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Thread: An end to the plague but-

Amida_Enterprises
Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:25 am
#131

First off, allow me to apologize for a discrepancy that slipped into one of my posts, it was not food after all but caused by Pixie which indeed is a spice.. when I asked him about it when it happened he said it was from food, he thought himself it was.. so indeed foodbuffs have no negative effect. sorry, mea culpa.


This doesn't take away from the topic I intended this thread to be used for though

There are a ton of topics out there allready where buffbots and their customers can whine about losing 'their rights' and so on.


This was meant as a reminder that with change comes a responsibility. wether or not the changes are perfect is also a debate that can be held in another topic, but when these changes are implemented we will have to stop being so uptight.


Ironically my friend was yesterday again in search of buffs and guess what, he couldn't find them even after sending friendly tells asking if the possibility existed to get a buff. some people who where buffing others didn't even take the time to reply while others replyd 'sorry, only buffing friends' or 'no I won't, you can go to Briha'


that's missing out on a generous tip ànd destroying whatever faith exists in us, atk entertainers.. I can understand where the distrust is coming from but do you think this is helping ? All it helps is the mentality that buffbots are the only viable option left.. and I for one refuse to add up to this mentality!


When a master Dancer is dancing inside a cantina and someone does ask nicely I DO believe it is our duty to help, the people who don't are directly and indirectly aiding the commotion against every entertainer.


The person that posted here somewhere that entertainers would now ask 30k for buffs: grow up.. this won't happen, if it happens and if it is succesfull and thus spreads the responsibility wouldlie withthe people who actually pay that amount.

I for one never ask money, I enjoy dancing anyway so ifI can help people while doing so, so much the better!



- Leasa Ace - Farstar - deceased

(don't know why I can still post either )
Darth_Llama
Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:58 am
#132






StikerRunningfly wrote:

if 2 regulars are sitting in front of me, and one always gives me 20k and the other always gives me 2k, guess who gets the buff first?





Why not buff them both at the same time?



yay!
Sigrun
Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:59 am
#133






StikerRunningfly wrote:





HalasterTheBlack wrote:

I said it's not *just* about the Battle Fatigue.


And it's a pretty darn accurate comparison. Ask any combatant you know to read it. They'll tell you.


The main difference?


You're not going to charge someone 20k to clear their BF, but I've seen posts from some entertainers overjoyed at how they can now charge 30k for buffs...






First of all, I have 1 entertainer character, 1 crafterand6 combat characters. I've mastered BH, pistoleer, CH, carbineer, TK, pikeman, fencer, and commando. Speaking from experience, your analogy is absolutely horrible and makes absolutely no sense as far as the topic is concerned. Besides, if 1 person is charging 30k for buffs, you can bet there's going to be someone right next to them charging 10k. Personally, I don't give a set price, I just ask them to tip whatever they feel it's worth to them. More often than not, I get 20k-30k. Sure I get a few who tip 1k-2k, but if 2 regulars are sitting in front of me, and one always gives me 20k and the other always gives me 2k, guess who gets the buff first?





Maybe if you stop fixating on the 20k and pay attention to having to sit around doing NOTHING because you can't find someone to help you play the game again, you'll "get" it...


/sigh




Ingame Names: Sif @ Bria, Chilastra, Flurry, Naritus, Starsider | Hiordis @ Kettemoor | Freya @ Tempest
Quotable: It's pretty freaking underwhelming when the story turns out to be you, alone, in a field, for two weeks, punching toads. | At least SOE lasted a year before they went Turbine on us.
Panthu
Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:30 am
#134






HalasterTheBlack wrote:


And then *bam* you stop dancing. You try to start up again, but you just jigglea couple times and stop again.


The Holocron pops up and says your Entertainer Quotient has been exceeded and you can no longer entertain until you've managed to kill a Nightsister. Grouping to kill the Nightsister is just fine, too.



Actually, we talked about something like this. Making a "Universal Fatigue" instead of a "Battle Fatigue" that would just be on combat players. UF would instead create fatigue for any activity: crafting, dancing, fighting, whatever.


It makes a lot of sense, you get tired no matter what you are doing irl, and it would take the burden off of combat players and just make it a game world activity.


Also, there is an ID Proposal for "Charisma Buffs" that would basically be BF Buffs. So, they'd give you like negative BF so you would just feel so darn great about yourself that it would take a while to break your spirit even if you are getting whaled on.


Maybe you should just re-examine why we have BF in the game and how well it's working for everyone instead of saying we need to be an "always on" kind of NPC service. There is nothing really wrong with always on NPC kind of services, but they aren't usually something that would also be fun to play as a PC game role.


... also, the HAM changes might greatly affect BF anyway so we'd all be better off re-examing its role.






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Sigrun
Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:22 am
#135






Panthu wrote:





HalasterTheBlack wrote:


And then *bam* you stop dancing. You try to start up again, but you just jigglea couple times and stop again.


The Holocron pops up and says your Entertainer Quotient has been exceeded and you can no longer entertain until you've managed to kill a Nightsister. Grouping to kill the Nightsister is just fine, too.



Actually, we talked about something like this. Making a "Universal Fatigue" instead of a "Battle Fatigue" that would just be on combat players. UF would instead create fatigue for any activity: crafting, dancing, fighting, whatever.


It makes a lot of sense, you get tired no matter what you are doing irl, and it would take the burden off of combat players and just make it a game world activity.


Also, there is an ID Proposal for "Charisma Buffs" that would basically be BF Buffs. So, they'd give you like negative BF so you would just feel so darn great about yourself that it would take a while to break your spirit even if you are getting whaled on.


Maybe you should just re-examine why we have BF in the game and how well it's working for everyone instead of saying we need to be an "always on" kind of NPC service. There is nothing really wrong with always on NPC kind of services, but they aren't usually something that would also be fun to play as a PC game role.


... also, the HAM changes might greatly affect BF anyway so we'd all be better off re-examing its role.








Overall, you entertainer types come up with some very kick ass ideas. I am disappointed that the devs choose to ignore all the best ones...


/sigh




Ingame Names: Sif @ Bria, Chilastra, Flurry, Naritus, Starsider | Hiordis @ Kettemoor | Freya @ Tempest
Quotable: It's pretty freaking underwhelming when the story turns out to be you, alone, in a field, for two weeks, punching toads. | At least SOE lasted a year before they went Turbine on us.
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