Dancer Archive
Thread: AFK Dancers and Musicans who Macro
Jumping the gun there, Jedi? Who's turning it into an Anti-AFK thread?
All I'm saying is stay out of the cantina. Have some class and do it in your house, YOU may not think AFKers are annoying, but the tone of your posts tells me that you KNOW some people are. Why annoy people when there are ways to avoid it?
AFKers are NOT annoying IMO, ok. They are just people who are really busy, or need serious sleep or somethingin RL. Let them get the Fricking XP, so they can Play hi-level music the next week... 
Unless, they aren't doing any flourishing, they don't get Xp...
Why become jealous of them? I AM not!
I realize RL is more important than this game, even though Socialing CAN be fun!
The reason I am doing it at the Cantina is because
A) You DO gain Max Musician Xp, if you are in a group.
B)See if my friend is there...
I may not see him/her right then, but I got Chat log/Email when I return, don't I?
C) Sometimes, I am the only one there... And, people need some healing.
Like I mentioned, tips aren'treason enoughto me (trust me), not that I mind getting it, but seriously, I can get credits other ways.
YOU may not think AFKers are annoying, but the tone of your posts tells me that you KNOW some people are.
No I talked about theways AFKers may affect the whole group, butNEVER said they are annoying.
And I obviously agree with you in this matter. Whether or not someone AFK macros is none of my business; We'll all working towards the same goal anyway. But begging for tips is just tacky and inconsiderate.We really should have a Dancer's etiquette FAQ and make it required reading.
On another note, It's nice to see that you are automatically marked AFK after a certain amount of time.
And customers, PLEASE refrain from tippin AFK entertainers. I can't stress that enough.
I really think this one comes down to whether an afk dancer/musician is hurting anyone by how they choose to play. As long as they are not a group leader, I really just do not seewho an afk dancer is hurting (unless it is themselves and that is their choice). I do not dance afk (barring telephone calls or somthing like that) and do not like to use lengthy macros. But I just have a hard time getting worked up at people who do (except on the evening Igot the Dance Knowledge IV and the only dancer in the galaxy who could train me seemed to be one doing an afk macro complete with sitting and resting). Even then I was frustrated but it is not like thatdancer owed me anything.
Unless you want master dancer for the increased rate of healing, I do not see that mastering dance gets the afk macroer that much. If you enjoy dancing so little that you do it afk, you probably are not going to enjoy it a lot more as a master dancer just because you get two new dances. I do not think that a master dancer has some huge competitive edge over other dancers in money-making.
Even if someone decided to watch(and maybe tip) an afk dancer rather thananother dancer who is actively playing their character I still why that is doing any harm. Patrons tip who they want if they tip anyone at all. It is not like they are avoiding the need tipping by watching an afk dancer. The ones who do not want to tip are just going to sit to the side, wacth and run out anyway whether there is an afk dancer or not. There are loads of things to be upset about in the dancer profession. lots of them because the profession depends on an honor system that is not working. I just am having a hard time understand why this one issue is suchso important..
Im thankful tothe AFK macro when no other musician can be found in the late hours you can alwaaaays find one and heal-up
Its important because in very crowded cantinas and especially these poorly designed ones, the layout really just doesn't give you much room to perform. Many AFK dancers/musicans stick the character in the center. Now its not so bad with one, but when you start getting five or six...it starts to get really crowded! There's no room to move unless you don't mind to be dancing in the AFK people or customers. Then you move to a clear spot but its far away from the door so people coming in don't see you...so they watch AFK people instead....
On top of that, they spam every few seconds or so with /say asking for tips or with something. That really gets annoying after a while, and even if you put them on ignore, it annoys the customers and makes them see us in a bad light and not want to tip. (check out some of the frustrated customer posts in a entertainer forum).
I am a Master Dancer (have been for a while) and I have a few views I thought I would share about AFK dancers. It's real easy to say they don't hurt anything and people should not complain about them, but i beg to differ. The following are my opinions and the cause and effect of AFK Dancers (be it good or bad):
1) AFK Dancers tend to be less skilled because they haven't had the practice timing and stringing together moves.
2) AFK Dancers won't get many tips. Most people tend to just watch them and leave.
3) AFK Dancers tend to earn a rep of being AFKers and suffer that rep for most (if not all) of the rest of their life.
4) It never fails, at some point a leader leaves and an AFK dancer is moved to Leader position causing the whole group to reform.
5) From what I see, AFK dancers NEVER tip for any training they get (I personally tipped for EVERY skill another dancer trained me in).
6) AFK dancers give all dancers a bad name and tend to cause more people to think they don't need to slip us a tip.
7) People who gain their skills while AFK lessen the achievement of those of us that didn't.
8) Often they tend toposition themselves in bad places. Please if you go AFK dancing, move off to the side.
And the list goes on...
From a personal point of view, they don't bother me to much anymore. I don't see them as competition or anything. I see them as confused, lost souls trying to get a free ride to Mastery, yet when they attain it, they are no more then a rookie. It makes those of us that did it the INTENDED way look that much better. The cream always rises to the top.
-F
Flechette wrote:
1) AFK Dancers tend to be less skilled because they haven't had the practice timing and stringing together moves.I don't see them as competition or anything. I see them as confused, lost souls trying to get a free ride to Mastery, yet when they attain it, they are no more then a rookie. It makes those of us that did it the INTENDED way look that much better. The cream always rises to the top.
This is a hilarious MYTH that has no truth to it whatsoever. In fact, those of us who have took the time to put together accurate Dance Macros probably have 10x the Dance Knowledge that those who shun Macros will ever have. We know how precisely how much time we need between flourishes, we know how many fluorishes it takes to deplete our Action bars, and we know the difference in cost between flourishes for different dances. Sure, there are those who just dance and flourish until they are too tired, and then stand around until they have to come back and start the Macro again. However, I think most of us have spent a lot of time tuning and re-tuning our Macros to perfection. It is both an art and a science. It is we who can dance rings around you large chested human bimbos in your flesh wraps. As if THAT takes any skill.
Just because you know the timing on the flourish (which EVERY dancer knows) doesn't make you more knowledgeable. Sorry. You keep on macroing, I will keep on generating tips.
As a dancer, I can tell real fast (faster then the average player) when a macro is running. It's easy to tell by the repeated macro set or the missed flourishes due to lag, etc.
Sorry, but you cannot convince me that an AFK dancer knows the timings and how things work better. ANYONE can setup a macro of a few moves to have the right timing. I doubt arguing with you will matter anyway. Have fun dancing while AFK.
-F