Dancer Archive

Yay, one starred because I made an ent made.

Message Edited by arobus06 on 07-03-2004 01:28 PM

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arobus06 wrote:

Just because you afk some or all of an ent prof doesnt mean you dont have a desire to learn how to put on a good show. Also, like the med center, I look at the cantina asa place I go to for heals. I dont look for a good who, I dont have my volume on I just heal. Thats how most of the people are in this game. People can learn on their own how to do stuff so it never was your responsibility to teach them, they can learn on their own if they desire it. Dont look down on AFK player so badly as you do have a boring prof no ways around it. I dont pay my month amount to have a chat service with a dancing icon. Do master ents ( or as they like to be viewed, the true entertainers) ever go out and find new venues to do your acts at? Do you ever form a band and annouce your doing a concert in the empty theatre halls in cities? Do you ever go to large events and do your thing there? The cantina is not your only home, you get healing exp there and thats about it. Find new venues so you can still enjoy your prof that you choose to play and let others play how they want. You wont ever change everybody, and there is no sense in trying to be mean about it since there is no real way to change it. Just find new ways to enjoy what you play as.

Message Edited by arobus06 on 07-03-2004 01:27 PM

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I think you got half the point of my post. I do participate in a huge number of "away from the cantina" events. I've performed at parties, weddings, museum and business openings, promotionals for towns, cross-server entertainer events and a music video (more in the making) and modeled in fashion shows. Players on my server frequently turn to me when looking for entertainers, chefs and waitstaff, locations and coordinators for weddings and other events. I've a long list of experienced players that I can call upon to fill these positions (I never ask for pay to coordinate entertainment for events) but the list is still not long enough. I have no problem finding masters of the professions. I do have trouble finding experienced players who know how to use their skills! It seems everyone has rushed to wear that master tag without bothering to learn what they're doing.

(btw..I didn't 1-star you..sorry to see that)

Message Edited by Esharra on 07-03-2004 12:35 PM

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arobus06 wrote:

With that out of the way, your profession is a great profession and when I did grind it I did have fun with it and it made the grind some what more enjoyable again. That's great to hear. Most who take on the profession do enjoy certain aspects of it. It's a welcome break from the general combat grind.

Its a great social profession if all you want to do is socialize, but that just makes the game more seem like a chat room rather than a game. On this point, I both agree and disagree. On one hand, you're correct in the recognition that it turns the cantina into a "chat room" of sorts. I don't want to get into the merits/downsides of buffbots, but there are several forces at work that greatly detract from the social experience. It's difficult to perform when surrounded by afk entertainers that cannot be moved to clear a cantina floor for a true group performance. It's nearly impossible to attract patrons to provide buffs to when you have a BuffBot standing in the corner looping a 30 second advertisement of free buffs and enhancements to all 3 mind stats when the real entertainer can often only do Mind OR Focus/Willpower. (There's very little income at the Master Level of Entertaining Professions, so most have taken up a profession to supplement their entertaining hobby.)

If you want to get some enjoyment out of it again, let your server know your services are for higher at social gatherings. The cantina should not be your only place to call home. I agree, but the cantina should remain a social environment, and not a place to afk-grind a profession Please refer to the following:

1.When the entertainer class was created, what was the vision for role that entertainers would play in the grand scheme of things? Do you see entertainers now as filling that role?

....the Entertainer was, at its heart, meant to appeal to the socializers in the game.... Basically, we wanted to make them feel like they were contributing to the online community even while just hanging out and chatting. To that end, we made them part of the healing cycle....

We also hoped that, by driving other players to the Entertainers in cantinas, cantinas would become social hubs where players enjoy some downtime, swapping stories and meeting one another.....

Shug_Ninx

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Most masters will let the community know that they are available for various functions, and will seek out fun in their own ways. Because the cantinas have become dull (due largely to the afk trend), and in part as a result of increasing numbers of BuffBots, masters have been seeking other venues on a regular basis. THIS is why you don't see them in the public cantinas as often as you would like. THIS is why people recall the "good old days" when cantinas were filled with friendly, interesting entertainers. They have since moved on to avoid the spam and hassle of dealing with false entertainers.

Heck, when I was in line waiting for buffs I just played music, and usually be the time I got to the front I had made enough to pay the doc for the buffs.Hehe, that's actually a nice idea. I've done starports and shuttles, but never bufflines That could be fun. (When did you perform though? I've not received a /tip in quite some time. New players will tip, as will those who receive buffs, but generally speaking...nobody tips their entertainers anymore. I would argue that this has to do with the constant afk spam....)

Give the afkers all the healing exp so the can get to master and move on or stay at master. If you areamaster you have no need for healing exp and can go elsewhere to entertain, play near buffs lines to lessen the bore, go to big gatherings on your server and get noticed. I wouldn't deny them their healing xp, only ask that they stand to the side. Healing xp comes when anybody in the group is watched by an injured player. Those in the center of the floor would be the ones that provide the healing xp for the afkers. I don't find "mooching" healing xp to be great, but then again, that results from afk entertainment, which is what I'm arguing against here

If you are a mster dont limit yourself to the cantina, show your skills off elsewhere and maybe people will view ents in a new light.

Not without a change taking place in the cantinas, sorry I simply have to disagree with that statement.

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arobus06 wrote:

Esharra, I dont seem to see your complant. To me it seems you are the apex of an entertainer, you do it all and do it well it seems. Just keep on keeping on and the newbs will eventually learn, but like I said, most profs in this game arent worth anything anymore unless you have that master tag hanging above your head.

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I can't do it all alone Arobus..and neither can Til. As far as my limited logic has figured, we need something to make it worthwhile for players learning the profession to actually *learn* it before they get the master tag. Without the knowledge of how to use the tools, they can't expect to be anything more than buffbots.

And btw..I never wear the master tag..haven't since last August. I prefer being known as Enthraller. I think I'm pretty Enthralling right?

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Esharra wrote:

. I think I'm pretty Enthralling right?

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Esharra wrote:

Check out the date on my post in this thread..

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Tralmek wrote:

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Esharra wrote:

Check out the date on my post in this thread..

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The thread you pointed to isone of the earlier discussions about that, but there are even older ones, I remember seeing some from mid-July '03. /shrug

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Lopaka79 wrote:

im still hologrinding till PUB 10 since we still have a chance to unlock and have a jedi when PUB 10 comes out... But i do try to stay active while doing Musician atm...The way i do it is just to be Band Leader.... In all honesty the entertainer Profs (Dancer & Musician) needs a revamp... I propose in this revamp that there would be ways to keep a person active IE more options tthan just Macro flourishing witch would then be rewarded more xp. Also i had an Idea of puting JukeBoxes in cantinas everywhere. This would give any player an option to just heal in a local empty npc cantina. The boxes would heal a little slower than any novice but better than normal entertainers. Im sure this would force alot of entertainers who want xp and such to move else where iether than theed or coro. Maybe its a silly idea but I feel it would better the professions

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