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Yeah... What Ni'za said 
There are several professions... including Dancer that try to enforce a play style upon the people playing it. It really was most evident back in the days when Hologrinding first came out. As soon as it was generally understood what was going on, most professions came up with very valid and helpful HOWTOs to help people get through the profession as fast as possible.
This dancer forum was just the pit of hostility towards anyone that was mastering the dance profession for any reason other than the complete and absolute love of being a master dancer.
The remnants of this still exist in a several people's posts.
We're working on it! The holos were maybe more disruptive for us than others, we do have such a weird dependency on each other (helping/competing/playing off of and with)... it was just a really big shake up for us I think. Whether you're a heal focused, entertaining focused, or just really pure social focused Dancerand any combination of those, I think we can all learn to play nice together... we've just got to have this little period of adjustment after the holo fall out.
Yajedi wrote:
Yeah... What Ni'za said
There are several professions... including Dancer that try to enforce a play style upon the people playing it. It really was most evident back in the days when Hologrinding first came out. As soon as it was generally understood what was going on, most professions came up with very valid and helpful HOWTOs to help people get through the profession as fast as possible.
This dancer forum was just the pit of hostility towards anyone that was mastering the dance profession for any reason other than the complete and absolute love of being a master dancer.
The remnants of this still exist in a several people's posts.
This dancer forum was just the pit of hostility towards anyone that was mastering the dance profession for any reason other than the complete and absolute love of being a master dancer.
I don't think so. It has never been hostile to those that played for xp gain rather than fun. Some of us ( myself included ) have been very hostile to behaviour deemed an exploit in any other MMORPG. I think we are fine with any playstyle. Some of us hate unattended gameplay with passion, because we think it should be viewed as cheating in this game, too. If a human is playing, it's playstyle. If a script is running the character, it is not playstyle at all.
I don't consider myself to be pro or anti afk. I feel like I fall straight down the middle. I see nothing inherently wrong about afk'ing. What I do find wrong is some of the tactics of afk'ing that negatively effect my gameplay. These include, but are not limited to, spamming, and giving away free buffs via buff bots, for example. If those who choose to afk did it respectfully without being detrimental to our profession, means of income, and without making the cantinas and unpleasant environment, then I see nothing wrong with afk'ing.
However, some of you may not think I'm a "true" entertainer for what I'm about to say, even though I consider myself very much to be one as I am always ATK, and I love dancing and doing routines and socializing. But, as I've said in many posts before, as much as I love dancing, I also want to be useful in the SWG Universe. I would never want them to take away our healing or buffing abilities. I consider that to be an integral part of the game, and making all of the professions interdependent on one another, as well as my main source of income. How exactly would you expect people to survive financially without this. There may be a select few entertainers who might make a lot in tips, but they are few and far between. I think I do fairly well. But, without our healing abilities, most people wouldn't even enter a Cantina, and probably wouldn't even see us in the first place to appreciate our moves, thereby making them want to tip us. Without buffing, we'd have no secure source of income. For someone who may decide they want to master musician entertainer and dancer, they really couldn't because they'd make no money whatsoever. How would they afford their clothes, how could they possibly ever consider owning a home, much less a player city cantina or theater? I love to perform and I love to socialize, but if I didn't have any source of income and nobody came into the cantinas to watch us because they don't need healing, then I'd probably drop the profession, as much as I love it. Yes, I'd miss it, no denying it. But, there comes a point where I have to be just a little bit practical. If you think that doesn't make me a true entertainer, then you are sorely mistaken. Anyone who sees me perform will tell you otherwise.But,entertainers need love and money too.
I hope I'm not considered one of the negative posters (I haven't actually posted enough to matter, anyway, I've just mainly lurked for months) but I can see where some negative feelings would have to be vented.
The Hologrinding affected entertainers MUCH more than anyone else. If an artisan wants to grind away, then can do it alone, maybe selling some goods for cash, maybe destroying them. If a fighter wants to grind it out, they get missions or just go out an kill things--in a group if they want, but not necessary. A medic can tag along with any fighter and heal them to get their xp--and gain xp way faster than an entertainer could.
As far as I can tell (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) entertainers are the only profession that absolutely has to have several-minute interactions with other players to gain xp. When the hologrinders came along, whose only interest was in checking off another Jedi box, they took away much of the ability to gain xp from those of us who wanted to be performers by seriously diluting the market. And did it AFK to boot. Tips became few and far between because anyone who needed to heal BF could always find a grinder somewhere to heal them that wasn't interested in tips--they were just trying to master the entertainer professions in as few days as possible. Then add to it that the buffs that people really wanted (to be able to wear their composite armor) were the musician buffs, and dancers pretty much got left out in the cold.
Drygo wrote:
I don't consider myself to be pro or anti afk. I feel like I fall straight down the middle. I see nothing inherently wrong about afk'ing. What I do find wrong is some of the tactics of afk'ing that negatively effect my gameplay. These include, but are not limited to, spamming, and giving away free buffs via buff bots, for example. If those who choose to afk did it respectfully without being detrimental to our profession, means of income, and without making the cantinas and unpleasant environment, then I see nothing wrong with afk'ing.
However, some of you may not think I'm a "true" entertainer for what I'm about to say, even though I consider myself very much to be one as I am always ATK, and I love dancing and doing routines and socializing. But, as I've said in many posts before, as much as I love dancing, I also want to be useful in the SWG Universe. I would never want them to take away our healing or buffing abilities. I consider that to be an integral part of the game, and making all of the professions interdependent on one another, as well as my main source of income. How exactly would you expect people to survive financially without this. There may be a select few entertainers who might make a lot in tips, but they are few and far between. I think I do fairly well. But, without our healing abilities, most people wouldn't even enter a Cantina, and probably wouldn't even see us in the first place to appreciate our moves, thereby making them want to tip us. Without buffing, we'd have no secure source of income. For someone who may decide they want to master musician entertainer and dancer, they really couldn't because they'd make no money whatsoever. How would they afford their clothes, how could they possibly ever consider owning a home, much less a player city cantina or theater? I love to perform and I love to socialize, but if I didn't have any source of income and nobody came into the cantinas to watch us because they don't need healing, then I'd probably drop the profession, as much as I love it. Yes, I'd miss it, no denying it. But, there comes a point where I have to be just a little bit practical. If you think that doesn't make me a true entertainer, then you are sorely mistaken. Anyone who sees me perform will tell you otherwise.But,entertainers need love and money too.
As is the case quite often, I am in 100% agreement with Drygo. I AFKed as a leveler. I always did it silently and respectfully, and I can't even IMAGINE being a buffbot (except MAYBE in my cantina, for my fellow citizens, but probably not even then). I'm quite vocal about disliking the AFK buffbots and AFK spammers, and I have a million people on my ignore list right now.
As for the negativity in posts... I feel that you can constructively write a negative post. Writing stuff like "u r stupid, no one cares what u think" and the like is not only flaming, it's immature and it only makes the poster look like an idiot. If I don't agree with something, I SAY it... but I try very hard not to flame the person. There's no call for it, even if they flamed first.
FuschiaD wrote:
Drygo wrote:
I don't consider myself to be pro or anti afk. I feel like I fall straight down the middle. I see nothing inherently wrong about afk'ing. What I do find wrong is some of the tactics of afk'ing that negatively effect my gameplay. These include, but are not limited to, spamming, and giving away free buffs via buff bots, for example. If those who choose to afk did it respectfully without being detrimental to our profession, means of income, and without making the cantinas and unpleasant environment, then I see nothing wrong with afk'ing.
However, some of you may not think I'm a "true" entertainer for what I'm about to say, even though I consider myself very much to be one as I am always ATK, and I love dancing and doing routines and socializing. But, as I've said in many posts before, as much as I love dancing, I also want to be useful in the SWG Universe. I would never want them to take away our healing or buffing abilities. I consider that to be an integral part of the game, and making all of the professions interdependent on one another, as well as my main source of income. How exactly would you expect people to survive financially without this. There may be a select few entertainers who might make a lot in tips, but they are few and far between. I think I do fairly well. But, without our healing abilities, most people wouldn't even enter a Cantina, and probably wouldn't even see us in the first place to appreciate our moves, thereby making them want to tip us. Without buffing, we'd have no secure source of income. For someone who may decide they want to master musician entertainer and dancer, they really couldn't because they'd make no money whatsoever. How would they afford their clothes, how could they possibly ever consider owning a home, much less a player city cantina or theater? I love to perform and I love to socialize, but if I didn't have any source of income and nobody came into the cantinas to watch us because they don't need healing, then I'd probably drop the profession, as much as I love it. Yes, I'd miss it, no denying it. But, there comes a point where I have to be just a little bit practical. If you think that doesn't make me a true entertainer, then you are sorely mistaken. Anyone who sees me perform will tell you otherwise.But,entertainers need love and money too.
As is the case quite often, I am in 100% agreement with Drygo. I AFKed as a leveler. I always did it silently and respectfully, and I can't even IMAGINE being a buffbot (except MAYBE in my cantina, for my fellow citizens, but probably not even then). I'm quite vocal about disliking the AFK buffbots and AFK spammers, and I have a million people on my ignore list right now.
As for the negativity in posts... I feel that you can constructively write a negative post. Writing stuff like "u r stupid, no one cares what u think" and the like is not only flaming, it's immature and it only makes the poster look like an idiot. If I don't agree with something, I SAY it... but I try very hard not to flame the person. There's no call for it, even if they flamed first.
It's not the negative posts really. There existed (and still does)are hate of people that are a Dancer for 1 reason only: Mind Enhancements.
Look at the doctor profession...Doctors have a ton of uses... revive, cure poison, disease, etc, great stims, ... but they are best known for their Enhancements. If a Doctor wants to be only a buffbot selling buffs in Coronet or for this PA or whatever... No one cares, go for it, here's a pricing guide, you can make or buy your buffs, etc..
However if a Dancer here has no desire to ever dazzle, or do any flourish other than '1', and has no real interest in the profession other than "buff-bot", there exists a hate of this person, ... a need to understand and "fix" this person who is obviously,in their eyes, broken.
Why the difference? What makes a buff-bot doctor perfectly okay, and a buff-bot entertainer something that needs to be analyzed?