Dancer Archive
Thread: The conundrum...
Geddyfan
Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:21 am
#14
/hug
<wicked thought> You could make a video that showcases the problems the entertainer professions have to endure. The last one showed the state of an NPC cantina pretty clearly....
I hope you don't hit the cancel button, I've already been in the game without you around and don't care to go through that again. <selfish, selfish I am>
DarkY0da
Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:35 am
#15
Your not the only one that feels like that. I am Master Ent, Musician and Dancer with some merchant... the last 4 months MOST of my game time has beenharvesting. And slowly I've been playing less and less... the last 3 weeks I have logged in twice for about 3 hours total. The last 6 months I've managed to get in 3-4 impromptu jam/dance when happen to get a tell from a friend or come across an atk entertainer at random places. Any time in the last 6 months when I've sat for a bit and tried to sell buffs either no one comes through as it's some odd out of the way place. Or there is 2+ bots there and 90+% of the people coming in for buffs go to the bots. A song and a dance ISN'T enough new content for 15 months. The only reason that I have not hit the cancel button is I want info on the macro change(the lack of info I believe gives me the answer) and friends... but at $15 a month.... it's really rather pointless for me to be a Master of the 3 entertainer profs... It's pointless for me to work out dances and songs... cause no one really watches or listens any more... but I can't stand to drop them and pick up something else to try out the rest of the game... but ... /shrug
/hug
Sunjammer
Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:05 am
#16
Something I meant to include in that rambling diatribe, but forgot, is how awesomely entertainers look out for each other. Tonight, in spite of the fun I was having with Formal (or maybe because of it), I made it to Novice Dancer.
But on my way to the trainer, my speeder bike exploded, and repairing it sucked up just about the last of my money. :0 Imagine my chagrin when I finally find the guildhall, and the training fee is 5000 credits. The NPC trainer was even snide about it.
"Too rich for you?" B$7@h. 
I had been chatting all the night on the Ent channel, so while halfway into my first destroy mission since the demo weeks, while shooting up some "plasma thieves," I make a remark about the state of the entertainer professions and me having to kill stuff to raise money for dance training. Immediately I get about three tells offering to help pay for the training, and before I can answer any of them, someone else just tips me 15k.
You want to know how many people I had on my /friends list on CoH? NONE! In three months I didn't find one person who'd give me the time of day, let alone help me out. As a healer, I used to run through the game randomly healing other players when I saw one with low health, and I can count on one hand the number of times I got so much as a "thank you".
However buggy the SWG entertainer's gameplay is, the people playing it are a community, and they act like it, and they're awesome. At the cross-server Chilastra event last weekend, people were sharing travel money left and right, or making clothes for whoever asked.
It's now way past my bedtime, and I'm barely awake, so this probably isn't any more cogent than the last post. But I wanted to say it, if for reasons I don't now recall.
J.
Umiio "Umi" Panwanga • Rodian party girl • Bria
Iba'onchab • Gets boarded sometimes • Chimaera
SIGHERE
But on my way to the trainer, my speeder bike exploded, and repairing it sucked up just about the last of my money. :0 Imagine my chagrin when I finally find the guildhall, and the training fee is 5000 credits. The NPC trainer was even snide about it.
I had been chatting all the night on the Ent channel, so while halfway into my first destroy mission since the demo weeks, while shooting up some "plasma thieves," I make a remark about the state of the entertainer professions and me having to kill stuff to raise money for dance training. Immediately I get about three tells offering to help pay for the training, and before I can answer any of them, someone else just tips me 15k.
You want to know how many people I had on my /friends list on CoH? NONE! In three months I didn't find one person who'd give me the time of day, let alone help me out. As a healer, I used to run through the game randomly healing other players when I saw one with low health, and I can count on one hand the number of times I got so much as a "thank you".
However buggy the SWG entertainer's gameplay is, the people playing it are a community, and they act like it, and they're awesome. At the cross-server Chilastra event last weekend, people were sharing travel money left and right, or making clothes for whoever asked.
It's now way past my bedtime, and I'm barely awake, so this probably isn't any more cogent than the last post. But I wanted to say it, if for reasons I don't now recall.
J.
Umiio "Umi" Panwanga • Rodian party girl • Bria
Iba'onchab • Gets boarded sometimes • Chimaera
SIGHERE
kirah_ashlin
Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:37 am
#17
I don't have time this morning to address this, Javy - but you know I will and I didn't want you to think I didn't read this. I'll respond later.
/hold
/kiss
/comfort
Kreistor
Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:09 am
#18
/hug
/hug
/hug
You should know how I feel about this by now Javy. I've told quite a few people in the last little while that if it wasn't for the people I know online, I wouldn't be here right now. I honestly don't keep my account for the GAMEPLAY! It's the community that keeps me here. If I hadn't made that random trip from Lowca to Bria to check out the memorial, I would be gone now.
As for these boards, why do you think I avoided them for about a month. This place, at the time, was a constant reminder of the attention we were not getting. It seems to be better now thanks to the all purpose sticky complaint thread (except for one or two people that insist on creating yet another "Buffbots suck" thread
), so I've slowly been coming back.
So why am I still here?? You, and all the people I know (you know who you all are, there's just too many to list
). I would hope that we're enough to keep you here with us as well
/hug
/hug
You should know how I feel about this by now Javy. I've told quite a few people in the last little while that if it wasn't for the people I know online, I wouldn't be here right now. I honestly don't keep my account for the GAMEPLAY! It's the community that keeps me here. If I hadn't made that random trip from Lowca to Bria to check out the memorial, I would be gone now.
As for these boards, why do you think I avoided them for about a month. This place, at the time, was a constant reminder of the attention we were not getting. It seems to be better now thanks to the all purpose sticky complaint thread (except for one or two people that insist on creating yet another "Buffbots suck" thread
So why am I still here?? You, and all the people I know (you know who you all are, there's just too many to list
picklesSW
Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:26 am
#19
To clarify things just a bit...I am having fun in the game. I don't want to leave and most likely will not. That's why I'm feeling trapped. I know I should leave, to make a statement to the dev team with my money, but I won't. Because even if they haven't done a damn thing for us in the year I've been here, Koster's original vision and implementation still provides me with fun in the game that I cannot get elsewhere.
I'm not going anywhere...but I have cancelled my second account and will not be buying Jump to Lightspeed. It offers me pretty much nothing. I bought and want to play a role playing game, not a flight sim, thus JTL would seem to offer next to nothing to me for my $30.
Anyway, the point is, I hate the situation, I hate that I feel trapped, but at least I'm trapped with good people that seem to like me. Or at least they put up with me with all the flirting, obnoxious behavior and loud clothing. It's hard to find people willing to put up with that, you know.
Thanks for the hugs.
I'm not going anywhere...but I have cancelled my second account and will not be buying Jump to Lightspeed. It offers me pretty much nothing. I bought and want to play a role playing game, not a flight sim, thus JTL would seem to offer next to nothing to me for my $30.
Anyway, the point is, I hate the situation, I hate that I feel trapped, but at least I'm trapped with good people that seem to like me. Or at least they put up with me with all the flirting, obnoxious behavior and loud clothing. It's hard to find people willing to put up with that, you know.
Thanks for the hugs.
kirah_ashlin
Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:33 am
#20
I'm glad you clarified, Javy, because you know that if you left I would hunt you down and chain you to your pc until you played this silly game again! Once was enough, mister!!! 
Actually, I understand where you are coming from. You know that I've been MIA on Bria quite a bit lately. Well, I've been out and about, on other servers, trying to find the fun of the game again. Part of that is because of Roho, but I'llleave it tohim torespond to this if he wants to.
The only thing - let me repeat- the ONLY THING that keeps me here is the friendship with several wonderful peopleI've found through this game. A couple of them have helped me make it through some rough times - and that says a lot about people you meet online.
Keep the SWG faith with us, Javy. You add so much to this game - SOE should be paying you to play! 
Tralmek
Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:56 am
#21
I haven't (and couldn't) say it enough, but I love you all. The Entertainment community is an awesomeone and I'm proud to be a member of it.
kirah_ashlin wrote:
I'm glad you clarified, Javy, because you know that if you left I would hunt you down and chain you to your pc until you played this silly game again! Once was enough, mister!!!
/agree
Actually, I understand where you are coming from. You know that I've been MIA on Bria quite a bit lately. Well, I've been out and about, on other servers, trying to find the fun of the game again. Part of that is because of Roho, but I'llleave it tohim torespond to this if he wants to.
*runs off to find Roho*
*...Then realizes he hasn't finished with this yet*
The only thing - let me repeat- the ONLY THING that keeps me here is the friendship with several wonderful peopleI've found through this game. A couple of them have helped me make it through some rough times - and that says a lot about people you meet online.
hmm, doesn't look like they have a font large enough for me to stress this part as much as it should be. I got into the game because it was Star Wars. Now the only reason for me to play is because of my friends. The game isn't all that compelling, and the company's customercare is...inadequate.
Keep the SWG faith with us, Javy. You add so much to this game - SOE should be paying you to play!
They should be paying all the Entertainers to play after what we've gone through, but I'd say Javy deserves to draw a salary most of all for making it worthwhile for so many other Entertainers to stick around.
Esharra
Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:23 pm
#22
"When the Internet hit the headlines in the mid-1990's, there was much talk about how important "community" was. Community meant retention: if you had community, people would keep coming back. I attended numerous conferences where "community" was hailed as if it was an amazing new discover. Big name executives of game companies' newly-formed online divisions drummed in the idea that community was IMPORTANT. They didn't know anything else about it, but they new it was IMPORTANT."
Designing Virtual Worlds, Richard A. Bartle
(all emphasis on words or phrases are provided by Bartle)
Message Edited by Esharra on 10-06-2004 04:31 PM
Dreamland
Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:48 pm
#23
It comes down to addiction realy.in my own experienceI feel the same, i know i should quitbut i don't. For me it has alot to do with the fact it's star wars, that fact has made me give this game way more atention thanI would have otherwise.
Ravenmist
Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:01 am
#24
I know how you feel for sure Javy, I quit Correspondent then quit the game and stayed away for 3 months. (didn't you leave and come back around the same time as me? hehe) Anyway, I came back and I'm very glad I did. Our profession may not be in any better shape then when I left but the Community has gotten even closer if anything. Your Cantina Crawls are one of the only things I have to look forward to in this game as far as content goes. Please don't stop hosting those, lol. (I could almost cry cause I won't be able to make this weeks.
)
As far as the video goes.. maybe a disclaimer to let people know the reality of the game isnt a bad idea. heheh.
I love being a part of this community. It was this community that made it possible to keep my sanity while being Correspondent for 9 months and I suspect its whats letting Panthu keep hers.
Real entertainers will always stick together, maybe the lack of content has helped that in some ways because without each other we'd have nothing.. we as the combat professions seem perfectly content just killing stuff and running their theme parks.. hehe.
I'd hate to loose a good friend like you Javy, so don't let that finger slip and hit that cancel button anytime soon. 
I love all you wonderful entertainers.. the real ones that is. You know who you are.
You guys are what makes the game for me.
- Ravenmist
Reachwind
Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:15 am
#25
The community is NOT enough. This is a video game first and a chat room second. I am no longer content to pay for the right to be a part of this community. For my entertainment dollar I need some game as well. The game I beta tested, loved and played for a year straight has been brutally ruined by bad design and implementation and no progress towards making much neededchanges is currently being openly planned or tested.
DarkY0da
Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:25 am
#26
Reachwind wrote:
The community is NOT enough. This is a video game first and a chat room second. I am no longer content to pay for the right to be a part of this community. For my entertainment dollar I need some game as well. The game I beta tested, loved and played for a year straight has been brutally ruined by bad design and implementation and no progress towards making much neededchanges is currently being openly planned or tested.
Amen.