone and she wasn't disrespectful; she simply stated the concept wouldn't work. That doesn't make anyone a troll, just terse.
I am a Novice Performer because I am Dancer III/Musician III/Ent Heal IV and some minor supporting classes. I like both Dancer and Musicianequally well. I get more tips as a Dancer, not a Musician. That says to me, based not on empirical data but simple observation, that my tips are not dependent on my required equipment.
On a side note, I get more tips as a Dancer than a medic.
The issue appears to be respect for support classes in general, entertainers in particular. From reading my server board and listening to the combat types there (granted, the posters are mostly jerks andlikely a vocal minority), buying an instrument or a piece of clothingdoesn't matter much in the quest for respect. I think that improving mind enhancement would go a long way toward garnering the profession this badly-needed respect. It's a shame we have to buy their love.
My two humble and nonimaginative credits.