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Thread: Dancer request from a non-entertainer
I apologize if this has already been discussed somewhere.
I am not an entertainter of any kinds, but please consider putting on your list of updates a request for a /tipband command.
In other words, as a person listening to the band (and watching the band's dancers) I could select any member and type /tipband 2000. Then each member of the band would get a message such as "JohnDoe has tipped the band 2000 credits. You receive 500 credits".
I'm afraid that, in its current state, I have (when in a hurry) only tipped one or two members of a band. In other situations, I have tipped the band leader with a request to distribute the funds and have later learned that he or she did not (or kept a much larger percentage for himself).
Just something to consider.
cc Entertainer & Musician forums
While a /tipband option sounds good in theory, there are a couple of problems with it.
Sometimes there are non-performers in the group. They may be getting training from an entertainer. You also may have people in the group who have been sitting for a long time to take care of personal business. Also, many wouldn't want the tip money going to the AFK M'ers,
LoraJ wrote:
many wouldn't want the tip money going to the AFK M'ers,
That's easy to fix. Kick the LAMErs (Long-term Afk Macro Entertainers) out of the band.
Personally I think /tipband is a great idea and I would be happy to see it implemented. Its benefits far outweigh the costs.
C
Chessack wrote:
LoraJ wrote:
many wouldn't want the tip money going to the AFK M'ers,
That's easy to fix. Kick the LAMErs (Long-term Afk Macro Entertainers) out of the band.
Personally I think /tipband is a great idea and I would be happy to see it implemented. Its benefits far outweigh the costs.
C
If and when that happens honey a LOT of us are going to quit dancing completely. Some of us work HARD at entertaining people. We spend a LOT of time and effort getting to know people and trying to meet THEIR needs and be someone Useful and Desireable to them. And if we are GOOD at it, we reap the rewards.
Contrast THAT with the teenage guys who create a female dancer, run into a cantina, take off their clothes and start doing basic dance. Why should I work my tail off for hours on end, have someone give me a large tip and know that she/he is getting an equal share of what I worked for????
If thats the way its going to work then I will QUIT making any effort and just stand there dancing, mute, hitting a key every now and then to keep from going AFK. Meanwhile on my OTHER account I'll create my real char and play. My dancer will become nothing more than a Mule who reaps money for NO effort except a keystroke every now and then. And most OTHER dancers will become the same thing.
If THATS the kind of dancers you want to see in every cantina in the galaxy then by ALL means institute band tips. Be careful what you wish for. You might GET it.
Why do you even group with underwear dancers? If I see them I walk out of the cantina and go elsewhere (another cantina, or off to work on rifle or surveying skills, which are my character's side hobbies). You (and others) act like someone is forcing you to group with these juveniles. Nobody can force you to be in a group. Just un-group from them. I routinely /disband from groups that come to contain such people, and frequently just walk out of the cantina to get away from them. Does it annoy me that I am the one who has to move? Yeah... but... I am not going to let them ruin my gaming experience, and it's easier to just go have fun someplace where they aren't.
Also, there's no reason why they can't have some sort of an on-off switch for it. The leader types /bandtip on, and every band member gets a pop-up window, "Do you wish to participate in group tips?" Everyone has to unanimously agree or it gets cancelled. Easy enough to implement.
And what does /bandtip have to do with this anyway? It's not like /tip is going to change. If someone /tips FD 1,000 creds, Underwear Girl isn't going to get any of that. She only gets some when the player /bandtips. It's not clear to me how Underwear Girl's behavior is going to be in any way rewarded by /bandtip itself. She can still be /tipped for being a stripper.
Bottom line: if you're silly enough to group with LAMErs and Underwear Dancers because it improves XP or something, then you deserve what you get. Don't group with them and it's a non-issue.
Oh yeah, and don't call me "honey." :-)
C
Heh. LAMErs. I like that. We always called 'em macrotainers. And yeah, just kick them. It's not like they'll notice. 
Kae
Why is that everyone seems to have this idea that Dancers or anyone else DESERVE to get paid??????
The whole concept of free enterprise is that one Works and one's Reward for working is commensurate with the Value of one's work. i.e. Those who work Harder and provide More Value get a larger reward for their work.
The whole concept of /bandtip revolves around the idea that EVERY Entertainer in a Cantina is providing Exactly the same level of service, Exactly the same amount of "Entertainment" as every other. It assumes that all entertainers are simply duplicate cogs in an entertainment machine that functions identically regardless of the people who make up that machine.
It that's true then I should be able to sit here, hit a dance macro key and read a book while taking in exactly as much in tips as I do now. If ALL people want or need is BF healing then just set up a BF healing vending machine and pay Xcr for each point of BF healed. If that's ALL people need then why do so many of my customers STAY in the cantina and visit with me LONG after their BF is healed and they can run off on another mission?
I can ASSURE you it doesn't work that way. I work HARD at making a living as a dancer. And I do very well as far as the dancing profession goes. I realize that 10k-20k a day is peanuts compared to some profession which bring in 10 times that amount. But for a dancer its Damned good and I'm PROUD of my success.
I EARNED my success though hard work.
And those who Don't do as well? All I can say to them is "Get off your butt. Dump the stupid talk macros and WORK!" And if you can't HACK it as a dancer that's YOUR problem. Its NOT a problem with the profession. Go take up surveying.
If we go to some system that basically Taxes people for dancer's services and then distributes that tax out equally to dances then WHY would I bother to make ANY effort at all??????? I can simply go Macro and read a good book while generating a guaranteed
income. In effect I become a totally impersonal BF Healing Vending Machine.
If we DO go to some system that basically rewards everyone equally regardless of the work they do or the value they offer then I'll quit dancing completely and go take up another profession. That will completely KILL the entertainer profession as anything worth doing.
Yes, well here's my opinion. If you work for your money, get to know the people, make friends and all that, then it wont be a problem at all. Becuase if they're there only to see you, then it's still only you that will get the tip. But there are lots of people who appreciate the work that many will put into dancing and music. Those just starting and those who have been at it.
So if someone appreciates what all the entertainers are going through, and the medics keeping the entertainers going, then nothing is wrong with tipping the whole band.
Nuff said
I'm glad you're successful. I doubt anyone would feel otherwise. I'm sure noone would accuse you of not working hard.
However, statements like this...
"And those who Don't do as well? All I can say to them is "Get off your butt. Dump the stupid talk macros and WORK!" And if you can't HACK it as a dancer that's YOUR problem. Its NOT a problem with the profession. Go take up surveying."
...betray arrogance. No, it's simply not the same level of difficulty across the board for all the races, sexes and professions. My guess is that, in general, musicians make less than dancers, males make less than females, and females that lap dance and flirt make more than females that are more self-respecting. And I'm not sure that has anything to do with their macros, their personality or their ability to engage their patrons.
I would never begrudge your ability to rake in the cash. I'm happy for you, it's nice to see an entertainer succeeding. On the other hand, don't be so quick to judge a lack of success on the part of others as being that they suck at this profession, though I won't argue that some probably do.
- Javier
I didn't think this post was going to cause such an uproar, and I apologize for that.
To reiterate, I am not anentertainer of any magnitude. However, sometimes I get busy and, while I don't want this to happen, some entertainers get the shaft as a result. Here is how I would use /tipband.
If I run in and view/listen to a band in order to heal my BF and mindwounds, I would use /tipband to make sure that everyone in the band gets some money. When I listen to the band, I'm not picking out specific instruments within the music and only listening to them. When I watch the dancers, although I can only have one dancer officially being "watched", I am really watching them all.
If someone is doing particularly well (this pertains more to the dancers than the musicians), then yes I would /tip only them.
Like someone suggested before, if you don't think that someone is working at their craft, DON'T group with them. They will quickly learn that they won't be in any of the better bands if they just Macro it.
The alternative is that I view/listen to a band and pick one member to tip, or I tip the band leader asking him to distribute and hope that he does. Even if you are an amazing dancer, there may be several amazing dancers and you might not be the one that I randomly choose to tip.
I really think that this command would help everybody.
Although maybe with a /tipband command, the group leaders will be more inclined to give the LAMErs the boot. Which would be great because sadly my musician friends don't get as much in tips as dancers, and this would help them out.
There's no need for some of the argument
No one said a band tip would remove individual tips. People like Flawed will probably always get and keep getting tipped individually so it probably won't cut into any real entertainer's purse, but if someone has a lot of bf and mind wounds and walk into a cantina with a 20 person live band then a bandtip might simplify life for them and give them another "option" to spread the cred.
I have no issue with it, its all optional anyway.
Perhaps not dancing in a group is the solution you're looking for.