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Thread: policy change and spam in the cantina

Pthdora
Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:20 am
#1

I think it needs to be pointed out, a new tactic of dealing with buffbots and afkers.....


this is a paste from the policy change, that took effect the 18th


Area Disruption is defined as any activity, intentional or unintentional, which harms or inconveniences a larger number of players. Causing a disruption may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account that may include official warnings, account suspensions, or account terminations depending on the severity of the incident which will be determined by a CSR and a CSR Supervisor. Multiple suspensions or account termination will result in the termination of all SOE game accounts.


Disruption includes, but is not limited to, such things such as:



  • Deliberately blocking a doorway or narrow area so other players cannot get past.
    Making excessive and inappropriate use of spatial communications, i.e. spamming.
  • Placing any object (such as pets, droids, structures, city facilities) which prevent access to game content (anything in the game, including city structures, houses, caves, mission terminals, etc.) or trap other customers.
  • Using graphics intensive weaponry to duel in high traffic areas*
  • Organizing, holding, or participating in protests held in high traffic areas (such as busy Starports or other areas where many players normally gather).


99.9% of buffbots and afkers spam the same thing over and over...this is harrasment under the new policy, simply submit a ticket with their name, if enought people are submitting tickets, then the buffbots will be A. shut off, or B. action taken against their account.



This is a simple and effective way to reduce the sheer amount of spam in the cantinas, and make conversation actually possible




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NJ62
Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:22 am
#2

Hopefully the response from CS would not be "put so-and-so on your ignore list".



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Warryyr
Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:38 am
#3






NJ62 wrote:
Hopefully the response from CS would not be "put so-and-so on your ignore list".






I would think the reaction won't be that phrase, since Squad Leaders have been banned for "spamming" while fighting in highly populated areas. They've been teleported to 0,0 and frozen, and all sorts of stuff. Hence, spamming might get such a response, but rather disciplinary action taken against the spammer.


I do believe the rule of thumb is no spam at faster than a 30 second interval. If any spam repeats within 30 seconds, report it if you want to.


Warryyr
Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:41 am
#4






Pthdora wrote:

Area Disruption is defined as any activity, intentional or unintentional, which harms or inconveniences a larger number of players. Causing a disruption may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account that may include official warnings, account suspensions, or account terminations depending on the severity of the incident which will be determined by a CSR and a CSR Supervisor. Multiple suspensions or account termination will result in the termination of all SOE game accounts.


Disruption includes, but is not limited to, such things such as:



  • Deliberately blocking a doorway or narrow area so other players cannot get past. Can't people walk through other people and their pets? So, what's the big deal?
    Making excessive and inappropriate use of spatial communications, i.e. spamming.

  • Placing any object (such as pets, droids, structures, city facilities) which prevent access to game content (anything in the game, including city structures, houses, caves, mission terminals, etc.) or trap other customers.
  • Using graphics intensive weaponry to duel in high traffic areas*
  • Organizing, holding, or participating in protests held in high traffic areas (such as busy Starports or other areas where many players normally gather).






PoetDancer
Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:10 am
#5



I don't think that buffbots violate the provision in terms of spamming spatial communication. One could argue that it's necessary communication. But this alone does not mean that buffbots do not disrupt the area. Look at the definition:

Area Disruption is defined as any activity, intentional or unintentional, which harms or inconveniences a larger number of players.


Are cantina entertainers not a large number of players? Its three whole profession's worth. Can it be shown that buffbots disrupt the dynamics of the cantina? Does unattended activity not harm and inconvenience us? If it can be proven that it does, then buffbots are guilty of area disruption simply for being buffbots.


Message Edited by PoetDancer on 11-23-2004 12:11 PM



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Reachwind
Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:13 am
#6

Unfortunately AFK players don't file /reports. The three of us at the keys at any time in a cantina aren't the majority.
PoetDancer
Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:15 am
#7

This has nothing to do with majority opinion. I'm sure that many players believed in the act of protesting bannings for credit dupes, or protests on other topics of general import. They are still guilty of area disruption, even if the majority think they are doing the right thing.



Madame Sirii Ajaan
August 2003-September 15, 2005
"There is a difference between being /watched and being WATCHED."
Sunjammer
Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:27 am
#8


Warryyr wrote:
I would think the reaction won't be that phrase, since Squad Leaders have been banned for "spamming" while fighting in highly populated areas. They've been teleported to 0,0 and frozen, and all sorts of stuff. Hence, spamming might get such a response, but rather disciplinary action taken against the spammer.



This assumes that the CSRs are consistent in applying their rules across different professions. So, who are you and what have you done with the cynical, suspicious, worldly-wise Warryyr we know and love?


J.

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Ikewe
Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:54 am
#9


I've been thinkingvery similar thingssince they published the new policy changes. They clearly state that any activity that provides you with an "unfair advantage" is not permitted.... so how is it that being able to provide a service 23/7 isn't giving some people an unfair advantage? Sometimes these things just make mylekku twitch uncontrollably....


I suspect we won't see any robots banned for spamming or any other reason. If you can swing it, please take a screenshot... something like this one I came across on my home server of Shadowfire. the-Novva- robot is our resident buff vendor in the Dantooine Mining Outpost:


http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=setandget&tp=138899&poll_id=0&category_id=20&warned=y



I was actually in theOutpost when the Dark Jedi came in but I ran and jumped on the shuttle - hooray for being mobile Although if I'd known he was actually going to go into the cantina I might have stayed to watch!



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SheIsYa
Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:46 pm
#10






Ikewe wrote:


I suspect we won't see any robots banned for spamming or any other reason. If you can swing it, please take a screenshot... something like this one I came across on my home server of Shadowfire. the-Novva- robot is our resident buff vendor in the Dantooine Mining Outpost:


http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=setandget&tp=138899&poll_id=0&category_id=20&warned=y






Heya, Strong silent type over here...but had to comment on that....OMG WHERE WAS I...WHY WASN'T I ON THAT SERVER THAT DAY LOL ... ok Lekku have fallen back into place and distinguisted look and formality has been resumed.






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Isleh
Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:01 pm
#11







Warryyr wrote:





Pthdora wrote:

Area Disruption is defined as any activity, intentional or unintentional, which harms or inconveniences a larger number of players. Causing a disruption may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account that may include official warnings, account suspensions, or account terminations depending on the severity of the incident which will be determined by a CSR and a CSR Supervisor. Multiple suspensions or account termination will result in the termination of all SOE game accounts.


Disruption includes, but is not limited to, such things such as:



  • Deliberately blocking a doorway or narrow area so other players cannot get past. Can't people walk through other people and their pets? So, what's the big deal?
    Making excessive and inappropriate use of spatial communications, i.e. spamming.

  • Placing any object (such as pets, droids, structures, city facilities) which prevent access to game content (anything in the game, including city structures, houses, caves, mission terminals, etc.) or trap other customers.
  • Using graphics intensive weaponry to duel in high traffic areas*
  • Organizing, holding, or participating in protests held in high traffic areas (such as busy Starports or other areas where many players normally gather).










At one time, you couldn't walk through furniture in a house. It was possible to trap someone. In response, the command /eject was added and furniture became immaterial.


If you are in a house, /eject places you outside. If you are on a Guild Hall roof, and you are banned from that hall. You cannot pass through the hall to get out. However, /eject will remove you from the roof and place you outside of the hall.


Mayors can still place city structures such as lampposts to prevent entry into a house. So that's why it's still there.



I would like to see furniture become solid again since the /eject command is redundant or at least option to turn it on and off. It adds a little to 'realism' when RPing. However, there are bigger thing I want to see taken care of so if it happens, it happens.


for typos

Message Edited by Isleh on 11-23-2004 03:05 PM

Warryyr
Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:43 pm
#12






Sunjammer wrote:




Warryyr wrote:
I would think the reaction won't be that phrase, since Squad Leaders have been banned for "spamming" while fighting in highly populated areas. They've been teleported to 0,0 and frozen, and all sorts of stuff. Hence, spamming might get such a response, but rather disciplinary action taken against the spammer.





This assumes that the CSRs are consistent in applying their rules across different professions. So, who are you and what have you done with the cynical, suspicious, worldly-wise Warryyr we know and love?


J.

Umiio "Umi" Panwanga • Rodian party girl • Bria
Iba'onchab • Gets boarded sometimes • Chimaera







Sorry, I'm really not myself today. I think I'm coming down with something.


No, really - my throat kinda hurts


Isleh
Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:49 pm
#13






NJ62 wrote:
Hopefully the response from CS would not be "put so-and-so on your ignore list".






Well, a friend reported a buffbot for spamming. The canned response, in short, was:


We're sorry....
We will investigate....
Please consider /addignore...
We want to make the game better...


He'll let me know if anything comes of it.

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