Dancer Archive
Thread: Brainstorm Topic Improving Mind Buff Accessibility
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Panthu
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:01 am
#1
Ok, it’s been pointed out to me that we need a separate focus thread as a concentrated effort talking about making Mind Buffs available to the public. We have had a thread like this before, but it was somewhat mixed in with other areas of Ent Healing, namely BF and Mind Wound Healing.
This focus thread should stick just to Mind Buffing however and the goal should be how to solve the concerns of the Combatants that want these Buffs for their Combat Gameplay (no guilting them about wanting buffs in this thread please 
) and creative ways that we could improve Mind Buffer Benefits for our selves.
If there is nothing that would ever make you enjoy mind buffing actively or passively as a Dancer, just skip this topic. The goal here is to find a solution that fits into everyone’s Live Play (no afk talks here please, we need active solutions to benefit all).
Also, please resist the urge to strike down others’ ideas… a Brainstorm is supposed to be free flow, not a debate. 
picklesSW
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:27 am
#2
There are two problems I see here.
1) People are apparently having issues finding us to get a buff
2) people have a sense of entitlement that they cannot live without buffs and should have them on every street corner
The first point is valid. Registration needs to be fixed to that we can register at outposts and player cantinas, and when all appropriate level entertainers leave, the registration disappears. It would be good to also indicate separately the presence of musicians and dancers. Better yet, list the names so they can send a tell ahead of time to find out the level and availability of the entertainers before they travel there. The search function should also be looked at, especially in certain cities where sometimes a person halfway across the city does not show on the search.
The second point is not valid in my opinion. A lot of people are expecting to find a mind buffer at every outpost on every corner of every world. It's unrealistic and they should be willing to take a shuttle hop to a place where an entertainer is at. There are plenty of entertainers out there, it's just a matter of knowing where they are and going to meet them.
As far as improving it for ourselves, we've been over this so many times. Give us more visibility into the process so we know when a buff has been fully applied, fix the bugs, and for the love of god, let entertainers buff themselves.
1) People are apparently having issues finding us to get a buff
2) people have a sense of entitlement that they cannot live without buffs and should have them on every street corner
The first point is valid. Registration needs to be fixed to that we can register at outposts and player cantinas, and when all appropriate level entertainers leave, the registration disappears. It would be good to also indicate separately the presence of musicians and dancers. Better yet, list the names so they can send a tell ahead of time to find out the level and availability of the entertainers before they travel there. The search function should also be looked at, especially in certain cities where sometimes a person halfway across the city does not show on the search.
The second point is not valid in my opinion. A lot of people are expecting to find a mind buffer at every outpost on every corner of every world. It's unrealistic and they should be willing to take a shuttle hop to a place where an entertainer is at. There are plenty of entertainers out there, it's just a matter of knowing where they are and going to meet them.
As far as improving it for ourselves, we've been over this so many times. Give us more visibility into the process so we know when a buff has been fully applied, fix the bugs, and for the love of god, let entertainers buff themselves.
KardenTyrell
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:27 am
#3
brainstorm, oke heres one right off the top of my head
Bandbuffing ...say theres a band with 5 musicans, 3 dancers, you dont even need to be grouped to receive buffing. However you do get the option to overwrite it with a...'personal show'
Bandbuffing ...say theres a band with 5 musicans, 3 dancers, you dont even need to be grouped to receive buffing. However you do get the option to overwrite it with a...'personal show'
Doriana
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:31 am
#4
Fixing /register so that it is reliable on the ctrl-v map and maybe enhance it with what some people have suggested -- some sort of visual on/off or lit/not lit artifact on the actual building.
Don't know how popular it would be, and I'm not sure even I would like it, but -- a default channel like the planet/auction channel but called "services" that could also be a place to find doc buffs. Don't know how to deal with the inevitibility of people spamming it though.
Just encourage the active ent communities per galaxy to make their own controlled chat channels so then the msot active/involved players can police spamming and put the smackdown on people who do.
When /register is fixed -- make a friday feature about it!!! Let people know it's there and how to use it!
Don't know how popular it would be, and I'm not sure even I would like it, but -- a default channel like the planet/auction channel but called "services" that could also be a place to find doc buffs. Don't know how to deal with the inevitibility of people spamming it though.
Just encourage the active ent communities per galaxy to make their own controlled chat channels so then the msot active/involved players can police spamming and put the smackdown on people who do.
When /register is fixed -- make a friday feature about it!!! Let people know it's there and how to use it!
DarkY0da
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:32 am
#5
#1 Make it so Musicians/Dancers can buff themselves.
Doing this will give more incentive to "combat" players to add Musician or Dancer to their template.(down side as far as I know this means a rewrite of our buff coding)
#2 Combat Revamp/Balance
You are all ready planning on changing how it all works. Likely changes to ham and making PvP not as mind focused will lessen the percived "need" of pvpers for mind buffs. Lessening the need for the buffs AND making it more accessible would effectivly remove buffs as a way for entertainers to make money.
#3 Fix unattended gameplay
Doing this WILL bring more people into playing Dancer/Musician and WILL bring those who already are back into the cantinas to provide buffs. Which will make Buffs more accessible.
#4 Fix then Improve registration
Doing this will help people to find those of us in the cantinas buffing.
#5 Make a title tag option of "Buffing"
Like the "Helper" tag.
#6 Improve Mission payout for Entertainers.
Maybe I could go and get a mission that tells me to hit a outpost on Endor to play for an hour for like 50k. I would then be more likely to do that as I know that at the very least if I spend an hour there and no one shows up at least I made some money. But an amount like that is also enough that IF I get tipped while there and get busy that it shouldn't unbalance the game econemy.
#7 Give Doctors the ability to buff Mind/Will/Focus as well
But make sure you need 1-2 really rare spawns to do it. Docs then wouldn't replace us BUT enough docs would get these to be able to improve accessiblity to the buffs at an increased price due to the rare spawns.
#8 fix the overt faction buff bonus so that it works.
#9 Add more content for Entertainers
This will keep people playing Entertainers for longer and will also help bring new people into playing the profs. aka more people that can buff = Improved Accessibility.
#10 Put those little frogs in the game.
Let them be able to buy these frogs so that everyone can get instant comp armor,buffs and stun weapons. It will be just like it is now but they won't need to interact with anyone but the frog. I'm sure many of them would welcome this.
/eyeroll
Message Edited by DarkY0da on 09-10-2004 08:49 AM
Doriana
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:33 am
#6
picklesSW wrote:
The second point is not valid in my opinion. A lot of people are expecting to find a mind buffer at every outpost on every corner of every world. It's unrealistic and they should be willing to take a shuttle hop to a place where an entertainer is at. There are plenty of entertainers out there, it's just a matter of knowing where they are and going to meet them.
Very good point
PoetDancer
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:44 am
#7
Our three mechanical functions are all the same function, albeit with different effects. This is how it was intended to be at launch. The only thing that makes buffing different is that it requires an authorization either in terms of a /setperform or invite.
The problem that exists as I see it is that we can only buff via /setperform one at a time, or /invite buff up to 19 at a time.
I would rather have these buff protocols taken away entirely. We never had them at launch, and it seems we were all quite happy back then. This will make buffing more available than now because:
1) Players will know exactly what to do to get a buff. No "wonks" because the two did not coordinate their commands. Simply /watch. This makes both patrons and performers lighten up and enjoy the experience for what it is and what it was meant to be. This will increase the availability for buffs, because there will be less "wonked" buffs, as well as an INCREASE IN TIPS due to the fact that we will be better able to service more patrons in an error free process.
2) Dancers will get back to the original intent of these professions, which is passivity in skill function. This allows us to be more effective because we can buff an unlimited number of patrons at one time. This means more buffs, more readily available buffs, and less error or culpapbility if something goes wrong.
Just as our customers want to make best use of their time, so too do I want to make best use of my time. And frankly, I know a lot of you do not want to hear this kind of proposal. But I believe so strongly in freeing up my concern in the buffing process that I feel that if they were to become any more gated, limited, and authorized, I would have to leave this class.
However, if you all simply cannot see how you can play the game withouta gated, limiting, and barely activebuff command system(sigh), then perhaps the ability to multiple /setperform should be considered. This allows for the same effect, albeit with a safeguardto limit who should and should not get your "gift" upon watching. But I really do not need a /setperform at all. If I am not treated fairly, I can always leave.
Message Edited by PoetDancer on 09-10-2004 10:45 AM
Pthalio
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:52 am
#8
I think entertainer buffs need to be more on par with doc buffs... why do ent buffs last 2hrs and doc buffs last 3? why is a mind buff like 1/3 the size of a doc buff? I also think it would be helpful is both dancers and musicians can buff all 3 stats.. that way people dont have to look for two seperate entertainers to buff them. I mean docs can buff 6 stats and as a dancer i can buff 1? I dont want to take any thing away from musicians but i think in most cases your lucky to find one master dancer or one master musician buffing. I think letting us both do it all might cut down on the bitching and make us a little more accessible. what do you guys think?
Dreamland
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:56 am
#9
Actualy theres already a pretty good one going where many people hae pointed out good ideas.
Panthu
Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:05 am
#10
KardenTyrell wrote:
brainstorm, oke heres one right off the top of my head
Bandbuffing ...say theres a band with 5 musicans, 3 dancers, you dont even need to be grouped to receive buffing. However you do get the option to overwrite it with a...'personal show'
Like a truly passive buff if you watch/listen to a group? I've always thought that could be cool as an area buff, so people wouldn't even have to /watch or /listen... they'd just be around it so it would "pump them up."
Having it be able to be overwritten by a personal buff (that would need to be better in someway, bigger, longer, or maybe just stackable) would still give us something to "sell."
Is that kinda what you were thinking?
AlaManQ5
Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:09 am
#11
Here are some ideas from a non-entertainer:
1) Add a search system for online and active buffing characters on a given server, along with a title called "Buffer" or "Enhancer".
1) Add a search system for online and active buffing characters on a given server, along with a title called "Buffer" or "Enhancer".
2) Fix the entire buffing system for ents so that they can give them out in a matter of time similar to Doc buffs.
3) Maybe give dancers a craftable limited use item to make buffing easier/quicker, maybe a datapad with a song or dance number recorded on it.
Just ideas. sadly, i couldn't express it in exactly the words i had thought of, but its close enough 
Panthu
Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:11 am
#12
Dreamland wrote:
Actualy theres already a pretty good one going where many people hae pointed out good ideas.
Yeah, the big thread is generating a lot of good ideas... this topic is just supposed to be a more focused and concentrated effort just on Buffs with out any other stuff going on. This is just an extension, not a replacement.
Also, there shouldn't be any reason to disagree in this thread, because we're all just throwing out positiveideas on this one very particular area.
Dreamland
Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:14 am
#13
I'm not talking about the buffbot sticky panthu. Im talking about the interesting idea to revamp the buffing process thread. There are a great deal of ideas in there and no arguing.
Panthu wrote:
Dreamland wrote:
Actualy theres already a pretty good one going where many people hae pointed out good ideas.
Yeah, the big thread is generating a lot of good ideas... this topic is just supposed to be a more focused and concentrated effort just on Buffs with out any other stuff going on. This is just an extension, not a replacement.
Also, there shouldn't be any reason to disagree in this thread, because we're all just throwing out positiveideas on this one very particular area.
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