Dancer Archive

Thread: no afk xp

Coreena
Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:57 am
#14



emubitter wrote:
Not nothing at all but to master an elite profession.most people who go in a cantina dont pay much attention to the lower level ents because they dont have buffs or they're not as good.Therefore the money doesnt come in which, in any profession, is needed wether to buy instruments or clothing or a new house or furniture, just anything that combat trades get to buy.I know, if i dont like it i should just go to combat trades...fair enough but again in all fairness i would like to have been able to work my character up the way everybody else has.Wether its for the conversation or meeting people or whatever, everybody has been afk and everybody has used a macro.



Ever thought about the possibility that noone ever tips you because you ARE AFK?
Think about it.

If I come to a cantina on my combat char to get a buff, I tip the ATK entertainers only (and that doesn't mean those without a (AFK) tag above their head, but those that actually reacted and talked to me). Who cares if I get my buff in 1 or 3 minutes? I don't.

If you're afk, I won't even watch you, much less give you money.

On my dancer I have no problems getting tips, if you chat and interact with the people they will tip you. Not all certainly, but some.

Oh and I /ex dancers/musician, and if they have a "top 10 tippers list" they won't get my money either, no matter if AFK or not.





Coreena Telios
Master Dancer
Starsider Galaxy
EevaaAmor
Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:54 am
#15



Thinking back.. I think the only time I ever went afk for any kind of extended period of time was when I was leveling up dancer, and I was working through one of the traveling dances. You know, the ones that make you cross the room and the room moves with you. I had the flu at the time, and watching it made me nauseated from all the movement on the screen.


To try to battle this, and remain ATK... I hit ctrl-S and had my skill screen up to cover up the screen, and just watched my chat box. True story.



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Ramona_Garcia
Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:15 am
#16

Hm... when I levelled dancer we had no tumble, and I hate poplok, so I did popular 2 until I got exotic1 and2. But those were the days of tons of people watching us.



Ramona Garcia
Dancer
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Lilithiel
Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:23 am
#17





emubitter wrote:

in all fairness i would like to have been able to work my character up the way everybody else has. ... everybody has been afk and everybody has used a macro.





Not to beat this dead horse, but there are lots of entertainers, dancers, and musicians who worked towards mastery of their professions while looking at their characters for hours on end for months just for experience, without going AFK while skill animating. And they enjoyed it because they were interacting with people. It took me three months to master dancer the first time around, and I didn't even learn how to do an alias macro until two weeks ago(more the newb, me). I think you'll find this is somewhat common here.





emubitter wrote:
working up towards a master dancer or musician is too tedious for the amount of money gotten so maybe the best solution is to get rid of the entertainer professions





I think you may find that if you interact with the people in the cantinas instead of going AFK, or go out to where there are people to interact with, you won't find it tedious, nor will you be worrying about money. I'm sure there's a better solution to your problem; suggesting the removal of all entertainer professions because you don't enjoy being at the keyboard sounds a little extreme.


It would be nice if this bug were a feature instead.

Panthu
Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:43 am
#18

I think 3 months is normal for playing a normal schedule 100% ATK. That's what it took me the first time and that's the amount I hear others say the most too. My second time took me under a week.


Two weeks of hardcore ATK leveling has gotten me to master too. I've mastered so many times though, I just don't really understand the point of pushing any of the methods. I play level ATK usually because it's more fun and I can mess around with other profs while I do it. I AFK level in a private place where no one can see my av or get to it and I know I'm not hurting anyone else if I'm in a rush.


I've never really understood why anyone would care how someone levels as long as it doesn't hurt them. *shrug* I've got my 100% atk leveler badge though, many times over. I'm just not a purist about it, heh.






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emubitter
Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:14 pm
#19


Clarification: I never expected tips from being afk because people will usually watch the master dancer/musician to get faster buffs which is the reason why i want to speed up the leveling process, so that then, i may get some tips as well, atk.as far as finding a spot in the desert to afk, i do it in cantinas so i can be grouped and get more xp.i dont use this game as a chat room although i do communicate with others, i just want to play it.And like old blue eyes said " I did it myyyyyyyy wayyyyyyyy"



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Panthu
Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:03 pm
#20






emubitter wrote:


Clarification: I never expected tips from being afk because people will usually watch the master dancer/musician to get faster buffs which is the reason why i want to speed up the leveling process, so that then, i may get some tips as well, atk.as far as finding a spot in the desert to afk, i do it in cantinas so i can be grouped and get more xp.i dont use this game as a chat room although i do communicate with others, i just want to play it.And like old blue eyes said " I did it myyyyyyyy wayyyyyyyy"




Who said anything about the desert? You get a small house, make it private, and eat up all your machine's resources while you pay not to play. I get snobby self righteousness about afk leveling even less than I do about atk leveling. AFK leveling is stupid. It'sa waste of time, money, and a machine. It can be a means to an end though if you are in a hurry to master for some reason.


No one actually enjoys afk leveling, there's nothing fun or good about it. If you could level faster by playing, that's what everyone would do. It's a great flaw in this prof's design that you are encouraged to afk because it is actually a more efficient way to level. As soon as they fix that, no one will ever have a reason to afk level again.


Never the less, this is what we have now. *shrug* It is faster to level Dancer afk and it always has been. By not doing it in a private structure though, you are disturbing other's gameplay as much as jerks who show up at RP events for the sole purpose of ruining them with OOC and corpse campers.


I think they should all three be bannable offenses. The right for you to "do it your way" should end as soon as it starts trampling on other's gameplay. Most games know this. This game was supposed to. The Devs just need to change howDancer is bestleveled. Who the heck ever thought this was a good idea that knows anything at all about fun game design?




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emubitter
Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:45 am
#21

How does being afk disturb other peoples gameplay? others dont usually tip afk'ers and thats fine, i agree with that.I just dontseehow mebeing there (my macro is all about flourishes,no spam) can bug other performers though.I dance in one of the booths and cant really be seen but i still stay with my group.You may not agree with levelling that way and to be honest, i think its a bit lazy myself but it is as it is and i'm gonna use it.Although all you will be happy to note that i'm still not getting xp by being afk. guess i'll have to do it the old fashioned way.I'm mostly just annoyed at this bug affecting my character, thats all.



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Ramona_Garcia
Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:55 am
#22

A few reasons why afkers annoy us:


- They take up space, often drifting all over the place, "bumping" into tables people are roleplaying at.


- They generally give people the impression that we are all afk.


- They make bots possible.


Now you can minimize the impact, as you mentioned, but usually the afkers have some annoying tip me/invite me macro, and spam flourishes that move them through the whole cantina, or even spam light effects that lag out people.





Ramona Garcia
Dancer
Neutron Pixies



A couple of stories
Anoewyn
Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:49 am
#23






emubitter wrote:
How does being afk disturb other peoples gameplay? others dont usually tip afk'ers and thats fine, i agree with that.I just dontseehow mebeing there (my macro is all about flourishes,no spam) can bug other performers though.I dance in one of the booths and cant really be seen but i still stay with my group.You may not agree with levelling that way and to be honest, i think its a bit lazy myself but it is as it is and i'm gonna use it.Although all you will be happy to note that i'm still not getting xp by being afk. guess i'll have to do it the old fashioned way.I'm mostly just annoyed at this bug affecting my character, thats all.






As far as I'm concerned, no one should notbe able to contribute nor benefit from their gaming environment whilst being AFK. Why? Well, its simple enough - being afk means you are not there, you are not actively interacting or participating with the gaming system, therefore you shouldn't be able to provide services or receive experience. Very very simple - if only it actually worked that way.


Now, as for not being able to get xp whilst afk.....



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Coreena
Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:06 am
#24


emubitter wrote:
i dont use this game as a chat room although i do communicate with others, i just want to play it.And like old blue eyes said " I did it myyyyyyyy wayyyyyyyy"



I have to ask you then: Why did you choose to become a dancer if you're clearly not interested in interaction?
You know what the term "Social Profession" means?





Coreena Telios
Master Dancer
Starsider Galaxy
Lilithiel
Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:01 am
#25






emubitter wrote:
How does being afk disturb other peoples gameplay? others dont usually tip afk'ers and thats fine, i agree with that.





There's a whole thread devoted to this issue somewhere, and others here have already summed up the major issues, but . . .


It cheapens the profession when you AFK in public: Sure, players don't have to tip AFK entertainers, but for those just there to get a quick inspiration buff, they're certainly not going to offer credits to anyone when there's a cow from which they can get the milk for free with only a few more seconds of waiting.


It also encourages other new players to play AFK in public which increases the problems and discourtesies mentioned above.


Do you think it's a good idea or "fair" to have people AFK macroing their way to a elite combat profession mastery or parking themselves on a loot spot to AFK loot? I don't think anyone running a character unattended in a public area while they're asleep, out of the house, or just too bored with the profession to actually play the game, should ever be able to provide or obtain the same benefits as a character played by a person at the keyboard, regardless of profession.


Choosing a social profession when you don't want to be social (or playing an entertainer when you don't want to entertain) is about like playing special forces and complaining that people are shooting at you, or playing a crafter and not enjoying making or selling things. I'm confused; are you sure you want to be a dancer? This isn't a /respec thing is it?

Goldy_Lhim
Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:06 am
#26

I didn't read this thread...


*hands out cheese and runs*





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