Dancer Archive
Thread: WANTED: fresh ideas for allowing recursive macros to exist and yet saving entertaining.
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Kreistor
Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:55 pm
#14
DanceRulez wrote:
Not sure why we really need this thread. The devs have already stated that they are removing the recursive macros, and I'm sure it not just because of buffbots, unless you think that they still might change their minds about it.
lol, I'll be called despicable again for answering this question, but even though Panthu has created a sticky thread where all Dancer issues should go, even though we've all heard these issues before, some people think that once again saying "Buffbots sucks!!" will be the one defining post that will make a difference with the devs and change everything.
Get used to it. It's not the first post about Buffbots and it won't be the last
Dreamland
Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:09 pm
#15
Kreistor wrote:
lol, I'll be called despicable again for answering this question, but even though Panthu has created a sticky thread where all Dancer issues should go, even though we've all heard these issues before, some people think that once again saying "Buffbots sucks!!" will be the one defining post that will make a difference with the devs and change everything.
Get used to it. It's not the first post about Buffbots and it won't be the last
Your DESCHPICKABLE, (Sylvester from bugs bunny and tweety accent)
Bronski113
Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:50 am
#16
What I wish would be added is a ent buff interface. Something similar to the ID's thing. You can set price and deny the person the buff if they don't pay what you want. Also, there shouldn't be any commands that can be used in a macro to use the interface. Something like this, if done right, could make ent buffing a whole lot better. I'm sure this has been discussed before.
It would be nice to see it have a timer or at the very least shows how far along and how strong the buff is. Then a set price box would be nice too.
Panthu
Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:19 am
#17
Ok, since this thread isn't going away...
1. This really should be in the AFK/Bot/Macro Sticky... thus the "macro" in the title
2. There are a gazillion other options that could improve Dancer directly and not touch recursive macros at all... they are being ignored:
a. Because this isn't really about us or for us, it is mostly about "nerfing" things like the CoB Macros (I love mine, I think this sucks)
b. There is no interest at this time in making Dancer interactive, fun, and everything else that would be required to keep people ATK
I wish there were other facts, there are not. I never once complained that all AFK should be stopped or macros should be crippled in the Corr Forum. I always said that we should be improved so the "need" or "encouragement" for AFKing Dancer in any capacity would go away. Any feelings on unattended gameplay or effortless leveling are far outside the scope of any one Profession view and not anywhere I ever care to tread. I hate it that we will be getting backlash for this when it actually has nothing to do with us. *shrug*
Maybe it will improve Cantinas, maybe it won't... but the title of this thread implies that we actually have a say so here as a Profession and the harsh truth is that we just don't. If the problem was being looked at from a Dancer's point of view, we would be seeing the levelingand buffing improvements we asked for that would eliminate the reasons for AFKing as a Dancer.
ShakuEB
Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:58 am
#18
Looping and joining macros need to be saved. When i wrote my buffing macro, it's 5 minutes long, with a flourish every 5 seconds. I had to divide it into 3 macros that link up because the system would not take a macro that long. The other thing that is specific about the need for entertainers to have looping macros is that dancer and musician cannot be mastered in 2 days like many crafting professions or combat professions (and yes, I do know people who have mastered combat and craft professions in 2 days). It takes at least a couple weeks even in full cantinas.
To save dancers from losing macros due to buffbots, make the dancer radial target the buffee, like medics have to do with patients. To save merchants from losing macros due to spammers, increase storm trooper patrols that search people. They ask to see your identification, and you have to radial click on the trooper asking. Or, when you go afk, have the server not process your speech so that you stand there silently or have it diverted to auction channel. As far as afk campers at hot spots, give something to bounty hunters that would let them hit even coverts and neuts when afk (this could also fix the buffbot and spammer problem, public service by getting rid of public nuisances).
I am officially begging to keep looping and linking macros.
Aynianu
Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:08 am
#19
Inactivity timer to continue even with macro's being used would make me happy.
15 mins with no keystroke or mouse click would drop you from the game?
atm macro's stop this, just make macro's not effect that and it should work
Aynianu
Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:12 am
#20
Another Idea would be killing 2 birds with one stone, giving the entertainers a few new tricks and destroying afk buff bots.
make buffs work as an interface like ID.
You /buff and it brings you an interface, you select the buff type then it begins.
Which also gives us a choice of a few different buffs, (no clue what, but we could have more than just buffing one single stat surely?)
Ingrata
Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:19 pm
#21
I agree with everyone's suggestions above. If you have to actually click on something, not just type a command, this whole buff bot thing would be over.
Zashina wrote:
Easiest way to eliminate afk buff bots:
Make /join be the command to accept a duel as well.
Nuff said
This is one of the best ideas I have ever heard!! LOL
Tandava
Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:09 am
#22
I have never used a looping macro in all my time with swg. Not with performances, not dancing, not to change clothes etc. So I would prefer if recursive macro's go away. In no way shape or form do I promote afk'ing anything because it gives you no experience, no fun, no game play and no interaction or learning. In fact even the mindset of being able to go through and master things quickly is game breaking to my opinion. You start expecting everything like that, quick, instant gratification, little work, little patience.
That being said,its alwaysgood to spread around ideas. What if dancers and musicians buffing had the same restrictions as doctors? One at a time. It means you couldn't buff a whole group at once, they might have to hire multiple musicians and dancers, *gasp* It would certainly slow down buffbot traffic. Of if you do have to buff a whole group you have to click once for each name to acknwledge them. It doesn't touch the healing skills which are still passive although I'd love them to make mind fatigue MUCH more significant in its affect on combat so healing bf becomes more important again (well not including jedi)
LyteFoot
Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:25 am
#23
I'm a musician not a dancer so let me throw a different perspective on some of this. If you make it impossible to issue commands for any entertainer activity you kill the use of the narg and ommni. I can't target anything else to interact with it and have to rely on commands. Try doing /setperform on x1337M4S73Rx sometime when you can't make their name out from the 30 others behind them in a crowd :-/
Eaca
Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:20 pm
#24
Flag every command issued by a macro as a macroed command, and commands that result from said command be it alias or UI command is also flaged as macroed. Add 1 bit to every command sent from client to server, 0 non macro, 1 macro. Any commands flagged as macro do NOT count on the server end toward keeping you connected, ONLY non macro commands will keep you "alive". No more keep alive macros, no more afk spamming at starports, no more afk meatlump hunting, no more afk weapons xp, no more afk bots, you start your macro and 20 minutes later with no other issued commands, you get disconnected, the only way around this is if you use a 3rd party program to issue commands, which IS against EULA, and can be punished. My auto loop flourish and combat and all my other ATK use recursive macros stay in place unharmed, AFK botting of ALL types goes away.
Pthalio
Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:57 am
#25
To me the simplest solution to the problems faced by entertaining is to eliminate the autojoin feature. With out this buff bots cant function and leaves recurisive macros to be usedby the rest of us.
Kreistor
Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:10 am
#26
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Macros and being AFK are mutually exclusive, period. There's NO POINT in being both at the same time unless you're using the unattended play 'playstyle'.
My advice to the Devs is the same as it has always been: FORCE an AFK flag on the player if there is NO INPUT from the mouse or keyboard after 15 mins. Once the AFK flag is up, DUMP ALL MACROS. This means no more autojoin, no more AFK flourishing, no more AFK auto-looting, no more AFK auto-combat, NO MORE UNATTENDED PLAY!!
I've lost count on how many times I've submitted this idea, and I have yet to receive a response as to why this is a bad idea other than "the devs think it's a bad idea" from Panthu.
I appreciate her bringing it to the Devs of course
Love you Panthu!!
*deep breath*
Macros and being AFK are mutually exclusive, period. There's NO POINT in being both at the same time unless you're using the unattended play 'playstyle'.
My advice to the Devs is the same as it has always been: FORCE an AFK flag on the player if there is NO INPUT from the mouse or keyboard after 15 mins. Once the AFK flag is up, DUMP ALL MACROS. This means no more autojoin, no more AFK flourishing, no more AFK auto-looting, no more AFK auto-combat, NO MORE UNATTENDED PLAY!!
I've lost count on how many times I've submitted this idea, and I have yet to receive a response as to why this is a bad idea other than "the devs think it's a bad idea" from Panthu.
I appreciate her bringing it to the Devs of course
Love you Panthu!!*deep breath*
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