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Thread: Crisis of Conscience

nvoigt
Sat May 01, 2004 12:31 pm
#14

I'm in the same situation, just the other side of the fence


If I'm overt, I'm wearing uniform, Tie-Suit or ST Armor and give out free buffs for imperials, no buffs for anyone else. Some take offense. Well, then go overt and kill me. But none ever did. They probably fear the 1337 triple entertainer master. I'm the combat image desiner, come and get me lol.


When I'm covert I buff anyone for money. Maybe overt imps for less but I don't have fixed prices anyway.


For the roleplaying aspect it's a different situation for rebels. If you'd say you don't buff imperials, you'd probably end up in jail in Star Wars. If you do this, I'd think it would only be fair to be overt, so imperials can "put youin jail" or something like that. Saying you are rebel, but not giving imperials the chance to act upon your rebel-ness is somewhat onesided


FuschiaD
Sat May 01, 2004 1:03 pm
#15


This is in response to JohnMarble's post, as well as my general take on it.

I am currently an Imperial. As such, I do not buff Rebels. Period. End of story. True, they may be just going hunting... but I can't know that, and our server is VERY PvP oriented. I don't consider myself to be "being a jerk" to support my chosen faction. It is, as was previously stated, part of the GCW. Many Rebel players as a whole, I am quite fond of. There will be times when I'll dance alongside a Rebel master dancer friend of mine - she'll buff the Rebels, I'll buff the Imperials, and we'll split the neutrals down the middle. But I adamantly refuse to do anything that may help the Rebellion kill my friends and guildmates. That's my bottom-line reason. I'm not trying to be difficult and I'm not trying to be a *censored*. Taking down bases has nothing to do with it. It's when my friends start dying at the hands of the Rebels I just buffed that things get nasty. I will gladly do ID and sell clothes to anyone who wants it, because those aren't doing anything to help the GCW. But as a doctor, I did not buff Rebels, and as a dancer, I don't buff Rebels. If I were a Rebel, I would not buff Imperials.




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MasQLancer
Sat May 01, 2004 1:29 pm
#16

/poke Deila




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Xyrdre
Sat May 01, 2004 1:35 pm
#17







MasQLancer wrote:
/poke Deila







/eek!


Thanks, Zasz... I needed that.






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MasQLancer
Sat May 01, 2004 1:38 pm
#18

Anytime


on another note.. think ill go nap, see you in-game later






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Xyrdre
Sat May 01, 2004 1:40 pm
#19

And, after inadvertently hijacking this thread...


Me too. Up all night again.. time to nap. See ya tonight!



Now back to your regular programming...





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Drygo
Sat May 01, 2004 1:56 pm
#20

I completely agree that Fuschia's buffing policy is entirely valid and makes total sense from both an RP and a PvP point of view. I don't actually have any qualms whatsoever reconciling my current policy of not buffing overt imperials. When someone's overt they're ready to start PvP'ing and I'm just not going to help them kill members of my faction. My problem, mainly, is that as a human being, I just feel guilty about it to some extent, because the human part of me doesn't want to be an ass. But, I absolutely cannot reconcile, from an RP and PvP stance any reason whatsoever that I should buff an overt imperial. I think that most players will understand that. I certainly would if I was denied a buff. And, I have no problem whatsoever with this denied overt imperial trying to duel me or trash talking me. Because, quite frankly, I consider that to be an entirely in character response. I just like to think that behind the trash talking toon, is a human being who totally understands the validity of my reasoning and respects my style of gameplay as adding conflict and tension to the GCW. Problem is, you can't always tell what's going on in the human's mind.



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Nhari
Sat May 01, 2004 3:53 pm
#21

Just one last thought on this: buffing doesn't really exist in a roleplaying sense. I don't really think it would matter how well you danced, it's not going to improve the combat capability of poorly-trained soldier (certainly not enough to give them double the mind pool they have when they're completely healthy- 80 I.Q. to 160 I.Q.? I don't think so.). Will it take their mind off of their troubles for a bit? Sure thing, but not significantly more so than a regular performance would. Buffing is really a construct of game mechanics, another tool to bring people into cantinas; it's not much of a roleplaying device at all. In that sense, you're just dancing for the enemy, not actually buffing them. True, you're giving them a personal performance, but that's about all. Just think of buffing as giving a personal dance, nothing more, then build your roleplaying around that.



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Faellyn
Sat May 01, 2004 5:42 pm
#22

I not only don't buff, but I deny healing to anyone overt of the opposing faction. BUT, I always send the player a polite tell first, explaining that it's for role-playing reasons and should not in any way be taken as personal.



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JohnMarble
Sun May 02, 2004 5:19 am
#23






FuschiaD wrote:


This is in response to JohnMarble's post, as well as my general take on it.

I am currently an Imperial. As such, I do not buff Rebels. Period. End of story. True, they may be just going hunting... but I can't know that, and our server is VERY PvP oriented. I don't consider myself to be "being a jerk" to support my chosen faction. It is, as was previously stated, part of the GCW. Many Rebel players as a whole, I am quite fond of. There will be times when I'll dance alongside a Rebel master dancer friend of mine - she'll buff the Rebels, I'll buff the Imperials, and we'll split the neutrals down the middle. But I adamantly refuse to do anything that may help the Rebellion kill my friends and guildmates. That's my bottom-line reason. I'm not trying to be difficult and I'm not trying to be a *censored*. Taking down bases has nothing to do with it. It's when my friends start dying at the hands of the Rebels I just buffed that things get nasty. I will gladly do ID and sell clothes to anyone who wants it, because those aren't doing anything to help the GCW. But as a doctor, I did not buff Rebels, and as a dancer, I don't buff Rebels. If I were a Rebel, I would not buff Imperials.






See, the roleplaying angle I can understand, but I don't get your reasoning at all.


It's like kids playing cops and robbers, bang-bang you're dead. Maybe they are "killing" your friends, but they certainly aren't hurting your friends. Thereare absolutely zero penalties for "death." I figure I'm increasing the fun and challenge for people in my own faction. Now, if there was some sort of penalty for death, or some sort of reason behind it all, I could understand it. But really, somebody shoots an imperial and kills them, so what? It just doesn't matter.


ArgentWulf
Sun May 02, 2004 5:42 am
#24




You join a faction for a reason, be it to free the galaxy or bring chaos and strife. As such anyone from the opposite faction should realize this. So refusing to buff members of the opposing side should not be a moral dilemma. That being said it can be a deadly one. Back before the holo craze I was dancing in Moenia with Kirah and Roho and a few others when some PvP action broke out. A few Imps were wailing on a lone Reb. Well being a good little medic an at that time a little naive in the ways of politics I healed the Reb and picked up a TEF. The fight moved outside and I followed it to see what happened. I never said I was brilliant (I am blonde after all. . . thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it )! Well the reb died and one of the Imps asked me for a buff. I tred to point our diametrically oppossed political views but his reply was short and sweet . . . "Then you die!" At this time I had NO combat skills so he then proceeded to beat me to a pulp and finally DB'd me! As this was my first PvP death I was, to say the least, a little distraught. Of course he had every right to do this and I dont fault his loyalty , misguided as it is, but the extortion. . . .heck thats too nice a word. . .the BLACKMAIL was way out of line! My healing skill have gotten me into many problems since. It got so bad at one time Roho and Kirah didn't want me going out by myself. There was an equation . . . Moenia+healing rebs+overt Imps=dead Lei. The worst was at the Imp outpost on Dant. I healed some PvP Rebs who proceeded to attack everything in sight and I ended up burstruning from an AT-ST! Any way I picked up some combat skills at the expense of my Master Doc title , a girl has to be able to take care of herself after all. Anyway they say you always remember your first . . . PvP death that is, get your minds out of the gutter. When I finally get to be a TKMI will go hunting. Revenge is dish best served cold. I ramble and digress, the point is, faction members should realize your reluctance to buff them in lieu of the galactic war being waged right outside our door.



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CassieDancer
Sun May 02, 2004 6:54 am
#25

I'm also a Master Dancer and a Rebel and I have absolutely no problem buffing Imperials in a Cantina. It fits well within my roleplaying desire (I really play the game for roleplaying), works well for my personal fun factor, and performs a useful service.


From an IC point of view, nearly all the Rebels that are regulars at the cantinas I usually dance in know that I do it and don't say anything because they know I am performing a service. In fact, my guild leader encourages me to do it. It performs a servicefor guild and the Rebellion. I can live with the anger of some Rebels who don't understand--I believe in what I am doing.


From an OOC POV, you'd be surprised what a player might let slip when you are dancing for them and truly entertaining--chatting, flirting, focusing on them. The occational Rebel that comes in and gives me grief actually helps, because it makes my customers somewhat unsure of my alligience.


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FuschiaD
Sun May 02, 2004 8:24 am
#26






JohnMarble wrote:


See, the roleplaying angle I can understand, but I don't get your reasoning at all.


It's like kids playing cops and robbers, bang-bang you're dead. Maybe they are "killing" your friends, but they certainly aren't hurting your friends. Thereare absolutely zero penalties for "death." I figure I'm increasing the fun and challenge for people in my own faction. Now, if there was some sort of penalty for death, or some sort of reason behind it all, I could understand it. But really, somebody shoots an imperial and kills them, so what? It just doesn't matter.








Clearly you're not a roleplayer... or factioned for that matter.

When I'm in-game, yeah, I'm ME. But I'm also Avadiha, the Twi'lek dancer who feels a debt to the Empire for helping her see her worth. Is she going to betray that bond she feels by helping the enemy? Absolutely not. She may have her flaws, but she is loyal above all else, and she feels morally opposed to doing anything which may give the enemy an edge.

As for death penalties... that's not what it's about. At all. PvP isn't about penalties, it's about beating your opponent. My role as an Imperial dancer is to help the Empire put down the Rebellion. I can't do much, but I'll do everything I can.

If I wanted to buff everyone equally, I'd be neutral. But to me, that's no fun. It adds to the roleplaying fun to say "I'm sorry, I don't buff traitors of the Empire." Especially when I tell this to someone who ISN'T a roleplayer and proceeds to barrage me with obscenities, because, ya know, my ignore list just ISN'T long enough. :rolleyes:




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