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Thread: So this is common practice....

ladylovelorn
Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:35 pm
#14


I guess i feel like calling her pathetic, self-loathing, soul sucking ect is far worse than auto buffing....You may not like her technique but that doesn't give you the right to be quite so degrading (IMHO)

but this is just one of the many examples why i left the profession and rarely even bother to read these boards.


Obviously the two sides are never going to agree on this issue. Either you are ok with auto dancers or you are not. Since the current rules don't forbid it-it seems like the best thing to is just deal with it within yourself. Write an angry letter to the developers and vow to never become that what you despise. whatever-Just keep it constructive. Don't lower yourself so much as to resort to malicious immature name calling. (Even if maybe to you it seems sarcastic and harmless.) Its just not healthy for anyone.


I hate coming to these boards and seeing the same bickering time and time again. It's a real drag and it makes me question whether this is really a community or just a place for self righetous know -it -alls to bully people around.
Ramona_Garcia
Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:01 am
#15

Well, when I heard that ichben, the master griefer of Starsider, ahd gotten a badge for remarkable personality I knew the devs handing those out were nuts, so I don't really care about the badge.


I just hope they add a code for /setperform like it is required when you redeed a structure, and nerf group buffs.



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picklesSW
Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:59 am
#16


ladylovelorn wrote:
I guess i feel like calling her pathetic, self-loathing, soul sucking ect is far worse than auto buffing....





If you are unable to see the humor in my post, you need an attitude check. It was chock full of sarcasm, humor and I even put a big fat smiley at the end. The difference between me and her is that I'm poking fun at her in a humorous manner. There's nothing funny about what she (and others like her) are doing to the entertainment professions.

Message Edited by picklesSW on 07-19-2004 08:07 AM




Goldy_Lhim
Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:16 am
#17

This screenshot makes me very sad. Not to toot my own horn but I think back on all I've done for my profession and galaxy in general and then someone like this gets a badge to show off. I can think of at least 3 other master dancers on Kauri that are fabulous at what they do yet they aren't recognized either. I had an interest in hopefully earning one of these special badges, but to be put in the same category as this macro-entertainer, ummm no thanks.



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FuschiaD
Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:18 am
#18






ladylovelorn wrote:


I guess i feel like calling her pathetic, self-loathing, soul sucking ect is far worse than auto buffing....You may not like her technique but that doesn't give you the right to be quite so degrading (IMHO)

but this is just one of the many examples why i left the profession and rarely even bother to read these boards.


Obviously the two sides are never going to agree on this issue. Either you are ok with auto dancers or you are not. Since the current rules don't forbid it-it seems like the best thing to is just deal with it within yourself. Write an angry letter to the developers and vow to never become that what you despise. whatever-Just keep it constructive. Don't lower yourself so much as to resort to malicious immature name calling. (Even if maybe to you it seems sarcastic and harmless.) Its just not healthy for anyone.


I hate coming to these boards and seeing the same bickering time and time again. It's a real drag and it makes me question whether this is really a community or just a place for self righetous know -it -alls to bully people around.







*rolls eyes*


Let me get a stepstool for you... I know it's gotta be hard, getting down off that high horse you're on.


As to this issue: it blows. SOE needs to train their CSR's better on who is deserving of these badges, and who is not. Obviously, she is not.




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ladylovelorn
Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:57 pm
#19

ya'll can flame me as much as you want I'm not scared of your one stars


pickless -i believe isaid "Even if maybe to you it seems sarcastic and harmless" so maybe you need to re-read my post.


Frankly people don't like playing online games because other people are always trying to bully them into playing a certain way.


If you have a problem with game mechanics take it up with the management....but please leave the players alone.


I don't think it is overly self righteous to expect my fellow board members to be polite instead of the endless biting sacrasm that I am met with time and time again on these boards.


You have no idea if that person reads the boards or not. You know nothing about them or the things they care about.
FuschiaD
Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:07 pm
#20






ladylovelorn wrote:

ya'll can flame me as much as you want I'm not scared of your one stars


pickless -i believe isaid "Even if maybe to you it seems sarcastic and harmless" so maybe you need to re-read my post.


Frankly people don't like playing online games because other people are always trying to bully them into playing a certain way.


If you have a problem with game mechanics take it up with the management....but please leave the players alone.


I don't think it is overly self righteous to expect my fellow board members to be polite instead of the endless biting sacrasm that I am met with time and time again on these boards.


You have no idea if that person reads the boards or not. You know nothing about them or the things they care about.




Translation: That screenshot was of her.


Listen up, sweet cheeks. We dancers ARE the alternative playstyle. We don't blow things up 24/7, we're not obsessed with being the biggest and the baddest, having the best armor, the best weapons, etc. So don't lecture us about bullying people into playing a certain way. We'd just like to see these people playing AT ALL. Whether you care to admit it or not, AFK buffbots are a detriment to our profession... they are CERTAINLY not a credit. These players make a conscious decision to run a buffbot. They choose to not play. Do I have a problem with that? Heck, yes.





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ladylovelorn
Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:22 pm
#21

I'm not saying you shouldn't have a problem with that.


I'm just saying whether you have a problem with the system or not - it is a problem with the system- not the players.


How other people play their game is not up to you to decide.


You areAWARDED the freedom to comment so why waste it on beingunconstuctive

Drygo
Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:36 pm
#22






ladylovelorn wrote:

I'm not saying you shouldn't have a problem with that.


I'm just saying whether you have a problem with the system or not - it is a problem with the system- not the players.


How other people play their game is not up to you to decide.


You areAWARDED the freedom to comment so why waste it on beingunconstuctive








Well, I would have to agree with your premise. However, I think the premise has faulty logic. You believe that playing afk is playing. I don't. So, fundamentally, I do not consider an afk buffbot a valid gameplay style because it is not gameplay. I consider it a soulless demon who is sucking the life out of my profession.


Back before buffbots made an appearance anda dancer wasbuffing for free in the same Cantina I was in, I didn't like it. In fact, it kinda pissed me off, but I kept it in and never made one post about it because that was their choice while they were playing. I thought they were a detriment to those out there that were trying to make a living. But, again, they can do whatever they want. They were actually playing and probably had valid reasons for doing what they were doing, whether it was altruism or whatever. It was up to me, as a fellow player to make people want my buffs and to compete or find my niche in a Cantina elsewhere that needed my services. Believe it or not, there used to be a time on my server where there was a mild form of "pricewars." There were plenty of dancers going around to buff people. Sometimes I could get away with charging 10K a buff, sometimes I lowered my price to 3K depending on how many people were there and what the competition was, and what planet I was on. It was healthy, it was good.


I cannot compete against a free buffbot who is up 23/7. One free buffbot playing 23/7 in a Cantina makes the rest of us obsolete. There is no competition here. All it is, is someone who willingly knows that they are detriment to our profession and doesn't give a rat's ass what they are doing to us. It's a selfish mindset. And, anyone who is that gosh darned selfish deserves the wrath that they get.




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ladylovelorn
Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:12 pm
#23

I just don't think it is that cut and dry but -whatever its a moot point because you have it in your head the situation going on behind a buff bot -which is they are not playing.


I guess i would argue (just because now i'm all stirred up) that in actuality since you are not the person running the buff bot you have no idea what is really going on.


for example i may have two computers. I may be buffing with my master docter live and with my dancer afk. Then i may switch for awhile. Or i may take my doctor on a group hunt and leave my auto buffer behind so when i return not only do i know she is there for my group but she has also earned her keep while i was gone. while this behavior may bother you it is practical for may other game players.


The arguement could also be made if these buff bots are stealing your clients then maybe your needs as a player and the needs of your customers are not being met. This may mean you have to change your tactic to keep the business or go somewhere more intuned with your playstyle.


I think that is the purpose of player cities and PAs. In a player city or PAs you can have more clearly defined standards of conduct.
picklesSW
Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:11 am
#24

"If you have a problem with game mechanics take it up with the management....but please leave the players alone."

I'm a little tired of players hiding behind that rhetoric as an excuse to behave in a fashion that ruins the gameplay of others. I will not stand by and condone such behavior simply because the mechanics of the game allow it, rather I will hold my fellow players to the high standards that I hold myself to, that of playing the game my way, so long as it does not negatively impact the gameplay of others. I hold the player accountable, first and foremost, and always will. Just because you can do a thing, does not mean you should.

I stand by the meaning of what I said, and I also stand by the humor in which I conveyed it. If you're going to come here and defend buffbots, you're going to have few friends and a lot of arguments.




Amida_Enterprises
Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:26 am
#25

buffbots are the saddest thing ever.. closely followed by their relatives, the AFK grinders..


You say she might read these boards and take offense?


Frankly I don't care one credit about the opinion of a buff-bot cause I don't have an inkling of respect for him/her


might be fun having a buffbot in this thread defending her actions actually, I could use a laugh..



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Rubicon48BC
Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:18 am
#26

'Buffbots' are not players. Invariably buffbots will be second or third characters to a main account.


Now I am in the process of grinding up a musician/dancer buffbot, so let me respond. Buffbots are a result mostly of the hologrind. When it started in earnest, last november, cantinas became filled with AFK grinders thus making real entertainers nearly invisible.


As a result, I have found it more and more difficult to get mindbuffs at all, since the grinders were master for maybe 5 minutes, while the real entertainers were nowhere to be found. Furthermore, for some reason I encountered ever greater disinterest to outright hostility when I requested to be buffed. Half the time I was and I still am being ignored, even though I never walked in with a 'Give me buffs' demand or anything like that. So recently I have given up on finding available and friendly ATK entertainers and decided to make a buffbot for my personal use and use by my PA.


I'd rather not have done that, but the current state of affairs leaves little choice.


Hopefully, with the end of the hologrind, entertainers will return/become more visible and more friendly again, butgreat damage has been done to the image of entertainersand I am not sure that there will be a full recovery. I will keep my buffbot, unless I see a notable improvement in the availability of entertainers who are also willing to buff.


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