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Thread: What did we do to get such little respect?

Cuit
Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:14 am
#1
this is a link . . . sorry no clicky


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=generalgame&message.id=28187


I'm disapointed



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ChiiTWINS
Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:40 am
#3
On the other hand, the original poster did turn around and make this post....


---I never thought of the entertainers... They've given them all this new stuff, dances and tunes in this publish and then taken away the only reason for people to watch them for more than 20 seconds... ---




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Purveyor of Starships & Freight
Mon Calamarian protectorate of the ashes of Chii

Doriana
Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:32 am
#4
We went AFK.








(...just to clarify, becuase I know people will take this out of context if I don't say: I KNOW that "we" didn't all go AFK. But you guys know what I mean.)




Doriana | Anabelle

Elder MasterDancer | (sensor hibernating)

-I support ATK people and playstyles.
SianGali
Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:16 pm
#5




Doriana wrote:
We went AFK.








(...just to clarify, becuase I know people will take this out of context if I don't say: I KNOW that "we" didn't all go AFK. But you guys know what I mean.)



qfe



(Asania.)___(DfR)____(Sian)
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atone48732
Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:25 pm
#6
great....just great... makes me feel really good to be an entertainer... *sigh*



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Elalia Takushi: Dancer and rebel pilot and member of Oi
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YuriaTayde
Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:43 pm
#7
We arn't a combat profession. Nobody likes us because the majority is afk and spamming... And besides, I'm a dancer and a fighter and even I think BF was nothing but annoying. Don't let the mean pure-combat people get to ya, mmorpgs alwase lean twords them, just gotta wait to see if they give us perpose back... someday... Until then I'ma be happy with ribbons! Yay!
psycocat
Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:44 pm
#8
hehehe...I think that post is funny. 'casue after the first few posts it turned into another entertainer thread.



Shala-renn Xibotepotl. MCH/MFencer/Dancer. Bria.
Zigie. Musician. Ahazi.
Yhissh. (Slave Trader) Businessman/BH/Rifle. Bria. [Alt]

"Time for our own benchmark. The entertainment we offer."
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majorslappy
Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:33 am
#9

I've read that other thread. It's obvious to me that the OP and the others in that thread the disparage entertainers are so short-sighted and so obviously immature that it's almost not possible to label it with a degree.


I have always enjoyed having a world in which there there are others who play a game that has little to nothing to do with "nice shootin' Tex!" The crafters and entertainers flesh this game out into a world, or at least they used to. I hate how these two groups have been dumbed down and marginalized.


Here's to hoping that the producers get smart and make a game world and not just something that can be controlled through a silly game console. A B B B A up down up up up down.





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Ihareo
Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:24 am
#10








Doriana wrote:
We went AFK.








(...just to clarify, becuase I know people will take this out of context if I don't say: I KNOW that "we" didn't all go AFK. But you guys know what I mean.)




Yah you know, cuz entertainers are the only profession to ever go AFK.



Can we PLEASE let the AFK thing go now? Entertainer problems startedBEFORE theAFK craze, and they will continue now that the AFKers are gone.


Grow up and learn to look at the real problem.






Ihareo Imtame--Adept of the Force
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SianGali
Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:48 pm
#11




Ihareo wrote:









Doriana wrote:
We went AFK.








(...just to clarify, becuase I know people will take this out of context if I don't say: I KNOW that "we" didn't all go AFK. But you guys know what I mean.)



Yah you know, cuz entertainers are the only profession to ever go AFK.



Can we PLEASE let the AFK thing go now? Entertainer problems startedBEFORE theAFK craze, and they will continue now that the AFKers are gone.

Grow up and learn to look at the real problem.



Mmm when we respect each other, mebbe we will get more outside respect. Just a thought.




(Asania.)___(DfR)____(Sian)
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Ihareo
Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:18 pm
#12




SianGali wrote:




Ihareo wrote:









Doriana wrote:
We went AFK.








(...just to clarify, becuase I know people will take this out of context if I don't say: I KNOW that "we" didn't all go AFK. But you guys know what I mean.)



Yah you know, cuz entertainers are the only profession to ever go AFK.



Can we PLEASE let the AFK thing go now? Entertainer problems startedBEFORE theAFK craze, and they will continue now that the AFKers are gone.

Grow up and learn to look at the real problem.



Mmm when we respect each other, mebbe we will get more outside respect. Just a thought.






I agree with you whole heartedly here. But being on the defnsive here, there are hundreds of posts of Dancers screaming at people who ask for macro information, and hundreds more of people moaning and whining about every little niggling detail about AFK players. Pulling the burning time's witch hunt routine on half the community over AFK vs. ATK play style hurt this comunity way more than most of us realise.


Whenthey ask for our top five issues, and they get a torrent ofDancers listing all 5 issues being AFK entertainers, thinking they're being clever, that was a wasted oppurtunity.


Every idea put out by somone getting locked and deleted by the mods beceause of the flaming hate fire from people screaming about AFK entertainers is another lost oppurtunity.


When the new DEVs come in and ask for our opinions and they get page anfter page of people screaming about AFK entertainers, that's another lost oppurtunity.


I can go on all day. It's been more than a year and no one has explained in a calm and reasonable manner why AFK entertainers should be removed. NO ONE. Not one reasonable explination. And every time I asked for one, I got flamed off the board. Wouldn't it just be hilarious if I was a DEV using pad spelling and this name as a disguise, and all I wanted was one good reason and the AFKers would have been gone? Wouldn't it be just perfect poetry if the anger and hate expressed as a replacement for common courtecy is what let AFKers continue to thrive? I'm NOT a dev in disguise mind you, but the DEVs have been known to do that to test the waters of what needs to be done. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a DEV posted here in disguise once or twice to see what was going on and got a ration of spit in here, thus hindering any progress.


You are right, we need to respect eachother. That's exactly what I was talking about when I said 'grow up and learn to look at the real problem', 'cause the real problem is US BEING CRAPPY TO EACHOTHER!







Ihareo Imtame--Adept of the Force
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Drygo
Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:42 pm
#13

Heh...I just have to say


I was one of those people who has fought vigorously in the past to remove AFK because I truly do believe they are the root of most of our problems. I'm not going to debate about that here because we have another thread for that.


However, in my opinion, I have literally given dozens of very good and logically thought reasons about how and why AFK is harmful, not only to the entertainer professions, but to the game as a whole. And, I can honestly say, that we will never realize our full potential, no matter what we have, as long as our professions can be 100% AFK'ed.


Now, the reason I say this is because I want to point out that, as I said, I believe that I have given dozens of well thought out reasons about why AFK should be removed. If you don't believe that anybody has satisfactorily explained to you in a calm and logicalmanner why they should be removed...then, I simply think that's your perspective. I don't say this to be rude, but, I believe that you don't think there's a problem with AFK. And, as such, you have personally decided that no matter the argument, no matter how sound and logical, you will dispute it. I don't think you are leaving room in your thought process to "get" what most of us are talking about.


I respect your decision to feel how you want to feel, even though I vehemently disagree with that viewpoint. However, I won't concede to not giving sound, logical, calm, reasonable, intelligent, and truthful reasons why they should be removed. I have. Many times. If you think those reasons are not valid. So be it. There's no way anyone can change your mind in that case. But, passion runs deep about this issue. And, I won't apologize for getting wrapped up in it and fighting against it. Because, to me, AFK has done so much harm to our profession and to the game. So many fixes, and wasted developer time trying to get around the issue instead of simply fixing it. The wasted opportunities do not come from us. They come from the people (and developers) that refuse to believe or understand how damaging AFK is. But, the fact of the matter is, the props and new stuff is incredibly cool. I love them. BUT, any kind of use that we could ever possibly have to the greater game community will NEVER come to fruition as long as it can be afk'ed. That's a fact.


Message Edited by Drygo on 07-20-2005 06:43 PM



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