Dancer Archive
Thread: Completly rediculous.
Ninja007 wrote:This sort of thing is the INEVITABLE result of the whole "you are FORCED to visit entertainers & bullied to "tip" them" system, which dancers themselves are largely responsible for. Hint: that AFK Rebel-buffer is not someone's characer for real....it's their SECONDARY or TETRIARY account. That's why they power-ground out the xp then don't care about the money or anything. That character, like SO many entertainers, might as well be named "Buffer to max out my OTHER characters".
People would rather pay extra, have a "mule" who can also do everything they don't care to bother with but want easy convenient access to, & al without being at the mercy of anyone else. These people found a way to beat the skill point system AND play SWG as a single-player game where they are the star.
I agree the whole thing BLOWS & it's partially idiot player's fault, partially the whole worthless "buff" system (especially the doctor buffs), & to a lesser degree, Hollow-cronners. It's just a workaround, but it IS dumb to expect a city like Anchorhead, which is a center for Rebel war efforts, to NOT have players who do all they can to support that effort. If I was involved in that, & want to actually help the Rebellion, I would NOT be charging for buffs. That's almost like sabotaging your own side. That's like doing a mission in a group & having the medic not rez you unless you tip him.Find a new city. Maybe go to Bestine =)
If rebels tipped i wouldnt have to charge for buffs now would I. and before iget all flamed or whatever i was rebel i was rebel for longer than most of the rebels currently in ah have played the game. but I got sick to death of little 12 year old morons sending me hate tells fo not buffing rebels free or reporting me for buffing imperials. Yes no matter what faction i am i charge bot sides for buffs i charg everyone the same price and I dont deny healin based on faction. having said that whne i was a rebel no imp ever attacked me while i was dancing wether i was teffed or overt. however since i have gone imp i have had 4 rebels in a week attack me whie i was dancing one cm poisened and diseased me for not buffing him.
Ninja007 wrote:
This sort of thing is the INEVITABLE result of the whole "you are FORCED to visit entertainers & bullied to "tip" them" system, which dancers themselves are largely responsible for.
Dancers did not set the mission payout levels, nor did we invent the system by which others were forced to come to us to heal BF. We cannot be blamed for the animosities of others that I believe are the product of the systems we have been handed. It is not a question of having half, three-quarters, or full brains. Dancers did not create these systems, yet you'veimplied that we're somehow responsible for their existence. If these systems were indeed begged for by entertainers, and later granted by the devs, then I apologize for my ignorance on the matter.
The issues behind the few calls for "forced tipping" (which as I remember was not agreed on as a good idea, on the whole) are, I believe, a desperate cry to find some way to not be absolutely dependant on charity. I think we've all agreed that it's not good that for even basic sustenance in the economy that we rely entirely on generosity. As you (and many others) havementioned, the pathetically low pay from entertainer missions means that we are reliant on tips from services provided. Ideas for enforced tipping may not have been the best ideas, but I think that everyone is so frustrated about the lack of a decent place for us in the economy that they're just throwing any idea into the mix.
For any profession to have a place in the big picture of a player-driven economy, there must by system integration. There must be overlap of shared needs or wants, otherwise we are all encouraged into isolation... which I think is the opposite goal of an MMORPG. BF and blue healing, and buffs, were the way the devs integrated our professions into theeconomic system, but left compensation for these services out of our hands.Do players hate docs because the have to go to them to get medical buffs? Do players hate weaponsmiths because they have to go to them to buy weapons? Do they hate weaponsmiths for charging moneyfor the weapons they sell? Would crafters be happy if they couldn't put prices on items ontheir vendors, but instead had to rely on what players taking those items felt like chipping in, if anything at all?
Beyond that, players do not have to come to entertainers to heal BF if they really don't want to. They can sit in a nice, quiet empty cantina somewhere and heal that BF very slowly, the same way they can sit in a med center and heal wounds very slowly. By seeing a doc or an entertainer, they can be on their way a lot quicker, and that's the service provided. Denyservice, from what I heard, was intended to be a recourse in dealing with socially abusive, griefing players... and not merely as a revenge tactic to "enforce" tipping. Although it's likely to have been used for the latter, the former is in my opinion a valid scenario to justify /deny 's existence.
We'll all have our opinions. It was not my intent to engage you in any kind of troll-war, Ninja. There are problems with the enterainer professions, and everyone is just a bit frustrated by those problems. But on the whole, I do not think that dancers or musicians are directly responsible for the animosities directed at us. To say that we are, I feel, is just additional misplaced frustrationwith the systems as a whole.
Leana_Txorana wrote:but dont afk grind in two weeks what it took me two months to get then take away my sole source of income.====================================================================================If they had spent two months on another planet and then came to your cantina and took away your sole source of income ... would you be happier? It seems the problem is more that you have competition than the method they took to get there.
no i have a problem peoples second account buff bots taking away a dancers dole source of income if an actual entertainer wants to take place in the gcw by giving out free buffs thats there buisness but i watched this peraon afk thru the entire two weeks spamming asking for tips and heals only coming back to get trained which i wouldnt do then back to afk macroing then when she got master she sits there and gives out free buffs. and personally i do have a problem with dancers giving out free buffs it undermines the ability of other players who depend on that income for credits.and i have no problem with competition other master dancers come in at times and sell buffs i have no problem with them thats there buisness but how would you like it if you were say a docbusting your but to get master and someone macros thru the whole thing crafting and healing then sits right down next to you giving out free buffs.
Message Edited by Drygo on 04-22-2004 03:29 PM
Makes sense that doctors wouldn't give it away since it costs them money.