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Thread: Looking for a Buff Macro NON-AFK Dancer
Tiaga
Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:53 pm
#14
Psst... If you don't do exotic, you don't fall much at all. (I've had people tell me it's happened to them and I have no reason not to believe them, but it is very very very very rare.) There are 8 other dances to choose from, not counting the 2s. You can buff with any dance just as effectively.
Aleyo
Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:18 pm
#15
Vorpaks wrote:
When you say hand flourish do you mean type /flo 1 etc. or do you have the flourishes assigned to hotkeys or is there a different way?
From a previous description he's given, I'd say he's meaning having the flourishes hotkeyed.
I have a toolbar with 8 flos in to top line and 8 bandflos in the bottom line just below them.
Very handy
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Xyrdre
Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:19 pm
#16
I use hotkeys, personally. I've got them set up for all flourishes and bandflos on seperate toolbars, just to have everything covered.
I'm like Tiaga... I don't run macros for buffing, and never have bothered to. I haven't had any trouble hitting F keys 5 at a time while maintaining conversations, but I do type fairly quickly, so maybe that's just me.
Tiaga
Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:30 pm
#17
Yes, I have flourishes hotkeyd. Actually I have them made into macros which are then bound directly to certain key sequences. For example, Shift-ctrl-1 is flo 1, shift-ctrl-2 is flo 2 and so on. Similarly shift-ctrl-alt-1 is flo 1, shift-ctrl-alt-2 is flo 2. It frees up hotbutton space. But I only recommend that for someone who has a programmable keypad so they can make each of those still just one press.
Aynianu
Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:40 pm
#18
Tiaga wrote:
Psst... If you don't do exotic, you don't fall much at all. (I've had people tell me it's happened to them and I have no reason not to believe them, but it is very very very very rare.) There are 8 other dances to choose from, not counting the 2s. You can buff with any dance just as effectively.
I can only assume you dont 'intend' to sound patronising, but i actuallyknow how many dances ive hadafter playing fora year and a half.ive never tested it but ive allways assumed that exotic3/4 were the most effective dances for buffing. My favourite dance is actually poplock2 but it drifts too much that it anoys me even more than the falling with exotic3/4 so i tend to switch some between poplock2, exotic3 exotic4 and popular2, dont really enjoy any other dances unless with a group and we do bandflourishes.
Im also not surethere isless falls with poplock2 or popular2 than exotic3/4 to be honest, if there is less its not a huge amount less, others may be less but i dont use them enough to really notice.
Tiaga
Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:30 pm
#19
As a master, try doing popular and poplock for a few days. Look for falls. Seriously. You may once in a blue moon fall on poplock2, but almost never on popular2. Basically as master dancer, you fall often on exotic3/4 and lyrical 2, occasionally on exotic/2, rarely on lyrical, and almost never poplock2 and below. Add in master entertainer and it becomes occasionally on exotic3/4 and lyrical 2, rarely on exotic/2 and almost never lyrical and below.
Buffing-wise, dance doesn't make a different. Technically speaking it does, but in the end it is no difference. Which dance you do determines how quickly the buff gets to full strength (IE 100% at master). Doing the 3 minute buff, the difference is 1 second to get to 100% with exotic3/4, 11 seconds with basic. Note that only is talking about strength of the buff, NOT duration. Dance has no effect on duration.
Buffing-wise, dance doesn't make a different. Technically speaking it does, but in the end it is no difference. Which dance you do determines how quickly the buff gets to full strength (IE 100% at master). Doing the 3 minute buff, the difference is 1 second to get to 100% with exotic3/4, 11 seconds with basic. Note that only is talking about strength of the buff, NOT duration. Dance has no effect on duration.
Aynianu
Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:40 pm
#20
ive danced using poplock2 and popular2 quite often, it doesnt seem a huge difference in falls, (i could try and test this if its not been done already, im not saying there isnt a difference, just i never noticed it, and while ive used these dances a lot ive never specificly looked for a difference in falls before)
Interesting about buffing, i knew the duration was the same, i just thought the other dances took longer than just 11 seconds difference at most, il probably still buff with exotic3/4 anyway however since i use my exquisite leotard for buffing and it just seems to suit the exotic dances better
Tiaga
Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:58 pm
#21
I have done testing related to falling. That's what I came up with.
Best dances: Falls often (Exotic2/3, lyrical2)
Second best: Falls occasionally (Exotic/2)
Third best: Falls rarely (Lyrical)
Anything else: Almost never falls
That applies to any skill level. Just plug in the dances from your highest 3 skillboxes and those are the ones you are most likely to see a fall on. If you have master entertainer and at least novice dancer, you can take off the first one and just pick your highest 2 skills.
In my testing falling on the "Best" area was about 6%, or 1 out of 16 flourishes. Yes I know it feels like it's worse, I feel the same way. If you fall 3 times in a row, followed by 47 flourishes without falling, chances are you're going to remember those 3 falls in a row a lot better than those 47.
And when I was mentioning the time difference in buffing.. That is happening at the same time the duration is being increased. So even if basic took 3 minutes to reach 100%, it would still be just as effective as exotic3.
Best dances: Falls often (Exotic2/3, lyrical2)
Second best: Falls occasionally (Exotic/2)
Third best: Falls rarely (Lyrical)
Anything else: Almost never falls
That applies to any skill level. Just plug in the dances from your highest 3 skillboxes and those are the ones you are most likely to see a fall on. If you have master entertainer and at least novice dancer, you can take off the first one and just pick your highest 2 skills.
In my testing falling on the "Best" area was about 6%, or 1 out of 16 flourishes. Yes I know it feels like it's worse, I feel the same way. If you fall 3 times in a row, followed by 47 flourishes without falling, chances are you're going to remember those 3 falls in a row a lot better than those 47.
And when I was mentioning the time difference in buffing.. That is happening at the same time the duration is being increased. So even if basic took 3 minutes to reach 100%, it would still be just as effective as exotic3.
ScoutFett
Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:07 am
#22
I'm actually a doctor as well, so I *can* buff my quickness, which I normally do, I was just curious about those that don't have to, I've also maxed my stats for Action/Mind and sub stats. Which gives me about 1300 Action, 400 subs, and like 1000 Mind and about 350 or so subs for the mind... not a bad set up, shame I can't regin as well as the humans, while I'm a "humanoid" zabrak, oh well.
This is becoming a very helpful thread
This is becoming a very helpful thread
Xyrdre
Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:30 am
#23
Just a bit more about the stats: 1500 Quickness effectively reduces flo costs to zero. If you can get Quickness to 1500, the Action pool becomes irrelevant.
Because of that, I used to know a lot of docs that would keep 'junky' (800-1200 or so)Quickness buffs on hand just for buffing entertainers. Since you're also a doc, you might consider making up some lower-end Quickness buffs to do the trick. No high-end resources required... makes it quitea bit easier to put together.
That'll also become your guide for whether to drink two Accarragm shots or just one, if using drink buffs. I personally drink one shot of good BE Accarragm- at max Twi'lek secondaries (750 Q, 400 S)it drops Action costs low enough that the drink-buffed Stamina has no trouble keeping up with regen.
Tiaga
Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:56 am
#25
Buffing by hand really isn't that hard. Hardly button mashing. It's about equivelent to typing 5-6wpm. However it is not something I expect everyone would want to do when there is an alternative.
For those who want to give it a try, here's a few tips:
Practice hand flourishing even when not buffing. It may be a pain at first, but given practice, it becomes something easy to do without having to think about it.
You can do 5 flourishes between every time it tells you that you get dancing experience. If you are capped in experience you might consider doing the theater quests, visiting the village or dropping and retraining a dancer box to get you below that point. If you are capped, there is no indication when the next set of flourishes can come.
I use a set it and forget it timer macro so I don't have to try and figure out who a timer is set for, or take time to tell them the buff is done. The macro takes care of sending the right person a /tell. Very handy when doing a number of people.
That's the basics to buffing by hand. Some more advanced tips:
When you just start buffing someone, you will see a small trickle of healing xp as long as you don't flourish. This could be anywhere from 2 to 7 per person being buffed, depending on the dance you are performing. It goes away after a few flourishes. This can be useful to make sure they really are watching you and the buff will work, before you spend 3 minutes with them watching someone else.
If you like to keep a performance going, one thing I will do is if I know the flourish I'm doing is coming to an end, I'll only do 4 flourishes instead of 5, and use the 5th to actually flourish.
With a bit of practice and understanding what is going on, buffing by hand can be much more reliable than by macro.
For those who want to give it a try, here's a few tips:
Practice hand flourishing even when not buffing. It may be a pain at first, but given practice, it becomes something easy to do without having to think about it.
You can do 5 flourishes between every time it tells you that you get dancing experience. If you are capped in experience you might consider doing the theater quests, visiting the village or dropping and retraining a dancer box to get you below that point. If you are capped, there is no indication when the next set of flourishes can come.
I use a set it and forget it timer macro so I don't have to try and figure out who a timer is set for, or take time to tell them the buff is done. The macro takes care of sending the right person a /tell. Very handy when doing a number of people.
That's the basics to buffing by hand. Some more advanced tips:
When you just start buffing someone, you will see a small trickle of healing xp as long as you don't flourish. This could be anywhere from 2 to 7 per person being buffed, depending on the dance you are performing. It goes away after a few flourishes. This can be useful to make sure they really are watching you and the buff will work, before you spend 3 minutes with them watching someone else.
If you like to keep a performance going, one thing I will do is if I know the flourish I'm doing is coming to an end, I'll only do 4 flourishes instead of 5, and use the 5th to actually flourish.
With a bit of practice and understanding what is going on, buffing by hand can be much more reliable than by macro.
Ka_ren
Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:07 am
#26
Tiaga wrote:
As a master, try doing popular and poplock for a few days. Look for falls. Seriously. You may once in a blue moon fall on poplock2, but almost never on popular2. Basically as master dancer, you fall often on exotic3/4 and lyrical 2, occasionally on exotic/2, rarely on lyrical, and almost never poplock2 and below. Add in master entertainer and it becomes occasionally on exotic3/4 and lyrical 2, rarely on exotic/2 and almost never lyrical and below.
Buffing-wise, dance doesn't make a different. Technically speaking it does, but in the end it is no difference. Which dance you do determines how quickly the buff gets to full strength (IE 100% at master). Doing the 3 minute buff, the difference is 1 second to get to 100% with exotic3/4, 11 seconds with basic. Note that only is talking about strength of the buff, NOT duration. Dance has no effect on duration.
That's great except I don't like the look of most dances. My favorites are lyrical and te exotics. The only other one is Popular 2. So I guess my choices are limited. Good thing I really like Popular 2, it really does seem to fit a few songs.