Dancer Archive
Thread: Completly rediculous.
Unless the foundations of the gameare basedaround the concept that only players play, then the game doesn't make sense, Fainora. And let me tell you, there is a whole lot that is not making sense in this game. Characters that "non-play," yet influence the game world in a way that duplicate play are not under the same constraints of playability as players like you have. Its what makes them superhuman in their ability to be so generous and available. Its not the skill boxes or the effort. Its ONLY the ability to remove their character from the constraints of playability that they are able to do the things they do. However, it is only this way because the unattended character does not have any aspect to it that needs to find satisfaction or enjoyment. The player merely goes away from the tools of play, or switches to an alternative character, and leaves the unattended entity run. It simply does what it does, whether there is any enjoyment factor or reward or not.
The entire entertainment industry on the servers is not player driven. Its non-player driven. While I have a pretty good idea of what it takes to play an entertainer, I do not understand how to "not play" an entertainer. Its because any player that tries to mimic a buffbot will ultimately fail. A player cannot be rationally expected to be available all the time giving out the benefits of the skills they gain for no reward. It makes the simulation not make sense, because there is no real life example of a person doing the kind of things buffbots do.
The question I always tell the beneficent buffbot is this: If you had to attend to your character in order to provide the same free 24/7 service you do, could you do it? I never seem to get them to answer, but we know what the answer is. They couldn't. Its unreasonable to think that individuals would pay $15 a month sacrificing all manner of enjoyment, recompense, or neccessitiy to break from the game world to attend to other more important matters of the day. The reason such unattended characters have a place is not because the player enjoys being the character, but because the player wants to influence the game world in a certain way that normal play cannot duplicate.
And yet there are a few of us that still are under the assumption that players should be the ones that do the work in this game, not non-players. Those are you and I, Fainora. Yet we are forced to somehowjustify ourplace in the economy when there are entities in the game world that can do our jobin waysthat are impossible for live players to duplicate. And until the matter of unattended characters is resolved, the relevance ofreally playing the game will be in question.
fortunately i don't rely on my dancer/politician "income", and that i don't play on live with buff bots, ugh! *shudder*there are people bragging on the forums about how fast they can grind musician/dancer, and ones that grinded and think they know all about entertaining. a lot of people don't understand that there's more to entertaining than setting up a macro to dance or play, and they look down on entertainers that actually "waste" their time atk. they won't understand us now, and they never will.
i guess the best thing for you to do is to interact with people coming into the cantina. there are still some people who would prefer to chat and social with a live entertainer rather than a buff bot. maybe too few, but they are still around...
Einhinder wrote:
I have been a dancer since the first week ofthe game and a master for a while now. i usually always dance in ah and make a living selling mindbuffs to the many people who pvp there.
Bansheekry wrote:
Einhinder wrote:
I have been a dancer since the first week ofthe game and a master for a while now. i usually always dance in ah and make a living selling mindbuffs to the many people who pvp there.If you are a rebel yourself, you have the option of going overt and giving a higher mindbuff to overt rebels. So not only can you provide attention to your fellow rebs, you can show that you're willing to brave danger for the causeI don't believe an AFK buffbot will be able to top that.
Except that last I heard, no one seems to be able to get this to work. Has anyone confirmed the way to get the faction bonus to happen?
Fidlaf wrote:
You chat with me, show me that your not afk, and you're likely to get a 100k tip. The money doesn't mean diddly to me but the fun chatting ingame does
It's nice to see that there are still some people who care. Thank you.
Fidlaf wrote:
You chat with me, show me that your not afk, and you're likely to get a 100k tip. The money doesn't mean diddly to me but the fun chatting ingame does
Yes, in my experience (at least on Ahazi) these people still exist. Even if it's not 100k tips, there are still plenty who show appreciation for the live performers who still care. Sometimes it's tips, sometimes it's a great time, sometimes it's all of the above. I just like seeing it work the way I envision it's supposed to... with the party going strong!
It's a serious problem. I see the same thing, buffbots parked in all the cantinas, shouting and buffing for free. It means I no longer get called to buff, and when I do, now people actually think they shouldn't have to pay for it. I get it all the time now, and it's especially irritating when I go out of my way to helpthese people when I could be doing something else.
I've said this before, and entertainers seem to universally hate the idea: buffing should cost the entertainer something tangible. There should be some sort of cost (besides time/skillpoints). I'm talking cold hard credits, something must be crafted prior to buffing. This will make the buffbots go into the 6k entrance fee med centers with the doc buffbots. Docs have no problem with their buffbots, because they aren't sitting next to them, spamming how they'll offer the same service for free!
The Jedi revamp will NOT help matters. People will be playing Jedis on their main characters, and will be given their "mule" slot for their doc/ent buffbots. If anything, I see the situation becoming worse.
JohnMarble wrote:
The Jedi revamp will NOT help matters. People will be playing Jedis on their main characters, and will be given their "mule" slot for their doc/ent buffbots. If anything, I see the situation becoming worse.
From what I've heard this is not exactly true.
What I hear is that after the revamp, players won't automatically get a second slot right away. They'll have to work their primary character to Jedi Knight, then do another series of quests to obtain the second slot. It's all very vague in some random post that I saw. I'll try to find it.
I've been wondering for ages exactly HOW this revamp is designed to work... /shrug all I'm concerned about is being able to be a Force Sensitive Image Designer.
*area force ID's neon green eyeshadow*
Bwahahaha.
FuschiaD wrote:
I've been wondering for ages exactly HOW this revamp is designed to work... /shrug all I'm concerned about is being able to be a Force Sensitive Image Designer.
*area force ID's neon green eyeshadow*
Bwahahaha.
/wavehand A mohawk and bright pink eyeshadow will be fine...
/chuckle
This sort of thing is the INEVITABLE result of the whole "you are FORCED to visit entertainers & bullied to "tip" them" system, which dancers themselves are largely responsible for. Hint: that AFK Rebel-buffer is not someone's characer for real....it's their SECONDARY or TETRIARY account. That's why they power-ground out the xp then don't care about the money or anything. That character, like SO many entertainers, might as well be named "Buffer to max out my OTHER characters".
People would rather pay extra, have a "mule" who can also do everything they don't care to bother with but want easy convenient access to, & al without being at the mercy of anyone else. These people found a way to beat the skill point system AND play SWG as a single-player game where they are the star.