Dancer Archive
Thread: Sorry to burst your bubble.
Taewyn
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:26 am
#14
No, it doesn't say anything. Long before I knew how to make a recursive macro I and many others just wrote long macros and came back every time we knew the macro had ended. I went from 30 minute macros to 6-7 hour macros to restart when I came home from work. Unless they're going to remove the system altogether there is no point. Adding a time limit to the usage of macros is ridiculous. Maybe if they add new content that can't be botted through people wouldn't sit around macroing. You're trying to fool yourself into believe this will make the game fun. How is not adding content and removing features going to give you something new to do in this game?
Adding a 20 minutes null void on macros would eliminate the "super" 2 hour+ macroes, without being deterimental to those who actually play...The only reason you say its rediculous is because you know, if the devs really wanted too, there would be no "work arounds"....
As for content that can not be "botted" through....If "Afking" is removed, then you can "bot" through dancer can you? 
...There for, by eliminating the "AFKing" they are adding content that "can not be botted through"."
...There for, by eliminating the "AFKing" they are adding content that "can not be botted through"."As for not adding contentand dissallowing features...I will tell you how dissallowing this feature will add content for me...
Back in the first days, right after Beta...I used to go to theed, and see about 10 combat guys and 5 or so entertainersall talking...The dancers were there spilling the BS that they overheard throughout the day. It was....Fun....I listened to them for my 10 minutes or so, then I left...but for those ten minutes, I did have a good time.
Now though, those dancers are mostly crafters....They never dropped dancers (because they love it) but they can not even talk to anyone in the cantina because of the bots....I go there now and find *no* one alive...Its horrible...
Some times the *best* way to add content, is to take something away from players that was allowing them to bypass the content in the first place....
Call of the Hero in EQ allowed people to "warp" through huge dungeons....The effect was devastating on many "high end" zones....They were compleated months before the "should" have been, because guilds could farm the end boss, without defeating the dungeon...In the end, it really "destroyed" much of the content in that dungeon...
So they "nerfed" it...In many places mages simply could not call of the hero....Then, all of the sudden, these dungeons became hard...guilds worked for weeks at defeating them. "Content" was added in the form of a nerf...
If you allow players to "bypass" content, they will.....Its the simple human tendacy to go with the path of least resistence.....Its why if you give people the option to macro AFK at work, they will take it...
Keep fooling youself and arguing a case that won't change a thing.
Your getting flustered...
...your arguments are not even close to logical anymoreand it will change a thing the AFK world is coming to an end...So, I will keep arguing and keep fighting your "vision" of an AFK game...
...your arguments are not even close to logical anymoreand it will change a thing the AFK world is coming to an end...So, I will keep arguing and keep fighting your "vision" of an AFK game...Message Edited by Taewyn on 08-02-2004 12:37 PM
Soulburner69
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:31 am
#15
as much as i dont like getting involved in many arguements, i'm going to say my bit in here!
"Adding a time limit to the usage of macros is ridiculous. Maybe if they add new content that can't be botted through people wouldn't sit around macroing"
that's the thing about the entertainer professions, we make our own content, wether that be conversing with the customers, or visiting exotic places, to see things, and meet new people, it's Player Driver Content!
"How is not adding content and removing features going to give you something new to do in this game?"
again, entertainers make their own content, but with the effect of afk macroing, and buff bots, it takes away our chances of making our own content, which partially is derived from conversation with other players. i've had people come into the cantina and aim to heal their mind/fatigue, and end up staying half an hour because they didnt spend their time watching themself heal, they spent time talking, and passing the "down time" from healing such things, constructively. and removing the ability to make macro's recursive, and possibly adding a time limit factor to how long one can last, would remove the not at the keyboard problem, and give people a chance to see what a real entertainer is, and maybe have fun in the process of it.
PhoenixStar
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:34 am
#16
Where the hell did you pull that from? My buff bot is in my guild's cantina, so take your assumptions and shove them right back in the place you pulled them from. I'm not taking away your precious tips, and getting rid of buff bots won't force people to tip you. They'll be just as rude and greedy as they are now, get over it and find a new way to make cash if that's what you're looking for lol. Why would I quit over this? I said nothing to lead anyone to believe I would be canceling, this will not effect my character personally as I've already stated. I've mastered my professions on all of my characters. It will hurt people who enjoyed being able to find services late at night and it will hurt artisans, it won't hurt me at all however.
Oqua wrote:
Maybe if they add new content that can't be botted through people wouldn't sit around macroing. You're trying to fool yourself into believe this will make the game fun. How is not adding content and removing features going to give you something new to do in this game
Please.
You are the one fooling yourself into thinking that you are just "enjoying" the game "your" way.
Lack of content isn't why you are a buffbot. You stated so in a previous post. The reason you are is because of your selfishness and greed. Let's call a spade a spade, mmmkay?
What I can't believe is that you (and the other "quiet" majority *sarcastic smile*)see nothing wrong in impeding and inhibiting others gameplay, yet cry foul when someone tries to throw a monkey wrench in your works.
Hopefully though one good thing will come of this. By cancelling your subscription (which is more then not an empty threat) that will be one less bot to deal with. *sweet smile*.
Shake-zula
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:36 am
#17
He's right, folks. Buffbots will never go away. Not while Drinky Drinky Birds exist. Drinky Drinky Birds can be set up to repeatedly tap a key, and this, in itself, can be a looping Macro. You're all screwed.
PhoenixStar
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:43 am
#18
Wow, sorry to say but everyone who had a problem with my saying a time limit on macros is ridiculous must be a moron. Every flourish, every action, everything you have hotkeyed is a macro. If you really want to have to wait 20 minutes inbetween flourishes, or 20 minutes in between a weapon equip or skill usage...well the shortbus can pick you up outside of your house so you don't get lost on the way to the looney bin.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, click all of your actions in the other sections. They all list / commands cause they're all macros. Which is why this discussion is a waste of time, this will solve nothing unless they completely overhaul everything they've done they will not stop afk bots. Period.
Message Edited by PhoenixStar on 08-02-2004 10:43 AM
picklesSW
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:45 am
#20
I live in daily fear of the drinky-drinky bird. I have nightmares where they tip...and then tip...and then tip...*shudder*.
Our professions will never be safe as long as those cursed birds are still on the market. We should engage in a mass mailing campaign to the company who makes them, detailing the threat they represent to the online game market, surely they will listen to reason!
Our professions will never be safe as long as those cursed birds are still on the market. We should engage in a mass mailing campaign to the company who makes them, detailing the threat they represent to the online game market, surely they will listen to reason!
Shake-zula
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:46 am
#21
They never listen... It's a sad, sad, Drinky-Drinky Bird world we live in, Jav...
Taewyn
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:47 am
#22
I'm not taking away your precious tips, and getting rid of buff bots won't force people to tip you. They'll be just as rude and greedy as they are now, get over it and find a new way to make cash if that's what you're looking for lol.
Actually, I disagree....With more then one of your assumptions here as well....
By getting rid of "buff bots" you are forcing people to use live entertainers....Those dancers/musicians can acitvely deny to buff somone or they can require payment before hand (like most doctors do)...There for, without the second account buff toons, or AFK bots (like yours) they can actually *charge* people for buffs....Right now though, why would someone pay? When they could get the same buff from any of the myriad number of AFKrs.
As for you not affecting the dancers on your server....By AFK buffing your guildies, your allowing them to bypass the cantina, ergo your taking their tips away from the live entertainers there. If you were *not* afking, then they would be making money...So yes, you do have a real impact on the game.
Not to mention, once the second account AFK/buff bots leave, guilds will activly have to recruit entertainers, as they do other professions....
Also, to mention Oqua...I think the last we checked, we had more money then we could shake a stick at...My armor buisness as well as her tailor buisnessdoes extreamlywell, and my Jedi grind has gave us a huge influx of credits....Lets just say, if ships in JTL cost 10 million credits, we will be able to buy a few
Oqua has never charged for buffs on our server ....We are only concerned for the community, not for money...
....We are only concerned for the community, not for money...So, again, your wrong.....
Oqua
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:50 am
#23
The only reason I continue to play is because when I'm not playing I know I can still get my money's worth by having my character in game when I do not have time to play.
Sorry if I misread what YOU posted and offended your sensibilities.
If it won't hurt you, then please don't post on things that are hurting the people who really wish to be entertainers, and aren't there simply to be that buffbot.
For someone who doesn't care one way or another (which is how you are intimating things now...funny how that changed from your previous posts), you seem to be spouting off an awful lot. Hmmm...perhaps you should take your own advice then and take your words and rhetoric and "shove them right back in the place where you pulled them from" *sweet smile*.
Oh...and I don't need money. This isn't about money to me. What it is about is where someone is shouting out things that do affect anothers gameplay, and doesn't give a hoot about what that does to the other person. Thats what this is about to me.
So you can take your advice on both counts, and don't make assumptions either...shove that with your rhetoric.
Taewyn
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:50 am
#24
Wow, sorry to say but everyone who had a problem with my saying a time limit on macros is ridiculous must be a moron. Every flourish, every action, everything you have hotkeyed is a macro. If you really want to have to wait 20 minutes inbetween flourishes, or 20 minutes in between a weapon equip or skill usage...well the shortbus can pick you up outside of your house so you don't get lost on the way to the looney bin.
Wow...Ok, your missed the concept of time limits compleatly....That is not even close to what is ment by that...
By a time limit I mean this...
Once certain actions are qued in one command string for over 20 minutes, that string is ended...
So, lets say you have a macro that flourishes once a minute...On the 20th minute, that command string is voided out by the system...Having a time delay between macroes *would* be insane, I do not know how you got that from my post hehe.
Edit: 20 minute timer limit, will do just that....
Rereading what I wrote, I can say your misunderstanding had nothing to do with me explaining it...You are not taking the time to read thoroughly, as I pointed out earlier....Before you call people "morons" you may actually want to read what were talking about.
Slow down and read carefully.....
Message Edited by Taewyn on 08-02-2004 12:54 PM
PhoenixStar
Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:57 am
#25
Taewyn wrote:
Wow, sorry to say but everyone who had a problem with my saying a time limit on macros is ridiculous must be a moron. Every flourish, every action, everything you have hotkeyed is a macro. If you really want to have to wait 20 minutes inbetween flourishes, or 20 minutes in between a weapon equip or skill usage...well the shortbus can pick you up outside of your house so you don't get lost on the way to the looney bin.
Wow...Ok, your missed the concept of time limits compleatly....That is not even close to what is ment by that...
By a time limit I mean this...
Once certain actions are qued in one command string for over 20 minutes, that string is ended...
So, lets say you have a macro that flourishes once a minute...On the 20th minute, that command string is voided out by the system...Having a time delay between macroes *would* be insane, I do not know how you got that from my post hehe.
Again that makes no sense as a person who is not afk would have to have a ton of flourish strings written out in multiple macros which is time consuming and alot of unnecessary button pushing. Sounds more like work than content to me.
I have a couple flourish strings written into my macro and that should be good enough. These ideas will hurt players who are actually playing the game, not players who are content playing afk. AFKers will just move back to private cantinas, level up, and then come right back, so that still wouldn't stop anyone.
What about players who use certain skills one after the other. They'd get a message saying they need to wait 20 minutes to use that string again? You might think having to change your macro every 20 minutes sounds like fun, but that's really unnecessary and would ruin the game. I use the exact same macro on my creature handler all the time /tellpet ak; /pause 4;/follow; /attack; ...yeah a time limit would really work. 
Taewyn
Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:04 am
#26
What about players who use certain skills one after the other. They'd get a message saying they need to wait 20 minutes to use that string again? You might think having to change your macro every 20 minutes sounds like fun, but that's really unnecessary and would ruin the game. I use the exact same macro on my creature handler all the time /tellpet ak; /pause 4;/follow; /attack; ...yeah a time limit would really work.
No, you are *still* not understanding...Let me try to explain one more time...
You have a macro that has this in its string...( this is just an example!!)
/flourish 1
/pause 360
/flourish 2
/pause 360
/flourish 3
/pause 360
/flourish 4
/pause 360
/flourish 5<----(20 minute mark. At this point the system does a /dump command and ends the macro)
/pause 360
/flourish 6
ect
ect
ect (for a long time)
Now, you can restart this macro *whenever* you want...Hell, you could hit the button again before it ends if you want...However, a macro string will not run for longer then 20 minutes...*thats* what I ment....And that will probably be instituted to stop people from creating these "8 hour" super macros...
So again, one more time, *no* this will not have any effect on the time between macros *OR* the time between actions within that macro..It will only effect the maximum length of time that macro can run....
Edit: what I really dont get is how you got the "20 minutes" between each macro thing...That is not only absurd, it would also not solve the problem of people creating 8 hour macros (ie you could make the 8 hour macro anyway, and then what? Not use it again for 20 minutes? Is this really what you thought anyone was saying? Really?)
Message Edited by Taewyn on 08-02-2004 01:12 PM