Dancer Archive
Thread: Naboo Theatres?
SykoNurse
Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:53 am
#14
I feel I have to speak up here as Founder of the community that is Pale'in Ma-allesh on Naboo in the Corbantis Galaxy.
First of all I need to make clear that the council has not been officially addressed on the matter of Ms. Mayor dancing afk inour cantina! (She is an alt levelling up there after all...)That means there hasn't been an official decision on this. However things work democratic on the council, so there is a good chance Ms. Mayor stays.
Secondly the Kah'lehalle so 'Fendoon cantina is officially run by Un're Ato and belongs to the -PM- community. It is NOT Ay'la's cantina!A lot of people have invested in the decoration, have donated items, time, and work. Quite a few people have levelled up there, quite a few people used the cantina as a meeting place. As we all know as well, players come and go.Lately there is less activity in our cantina but that will change again. IfI don'tfind toons there (I perceive those presently there as semi-atk btw, not as afk bots), I won't hang out there either. As for Un're's example, he is there and will respond to activity, might just take a minute.
Thirdly zoning rights to place a theatre have been granted immediately upon request. That theatre has been placed by Ay'la and she can use it as she sees fit. This happened before anyone was aware of this thread.
So...
...dear Tralmek, judge again if Ay'la's "friends" don't see fit to supporther in this...
...dear Ay'la, thanks for editing out the "council Nazis". Shame on you for taking this to the forums and not your PA in the first place though.
...dear Ikewe, we're not talking about dorks who "don't get it".
...dear NJ62, yes, you're entitled to have that opinion.
...dear Else-Whira,the attitude of the city planners didn't show in this thread so far. So please don't jump to conclusions from a single emotional burst.
...dearMystyrys, I see my guild disrespected here, not Ay'la. Any mayor, council, whatever ruling body, has the liberty to run a town like they see fit. Like stated above the council hasn't been addressed on that matter, ergo there was no official request to remove the "bot". All I see is public bashing of my PA.
...dear Ay'la once more. You say"I may have a talk with the guildy who "runs" the bot and tell him how I feel." and you say that AFTER posting this here?
...dear Maisland.You say "Plus, if it's YOUR cantina and not someone else's"... -> It is not, see above
I freely admit, I may not have managed to keep this post asofficial as I wanted to. I just felt someone had to set this issue straight and provide a second perspective.
NJ62
Sat Mar 05, 2005 6:54 am
#15
I would still leave the city if the town votes to keep the bot. This has nothing to do with them disrespecting you personally or acting badly. They are entitled to their opinion and are entitled to run their city in a way that will benefit the majority of their citizens. You, sadly, may fall into the minority.
However, I would not stay in a city that doesn't support my playstyle. Again, it's not that the council is doing anything "wrong" from a city management point of view, but I personally would not feel comfortable in a city where I would have to leave the city in order to nurture my own playstyle. I would prefer to find a city of like-minded individuals - not that a new city is "good" or that the old city is "bad", but rather that it's my playtime and I will have a better time playing if I surround myself with people who share my playstyle.
The same goes for anything: crafting, pvp, etc. If you're a pvper, you will be miserable living in a city that bans combat in the city, and you are forced to gnash your teeth and watch overts of the other faction happily stomping through the city. If you're a crafter and the city doesn't offer you a prime location or specializes in something unrelated to crafting, well you would feel more comfortable selling your goods in a dedicated merchant town.
No blame, just a "bad fit." I was in a guild that was very pve-oriented, and wasn't that way at first but had gravitated in that direction. As a tailor/ID, I was in my shop most of the time stocking or with clients. However, it was hard to be alone so much, and the combat types were frustrated that I couldn't offer them any real help, either in goods on in a hunting buddy, while I was frustrated I had nobody to talk to and was generally unappreciated. Eventually, I moved into a town with some of my best clients who enjoyed "town life" - entertaining, hanging out, crafting. That ended up being a better fit.
However, I would not stay in a city that doesn't support my playstyle. Again, it's not that the council is doing anything "wrong" from a city management point of view, but I personally would not feel comfortable in a city where I would have to leave the city in order to nurture my own playstyle. I would prefer to find a city of like-minded individuals - not that a new city is "good" or that the old city is "bad", but rather that it's my playtime and I will have a better time playing if I surround myself with people who share my playstyle.
The same goes for anything: crafting, pvp, etc. If you're a pvper, you will be miserable living in a city that bans combat in the city, and you are forced to gnash your teeth and watch overts of the other faction happily stomping through the city. If you're a crafter and the city doesn't offer you a prime location or specializes in something unrelated to crafting, well you would feel more comfortable selling your goods in a dedicated merchant town.
No blame, just a "bad fit." I was in a guild that was very pve-oriented, and wasn't that way at first but had gravitated in that direction. As a tailor/ID, I was in my shop most of the time stocking or with clients. However, it was hard to be alone so much, and the combat types were frustrated that I couldn't offer them any real help, either in goods on in a hunting buddy, while I was frustrated I had nobody to talk to and was generally unappreciated. Eventually, I moved into a town with some of my best clients who enjoyed "town life" - entertaining, hanging out, crafting. That ended up being a better fit.
Drygo
Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:50 am
#16
Well, I won't get into the issue of whether bots are bad or not. I think everybody already knows my viewpoint. So, disregarding that particular factor, I will agree that mayors and council members can run the city and/or Cantina as they see fit. But, you will NEVER catch me living in a city or being a member of a guild that sanctions buffbots. And, my own personal judgment is that it is "wrong" and that yes, people who sanction buffbots, "just don't get it." Because they don't. If they did, they would *not* have the buffbot.
Having said that, yes, I have turned down offers to become members of a guild or city that sanctions buffbots. And, I have gotten into arguments with "friends" who think buffbots are okay. You say your guild is being disrespected in this thread. I'm saying you're disrespecting all live entertainers by having a buffbot. If you want respect, you gotta give it in return.
Message Edited by Drygo on 03-05-2005 06:52 AM
SykoNurse
Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:08 am
#17
We do not have a buffbot. And we never had one. We are talking about an afk entertainer here.
Drygo
Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:13 am
#18
I apologize for making that assumption. Usually when I see the word "bot" I think buffbot.
I still wouldn't like it too much if there were afk entertainers in my city's Cantina. But, I wouldn't consider it an offense that required moving out.
SykoNurse
Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:30 am
#19
Which actually is the part that makes me sad. I don't think anyone has taken the time to just click on that little link below Ay'la's or my username (-PM-) that leads to our page at guildportal.com. Just another click gets you to the charter...
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...We are a gathering of individuals, forming a fellowship around common ideals. We each have opinions and desires that shall be taken into account. When the council calls for a vote, or asks a direct question in relation to the city or the guild, a thoughtful answer is expected. We encourage participation, in all aspects. Turn to your guildmates first and second, save turning to those outside as a last resort....
...If there happens to be a conflict or disagreement, it is best that the matter be addressed in a timely and straightforward manner. We are a community, and it is important to keep resentments from growing. Handle all such things maturely and honestly. If there is need, a council our militia member can be called in to mediate. If the issue is large you can bring it before the joint council formally, where we will convene and settle the issue for you....
...We strive to help each other, to be supportive in all we do. There are a great many needs to meet, and together we can weave a community that is whole and strong....
....Zoning rights are in effect in our city. If you wish to place a structure, contact one of the council or militia members with information regarding the nature of the structure. The militia will discuss possible locations, but be warned that these are extremely limitted. We will be continuing to maintain streets as we grow. If at any time the council or militia ask for a citizen to move a structure, or to rename a building, cooperation is expected for the benefit of the community as a whole....
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Ay'la asked to place a theatre and got it placed a few hours later. No problem there.
The next day this thread is brought to my attention....believe me, I am not happy finding a bunch of people bashing my PA. Frankly, that hurts me, one of the council nazis.
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...We are a gathering of individuals, forming a fellowship around common ideals. We each have opinions and desires that shall be taken into account. When the council calls for a vote, or asks a direct question in relation to the city or the guild, a thoughtful answer is expected. We encourage participation, in all aspects. Turn to your guildmates first and second, save turning to those outside as a last resort....
...If there happens to be a conflict or disagreement, it is best that the matter be addressed in a timely and straightforward manner. We are a community, and it is important to keep resentments from growing. Handle all such things maturely and honestly. If there is need, a council our militia member can be called in to mediate. If the issue is large you can bring it before the joint council formally, where we will convene and settle the issue for you....
...We strive to help each other, to be supportive in all we do. There are a great many needs to meet, and together we can weave a community that is whole and strong....
....Zoning rights are in effect in our city. If you wish to place a structure, contact one of the council or militia members with information regarding the nature of the structure. The militia will discuss possible locations, but be warned that these are extremely limitted. We will be continuing to maintain streets as we grow. If at any time the council or militia ask for a citizen to move a structure, or to rename a building, cooperation is expected for the benefit of the community as a whole....
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Ay'la asked to place a theatre and got it placed a few hours later. No problem there.
The next day this thread is brought to my attention....believe me, I am not happy finding a bunch of people bashing my PA. Frankly, that hurts me, one of the council nazis.
Drygo
Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:52 am
#20
I don't usually, as a matter of course, click on people's guild tags in the forums. But, regardless, it's true that I didn't know the whole story. Seems like it's an internal guild thing, so I really don't have any place talking about it anymore. 
Just wanted to apologize, and hope everything works out so that everybody is happy in your guild.
KaiaClodgah
Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:20 pm
#21
thank you, Shasa for pointing out my apparent many short-comings here. We did talk about this in game, I was told I was over-reacting. I came here (upset, as I explained to you last night in game after you "spoke" to me about it) I do not appreciate being made to feel like a naughty 7-year old on the fourms. I shan't be logging into Ay'la for a few days probably so I can try to make some decisions with a clear head rather than what I am considering at the moment.
Maisland
Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:35 pm
#22
SykoNurse wrote:.
First of all I need to make clear that the council has not been officially addressed on the matter of Ms. Mayor dancing afk inour cantina! (She is an alt levelling up there after all...)That means there hasn't been an official decision on this. However things work democratic on the council, so there is a good chance Ms. Mayor stays.
...dear Ay'la once more. You say"I may have a talk with the guildy who "runs" the bot and tell him how I feel." and you say that AFTER posting this here?
You are upset that Ay'la brought her concerns to the forum, and then you rake her down for it publicly. That seems like a double standard to me. Not to mention that the use of the word "officially" implies that some Unofficial communication was made.
Ay'la, I would leave this town so fast that they wouldn't know what hit them. Find yourself a new town to live in that will support you and your playstyle.
Edit: removed references to the cantina. I stand by the rest of my post.
Message Edited by Maisland on 03-05-2005 08:24 PM
KaiaClodgah
Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:45 pm
#23
Maisland, It is not my cantina, I just have used it every day that I've logged in for the last 6 months essentially. Only the theatre is in my name. I appologize to all if I made it sound like I was the owner/caretaker of this cantina. I suppose only in my heart is it mine.
NJ62
Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:02 pm
#24
I never thought that the cantina was yours... and my response still stands.
Esharra
Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:32 pm
#25
I'm with n'Jessi on this. If you don't like the way a guild, city, or cantina is run then it is not the environment you want to be playing in and you owe it to yourself to leave. Been there. Done that. I have no regrets.
NJ62 wrote:
I never thought that the cantina was yours... and my response still stands.
kirah_ashlin
Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:18 am
#26
I have to agree with Eshi and N'Jessi - and I never got the impression that the cantina was yours either.
Several of my entertainer family and friends became members of a very well known guild on Naboo after the mayor (and guild leader)recruited us to help them facilitate theirweekly PvE events. However, within3 months they embraced AFK grinding in the cantina to the point that we couldn't even find a spot on stage to perform. Roho placed a second cantina just within the city limits and for a few months other members of the guild would frequent it - until a boffbot was created. Now our lovely cantina is deserted. Needless to say, when the buffbot was brought to our attention, we voiced our opposition and then resigned when the guild/city wouldn't listen. So much for "do fellow guild members no harm".
The cantina still stands. It's oftena staging ground for entertainer events, and I think it might upset a lot of people if we got rid of it (it's almost iconic for some reason).
Sad to say, but with the advent of the buffbot, our choice of game profession has lost a lot of respect within the player community. They don't need live entertainers so we are of little or no value to them (save for the wonderful, but rare, players who refuses to use a player created NPC). Most of the comguys don't want to be entertained - they want to killkillkill so they can be their uber best. A sad state of affairs for a MMPOG.
Bottom line - do what makes you happiest. If you can work within the confines of the theater and want to work things through with the city council, then try that. If you think too much harm has been done, then look elsewhere.