Dancer Archive
Thread: Flabbergasted!
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picklesSW
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:15 am
#14
Doctors are some of the richest people on my server due to the fact that their buffs are so overpowering and the buffing process cannot really be accomplished AFK. Also, they have the respect of the other players, and those other players don't grouse over having to pay for the buffs.
I find it shameful that doctors continue to come over here and give us grief whenever we want our buffs improved in any way. Believe me, I would love them to add steep resource requirements to our buffs. We would stop hearing arguments like this, we could charge like docs do, getting a profit off each and every buff, and buffbots would be hurt the most as they cannot guarantee people would cover their costs. Maybe our fellow players would even begin to give us a bit of respect.
Doctors have no cause to come over here and give us grief about us wanting our buffs improved. Try being an entertainer for a while and find out how it feels to make very little, get stiffed often, and treated rudely.
I find it shameful that doctors continue to come over here and give us grief whenever we want our buffs improved in any way. Believe me, I would love them to add steep resource requirements to our buffs. We would stop hearing arguments like this, we could charge like docs do, getting a profit off each and every buff, and buffbots would be hurt the most as they cannot guarantee people would cover their costs. Maybe our fellow players would even begin to give us a bit of respect.
Doctors have no cause to come over here and give us grief about us wanting our buffs improved. Try being an entertainer for a while and find out how it feels to make very little, get stiffed often, and treated rudely.
ElayneDancer
Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:06 am
#15
Actually, given the length of time a dancer spends dancing, if we could self buff, we'd be auto buffed .... permanently.
Also, it's not like it's hard for a dancer to get a mind buff. The second I walk into Coronet Cantina with my Master Dancer tag on, I get at least two invites without having to say a word. If I wanted to, I could just watch/listen to another entertainer and use the group buff system.
As for the people arguing that our buffs are crap and that they should add resources etc to our buffs; No. One of the reasons I like the dancer profession is because of the no resources requirement. I'm a casual social player; I like being able to log in my dancer and dance and chat. If they made it so we had to farm resources for our buffs, it would basically screw me over and end my SWG career as I wouldn't bother to spend 5 hours farming for 1 hour of dance/buffing.
As for the arguement that we don't get respect or cash; I've made plenty of cash as a pure dancer. Given that I don't spend any resources and basically exist of the charity of other players, I'm actually doing quite well. I have several hundred K on both my dancers, and I regularly get invited by PAs to place cantinas for them, etc. As for the respect issue, don't be a doormat; If someone gets abusive, /denyservice. Not only /denyservice, get your friends to /denyservice. Add to your profile a /Denyservice list so that anyone who examines you can see who the jerks are and /denyservice them.
At one point on Kauri, when a new jedi got abusive towards us, we organized an entertainer strike and all mass /denyserviced him. After which he learned the joys of unmindbuffed PvP and came back with profuse apologies. Similarly, we can bring the Doctor profession to it's knees at any time we choose. If a Doctor gets abusive, tell him good luck grinding his way to Master Doctor without Mind Buffs. More than once, when someone's gotten abusive, my friends amongst the cantina folk have jumped in to put the abusive player in their place.
The biggest thing to remember is that Dancing isn't a fighting profession; It isn't a crafting profession; It's a SOCIAL profession. Being a Master Dancer is more than grinding the right skill boxes and owning an exotic leotard. It's having a network of contacts amongst other entertainers and non-entertainers that support and defend you. It's being able to send a /tell to a friend saying "Hey, this idiot's bothering me" and two minutes later, four Master Bounty Hunters show up to beat down the idiot.
THAT's real respect; not people paying you to buff them so they can grind, but people willing to come out and say "Hey, this Dancer's good people and is you mess with her, I'll mess with you."
Dancers of the world unite!
Also, it's not like it's hard for a dancer to get a mind buff. The second I walk into Coronet Cantina with my Master Dancer tag on, I get at least two invites without having to say a word. If I wanted to, I could just watch/listen to another entertainer and use the group buff system.
As for the people arguing that our buffs are crap and that they should add resources etc to our buffs; No. One of the reasons I like the dancer profession is because of the no resources requirement. I'm a casual social player; I like being able to log in my dancer and dance and chat. If they made it so we had to farm resources for our buffs, it would basically screw me over and end my SWG career as I wouldn't bother to spend 5 hours farming for 1 hour of dance/buffing.
As for the arguement that we don't get respect or cash; I've made plenty of cash as a pure dancer. Given that I don't spend any resources and basically exist of the charity of other players, I'm actually doing quite well. I have several hundred K on both my dancers, and I regularly get invited by PAs to place cantinas for them, etc. As for the respect issue, don't be a doormat; If someone gets abusive, /denyservice. Not only /denyservice, get your friends to /denyservice. Add to your profile a /Denyservice list so that anyone who examines you can see who the jerks are and /denyservice them.
At one point on Kauri, when a new jedi got abusive towards us, we organized an entertainer strike and all mass /denyserviced him. After which he learned the joys of unmindbuffed PvP and came back with profuse apologies. Similarly, we can bring the Doctor profession to it's knees at any time we choose. If a Doctor gets abusive, tell him good luck grinding his way to Master Doctor without Mind Buffs. More than once, when someone's gotten abusive, my friends amongst the cantina folk have jumped in to put the abusive player in their place.
The biggest thing to remember is that Dancing isn't a fighting profession; It isn't a crafting profession; It's a SOCIAL profession. Being a Master Dancer is more than grinding the right skill boxes and owning an exotic leotard. It's having a network of contacts amongst other entertainers and non-entertainers that support and defend you. It's being able to send a /tell to a friend saying "Hey, this idiot's bothering me" and two minutes later, four Master Bounty Hunters show up to beat down the idiot.
THAT's real respect; not people paying you to buff them so they can grind, but people willing to come out and say "Hey, this Dancer's good people and is you mess with her, I'll mess with you."
Dancers of the world unite!
TheSillyOne
Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:03 pm
#16
Doctors do not rely on other doctors to get buffs. They've invested thier skill points and thier time into being able to do that for themselves.
Armorsmiths do not rely on other armorsmiths for armor. They've invested the skill points and thier time into being able to make it for themselves.
Weaponsmiths do not rely on other weaponsmiths for guns. They've invested the skill points into being able to take care of that on thier own
Dancers and Musicians.....well we've invested the skill points but if i'm out on yavin doing the Geo caves with my buddies I can buff my buddies in a camp not far from the cave then I'll have to call a dancer, pay her travel and her fee for buffing. Why is that?
Nacoa
Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:15 pm
#17
TheSillyOne wrote:
Dancers and Musicians.....well we've invested the skill points but if i'm out on yavin doing the Geo caves with my buddies I can buff my buddies in a camp not far from the cave then I'll have to call a dancer, pay her travel and her fee for buffing. Why is that?
Because of the buff interface. When you do dance, you're implicitly watching yourself since your wounds and BF heal. However, you can't stop watching yourself to trigger the buff. Yes, it is an interface issue that could be fixed by coding a new interface.
TheSillyOne
Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:31 pm
#18
Nacoa wrote:
TheSillyOne wrote:
Dancers and Musicians.....well we've invested the skill points but if i'm out on yavin doing the Geo caves with my buddies I can buff my buddies in a camp not far from the cave then I'll have to call a dancer, pay her travel and her fee for buffing. Why is that?
Because of the buff interface. When you do dance, you're implicitly watching yourself since your wounds and BF heal. However, you can't stop watching yourself to trigger the buff. Yes, it is an interface issue that could be fixed by coding a new interface.
ding ding ding! we have a winner. This is the same issue that apparently causes dancers to have additional issues getting mind buffs from other dancers after they've been performing. You get hung up watching yourself and can't get a buff from another perfomer.
/cry
it's all borked. maybe some day it will be fixed. For now we accept that we are broken and enjoy our proffesion for the social aspects.
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