Dancer Archive
Thread: Lap Dances
Who the hell said anything about 'Other Services'.
FlawedDiamond did.
I have no idea what he/she was talking about either, but I assume it was cybering.
Again I'll repeat my advice.
Ask Politely and Clearly. And be willing to Graciously accept NO for an answer.
You say it's "pathetic", I say you're a narrow-minded moron. Are you going to criticize people who like erotic fiction because they're just words too? Honestly, some people just don't get it. Flawed does, and chooses not to (At least with clientele).
We're not talking about Role-Playing here. What Flawed is suggesting (and has completely neglected to even hint at a description of) is a blurring of the lines between reality and the game. Actually getting an erotic charge from watching your "toon" or another's is incomprehensible to me, as would be someone who felt actual remorse for killing another player or animal. Or, conversely, someone who got a charge out of slaughtering animals, and went and acted out a similar fantasy in real life. It's indicitive of mental illness.
But again, I'd like to know what the "other services" were? I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume they "talk dirty" in a chat channel. My question is, what do you need SWG to do that for? There are dozens of better ways to conduct that sort of behaviour. Why not just exchange MSN messenger numbers and move on? Or are emotes absolutely integral to the process?
Bulbous2 wrote:We're not talking about Role-Playing here. What Flawed is suggesting (and has completely neglected to even hint at a description of) is a blurring of the lines between reality and the game. Actually getting an erotic charge from watching your "toon" or another's is incomprehensible to me, as would be someone who felt actual remorse for killing another player or animal. Or, conversely, someone who got a charge out of slaughtering animals, and went and acted out a similar fantasy in real life. It's indicitive of mental illness.
But again, I'd like to know what the "other services" were? I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume they "talk dirty" in a chat channel. My question is, what do you need SWG to do that for? There are dozens of better ways to conduct that sort of behaviour. Why not just exchange MSN messenger numbers and move on? Or are emotes absolutely integral to the process?
Guy, this is a GAME. An artificial reality. A place to Roleplay. To create a character and live its life for it. To live a very Different life. A place to escape from that other world. A place to explore What Ifs. A place to try out ideas. A place to explore fantasies. A place to do things you Can't do in the other world, Safely, with no consequences.
Why would you be surprised, as you seem to be, that people choose to explore MANY different aspects of life in a safe environment?
If people want to engage in verbals Sexual activities in a place with no diseases, no physical dangers, no pregnancies, no AIDS, no stalkers, etc, etc, etc WHY do you become so upset? I really don't understand YOUR objections to someone ELSE'S activities.
If you have no interest in it then by all means Don't. Some people do. Or are we all to govern OUR behavior by what YOU find acceptable?
Of if you find such activities so unpleasant why do you even deal with them in here? Merely to voice your objection and disdain? Fine. You attitude is noted.
As for me. In that.. Other world I am Happily Married. In THIS world I have 2 boyfriends, 1 or 2 casual girlfriends and an active dating life. They remain in THIS world where they belong. I'm not sorry you object. I seek neither your approval nor your sanction. You live YOUR life here and I'll lead mine.
Oh, for goodness sake. Yes, it is a game, but it is a game that includes a wide range of emotes, and a goodly number of people who are here to roleplay and for the very social aspects of interacting with hundreds of other people.
How different is providing 'erotic services' from people who choose to have relationships or get married in game, even if they are married or involved OOC?
ANY RPG has social aspects to the roleplay within and outside the bounds of the content that is provided. "Dirty talk" as you would call it does not have to be dirty, for one thing, and can be enjoyable for the people involved.
"Extra services" do not have to include this sort of thing either - it can be as simple as doing a particular dance, wearing particular outfits, or even 'stripping' for a customer, or acting in a certain manner in a private discussion, without ever crossing lines between erotic and pornographic, which is what I assume you mean by 'dirty talk'.
It's not something I do, but that does not mean it's not valid. To provide perspective, I have been seriously *asked* for a lapdance once. Of course the customer was offering less than I get in lower tips from some of my other clientele, and most assuredly wouldn't have even gotten a private dance of any kind for 100c, so it was a moot point. As one of the first dancers in Keren to get to exotic dance, MANY customers have commented on "private dances" or "VIP rooms" being more viable due to the erotic nature of some of the moves.
If you choose not to participate in this sort of thing, then that is your perrogative, but to sit in judgement of those who do is narrowminded and ignorant.
Sheesh, people are touchy! Look folks, we can question your assumptions and ask about your motivations, even judge you , if you feel that's what's happening, and still be doing it in a reasonable way. Don't assume that someone is on the attack just because they don't come across all agreeable to you.
Dood - I didn't use the words sicko, or harassment. You did. If you don't like the questions I asked then make your replies to those questions instead of implying things that weren't stated. Now, maybe you think that someone masturbating to a virtual lap-dance is sick. In that case, you're projecting YOUR opinion. I never stated that it was MY opinion. I just said that I saw it as a pointless sort of behaviour that didn't really belong in a video game.
Bulbous stated exactly what I think about this sort of thing - When you're engaging in activities that result in changes to your personal state of arousal then you've crossed the line from role-playing to cybering. Now, call me a cynic, if you like. I simply don't believe, however mature Dood's roleplaying is, that the average person asking for a lap-dance is concerned with RP'ing a customer at a seedy bar in the red light district. Most such people are more interested in the illicit thrill of the forbidden and in the arousal they get from being "catered to".
Flawed - Nobody that I've seen has objected and said "You shouldn't do that." You're over-reacting now. I don't think any of us here really cares how your toon conducts her life. I respect pretty much everything you've written in the past, so I'd just suggest that maybe you go back and re-read the thread and imagine that every person speaking is NOT being emotional. It might change the way you hear it.
Like I said, I'm a cynic. Two cardinal truths I know - People in games are seldom what they appear to be, and there are always people who will use the game as a way to pursue social activities, particularly sexual fantasies, that they wouldn't dare pursue in real life. My 12-year-old daughter had played Everquest for almost an hour when some guy offered her 10K plat to cyber with him. Fortunately, she'd seen me play for a long time and I'd prepared her for such things, so polite "No thanks" and a /ignore solved the problem. Now, EQ has no mechanism at all for promoting such things other than chat. Given the extended range of such interaction in SWG, how much more of it are we likely to see?
The point is, that "lap dancing" IS a sexual activity. Some folks may find enjoyment in roleplaying sex while keeping it detached from their personal lives. I'd submit, though, that the vast majority of the SWG populace are not such people. Now, Flawed says that it's safe to do these things in a game so why not? I have no problem with that. I just want to know how you handle the fact that for the other party it's probably NOT being limited to just an in-game experience? Whether it's the "duh-huh, duh-huh, she's giving me a lap dance duh-huh" or it's the one-handed typing, that person is becoming aroused in real life. Does the ambiguity of "roleplay" make a difference? If you were 100% certain that your patron was being aroused by your performance, would it change what you're willing to do? If yes, then why do it at all?
As for roleplaying sex, I'll submit my opinion that yes,it is a pointless activity. If it's fun for you then more power to you. I'll tell you this, though. If you were REALLY role-playing, you wouldnt' be doing anything in /tells. The whole point of RP, after all, is to interact with the world. If I was going to roleplay the sort of "mature" stuff that Dood56 is speaking of, I'd be up-front and act out the role in front of everyone. I might send a /tell to the dancer in advance saying "I'm doing a bit of roleplaying and I'm about to ask you for a lap dance. If that would bother you, let me know and I won't do it." I wouldn't send a /tell asking "Hey, can I get a lap dance?" The first says that I'm just playing around and maybe trying to make a bit of a scene for the benefit of the people around me. The second says that I want a sexual experience.
Thanks Slick
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I might send a /tell to the dancer in advance saying "I'm doing a bit of roleplaying and I'm about to ask you for a lap dance. If that would bother you, let me know and I won't do it." I wouldn't send a /tell asking "Hey, can I get a lap dance?"
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After pages and pages of bible thumping opinions you finally answer my SIMPLE question.
Dood54, just remember that if the answer is 'no' then leave it at that. (I'm sure you would anyway) I don't take any offense at being *asked* to do a private dance, but repeatedly getting /tells of 'boy I sure could use a private dance right about now' after I've already told the person that I don't do private dances really starts to make me wonder if they're after something other than watching a computer game character move around in a room away from other characters.
I have to say that the best way to ask would be as the poster who actually answered your question suggested. I'd still say no, but at least I wouldn't get that 'is this person going to be typing one-handed' feeling from the whole thing lol
Dood54 wrote:
Thanks Slick
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I might send a /tell to the dancer in advance saying "I'm doing a bit of roleplaying and I'm about to ask you for a lap dance. If that would bother you, let me know and I won't do it." I wouldn't send a /tell asking "Hey, can I get a lap dance?"
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After pages and pages of bible thumping opinions you finally answer my SIMPLE question.
Common sense would have answered your question as well 
Dood54 wrote:
Thanks Slick
After pages and pages of bible thumping opinions you finally answer my SIMPLE question.
Okay, I can't begin to express just how angry this made me.
Since that was undoubtedly your goal, congratulations. You win.
For the record, I don't thump the bible because I don't own one and I'm not Christian. I never once made a moral judgement about you or anyone else in this thred ,but you obviously feel that this stuff DOES somehow relate to morality or you wouldn't keep phrasing things the way you do. Given that, I'm fairly puzzled why you even started the topic but there's no accounting for other people's actions.
Have fun with your RP.