Dancer Archive
Thread: You reaction to same sex customers?
I've come to accept this; I get healed whether or not you actually entertain me. I'll sit in the cantina for 5-10 minuets, maybe go AFK, then tip 200 credits (aka 2 dollars) and leave. I know dancers are very spammed-out in chat most of the time and can't always carry on many conversations with many people. I realize that other people are more outgoing (or in some cases intrusive) than I am; I was always taught to be patient and not interrupt someone else's conversation. I also understand that many entertainers in a cantina will know each other, if they aren't actually good friends, and will naturally be inclined chat to each other preferentially.
Just don't expect me to give you more than the two-dollar-tip for less than two dollar service
Pthalio wrote:
I always try to smile, greet or welcome everyone that comes into the cantina male or female. It's a shame that female characters are being ignored in these situations (whether they're a male or female in rl ) and being a girl playing a girl it's kind of sad to see the way female characters are treated in all games in general.
I think some of the rl guys playing guys are afraid they'll catch the **edit** if they are too nice to a girl toon who turns out to be a guy...
I flirt with men, women, all species. I'm an entertainer when I'm on and I will tell a woman she's beautiful as much as a man he's handsome. Tandaava is not hung up on the gender/species issue. I suppose as awoman playing a female character I'm not all that hung up about it too.Now if that makes customers nervous and occasionally it does, a simple /tell will do and I'll tone it down or go on to another customer, or no customer at all and just dance and sing to myself.
But I'm also someone that sits down with a customer to ask how things are when I'm taking a break. Or take the time to really train people in whatever when they ask. If a woman isn't having fun in a cantina then I consider that a crime.
Come to Mos Eisley on Kauri on any night that I am there and I say hello to everyone and talk to everyone. I like to socialize and male, female, unknown, lizard, rat, human, horned person, squid, whatever I will be nice to, If I havent said hi to you just kick me one and I will I get lag and miss people on occasion. It never pays to be rude to anyone so I am not. Anyway, look me up if you wish, Im usually on 11pm pacific dancing for a bit.
Telia the novice entertainer, dying to get that slow dance, lol
A friend of mine (female char) gave me a /hug once and I responded with a /kiss. All of the sudden a fellow dancer was extremely upset at what we had done. She told me about her fervent beleif that we should behave in-game within the confines of our genders and characters... and I tried to explain that I was... and then she got more freaked out... then I was apparently supporting deviant lifestyles outside the game... and I explained she was right - I do... and she capped it off with how this would not be seen outside a "**edit** bar" (a charming term I'd not heard since grade school) in RL... and I explained that I would and had - I went to a private all girls boarding school.
She left in disgust, and I will continue to /kiss girls gently on the lips. Vive la difference! especially when it's barely animate chars in a computer game.
I have only dabbled in the dance profesion a little bit in game, I'm a professional dancer in Real life and found playing one in the game to be a bit too much like real life, that and when you have done the real thing it's sort of feels 2 dimensional, but I still plan to play one eventually, I like the idea of being able to be a dancer in a game and have it be neccessary to the game, rather than just something nice to do.
I have only played female characters, as a general rule I treat other avatars as whatever sex they are. I don't even think about whether or not there is really a guy or a girl behind it. If someone is role-playing a female avatar then I think of them as a female and my character reacts accordinly.
I tend to only flirt with those who start it first,male or female. But my character is just a big tease and doesn't mean it anyway !!!
Jennith
My RL husband and I play on a few galaxies, usually in a male and female pair. Usually we stick to our real gender, but on one we've reversed and he plays the female. I absolutely notice the difference in how we are treated, especially if we come in at different times and people don't realize we're together (we do not RP a "couple" in any of these scenarios - but neither of us is going to RP a relationship with anyone else, either). Ithink it's funny to watch the dancers hit on my husband's character, andI sometimes get a kick out of how I'm treated when I walk in with my stereotypically tall, musclebound Trandoshan.Meanwhile, my tiny,female Bothan doesn't usually rate a /nod even when I know the entertainer isn't AFK.
I don't worry about any of it too much. It's far to interestingto watch the dynamics to be upset about it.
Just remember, you never know who is watching and women arehistorically better tipper than men.
"On those rare occasions where one or more of the entertainment troupe is friendly and greets/converses withme in a way that doesn't feel 'canned' I tip generously and I do remember these people for if I run into them in the future."
Here in lies the problem. Even if someone greets you if it's how they are greeting everyone else it is 'canned' and not good enough. Unless you are a regular and know the entertainer than you are a stranger and will/should get the same greeting as everyone else. In my case everyone gets a /wave, /smile, /greet or a welcome message. At that point if I can I ask people how they are or how's the hunting today? I find the women that come in often come in, ignore my /smile, /wave, /whatever and go sit quietly in a corner. If you don't respond to my initial contact (even if it's just with a /smile back) than I am not going to keep trying to initiate contact as I don't want to bother you. Some people want to come in, get healed and leave. They don't want to talk to me and I try to respect that. Next time you get one of those canned greetings, try saying hi. It could open whole new avenues of conversation.
Min'Tora Ehi
There are exceptions to this rule, however. If I see something neat or interesting on someone who shows up, I'll often comment on it. This is just how I am. Last night, a female Human doctor stopped by the Cantina, and she had a very lovely hairstyle- one of the high-level ID designs. I couldn't help but compliment her on it, which led to a nice little discussion (turns out the ID that did it is a friend), and a nice tip too.
One thing I don't have is macro'ed spoken greetings. I know they save time, but they're so... impersonal. Canned. A good way to get nice, less-canned greetings is to use visual clues as to what might interest a certain patron. If they've got a title, use it! See an Architect? Ask him what he's building. See a Pistoleer? Inquire about his latest hunt. And always remember the folks you've chatted with before. I personally keep a little Cantina log next to my computer with names, dates, and the things we discussed, so the next time I see someone, I've got a base for conversation. People notice if you remember them, and they especially notice if you remember little details.
A certain pistol specialist was in the Cantina recently and mentioned that he was looking to get a new pistol. He chatted with me and several of the patrons and ultimately decided on an FWG5. I saw him again a night or two later, and, lo and behold, he's got an FWG5. So I asked him, "Hey, how's the new pistol working for you?". He was amazed that I remembered it, and very, very pleased. He gave me a 1000cr tip, too.
Whew. This has gotten too long. I'll stop now.
Kaelya Thaell, Novice Dancer
Mos Entha, Tatooine, Valcyn Galaxy
Some people's children.. I swear. /addignore her or /report if it gets really belligerent.
Min'Tora Ehi
As a rl male playingone of the fewmale dancers, I'll flirt with any patron, male or female. I find itamusing, and itentertains just about everyone in thecantina
Most of the female toons are really guys anyway (even if I pretend otherwise while in character), so is there really a difference?
Female warrior toons always get special treatment from methough. There's something sexy about a woman who can kick my butt
RL female and long time gamer here.
My character is not a flirt with either males or females and normally I try toignore overlyflirtatious customers. Just as I am in real life Aryel looks more for the still waters that run deep 
conversation is the key both to friendships and deeper relationships. The only people she flirts with are those that have taken the time to get to know her and that I have judged as "safe" in that my flirting won't be seen as an invatation to cyber (to some 15 year old males a kiss blown is an invitation).
This morning I logged on for a bit and had a guy follow me from the cantina to the mission terminals to theshuttle port (other side of town)constantly blowing kisses and giving me hugs. If anything that turns me off not on. When I stopped at the shuttle port he emoted that he loved me I stated that I doubted that since he didn't know me.
I treat all patrons the same I say hello and will, when in a slow cantina time start a minor converstation commenting on wounds or theactivities of the day. If a guy tips me great! he gets a Thank You %NT if a female tips me same thing Thank You %NT If someone wants extra attention from me the will have to do more than hand me money or make cat calls regular patrons get special attention because I've gotten to know them, some I hug, some I /lick, some I'll grin evilly at; itdepends on the person and the character not on the sex of the toon.
From the consumer side my medic was building experience in the cantina a few days ago healing up the entertainers. The medic is a female (all my characters are) and one of the dancers (another female)kept flirting and blowing kisses to me. It made me want to tell her to stop that I wasn't going to tip any way & she shouldn't waste the effort. A smile or a thanks is more than enough.
i remember that we entertainers tried to welcome everyone and greet our weary guests with due respect and a friendly demeanour, and also would thank them for heals and tips. of course, there've always been the undie dancers and the /batlashes-at-anyone'-type, but the /afk dancing and performing music still was under control, as the group leader would usually not permit lengthy AFKs. in this athmosphere we tried to treat male and female patrons friendly and politely, and i personally know a few very generous female patrons.
these days, very often when i step into a cantina, i feel like in a zombie bar, all life-less, experience gathering hulls; and the few dancers and musicians there often totally ignore me, as i enter greeting (ok, i know, it's hard to see every message, with all the exp lines running over the screen, but hey, i'm a master dancer myself, and if you try, there's a way to be friendly and pay attention), or as i compliment one or the other on their choice of clothes, or as i tip (and i don't tip like 50 c)- and i'd think a little 'thank you' could be in it ...
from the customer side of view i have to say, i only go to cantinas now where i have some friends and chat with them while healing, or join the band, but (as a female) customer i've felt absolutely ignored. from the dancer point of view i feel sorry because all those inattentive performers and the armies of zombie-afk-entertainers contribute greatly to our profession being regarded as a lazy and not worthy one.
melian,
master dancer
eclipse