Dancer Archive
Thread: Thoughts on Ebayed Dancers
Heck... report 'em anyway.
C
You may not buy, sell or auction (or host or facilitate the ability to allow others to buy, sell or auction) any Account or any Game characters, items, credits or copyrighted material or any other intellectual property owned or controlled by us or our licensors.
That pretty much covers it. It violates the EULA. If someone tells you they bought their account, immediately report 'em. They're breakin' the rules.
C
Does it really bother you that much that someone bought a character so that they could try out the game? I'm against the idea but really...I know how much I worked for my profession. Them ebaying it doesn't lessen my skills at all. Unless they are going around and stealing customers from you (and it's apparent they don't know how), how does it really affect you? You're letting your feelings get hurt by a game character run by someone you will never meet.
Celadori wrote:
LOL, i know. a snippet of our coversation went
EBay: I have exotic 4
me: yes, i know, you are a master dancer
EBay: oh, how do i do a dance like you are?
Here's my hypothetical addition to this conversation:
Evil me: You have to unlock the Jedi Dance.
EBay: Jedi Dance?
Evil me: Yes, you need to open the special quest.
EBay: Where do I find it on here? Waypoint?
Evil Me: Well, Sony was being tricky. You cannot unlock the quest in game.
EBay: ???
Evil Me: Hit Shift+Esc and choose Disconnect. From the menu, make sure that this character is chosen. Choose the DELETE button (don't worry, it's a trick to dissuade the casual gamer) and confirm it. A giant lightsaber will show up with six profession names on it. Choose Entertainer, and you will be a Jedi Dancer.
EBay: Cool! I'll go do that *disconnect*
Evil Me: Later, sucker.
Like or not ebay / player auctions / private sales / trades ect.. are a part of mmo's. Some people make a living creating characters and selling them others want to get something out of the time and money they spent in game when they choose to leave.
I won't make judgements I've seen all sides of it. To me it really doesn't matter how a toon got their skills, we have no idea unless they tell you. It's boils down to how the person plays with the skills they have. I've seen ebayed characters turn a good rep to a horrible rep and I've seen the most hated player on a server become an icon due to a change in player.
Treat an ebayer the same way you do a newbie cause really you have no clue if this is their first last or 100th character. Answer the basic questions, if they choose to make an issue of their status that's their perogative not yours. SoE is very opposed to ebay but they have yet to stop it completely and I doubt they ever will.
I don't get the whole EBayed characters thing myself. I think it's rather foolish but that's because that's not my play style. When I play an MMORPG I want to get into my character and build her from the ground up, I don't want pre-made characters. I want to get into her skin and get to know her and her frustrations and joys, etc. But that's my play style. *shrug*
I can see how to someone else, it might be worth X amount of dollars to buy a pre-made character - think only in terms of this: How much is your time worth to you? If you think it would take you, say, 100 hours to grind your dancer up to Master Dancer level, how much is that 100 hours of your time worth? To people with different play styles, buying a made character might make sense in these terms. Like I said, I don't personally get it - so that's why I don't play like that.
What Aryel said is true though - buying characters is part of the MMORPG "life" and I honestly doubt that SOE can actually put any teeth behind its EULA in this case. Sure, the player who sold the character and the player who bought it violated a "contract" with SOE. But what damage has that caused? In the world of law suits, where damages are quantified in terms of dollars and cents, I can't see any kind of definable damage here. None that wouldn't get laughed out of court anyway. On the other hand, this part of the EULA is meant to protect SOE so that they can kick a player under grounds that he/sheviolated their contract, and I think any player that tried to fight the EULA might similarly be laughed out of court if they tried to litigate it.
I'm still going to report any player who tells me they bought their characters. Just because I don't think SOE can put any teeth behind their EULA in this instance doesn't mean I'm not going to give them every opportunity to enforce it.
On the other hand, just because I don't agree with the EBay Player's choice of play style doesn't give me the right to be rude and obnoxious to them. They're just a newb like any other newb. They just have a made character instead.
I had one come to me the other day Master Dancer, but sent me a tell "i just bought this account can i dance here?" I'm a master dancer myself after a month or more of hard work. I have other dancers in my group that i train that are also working hard. To me its a slap in the face for our hard work that some one buys a dancer. Is it that hard to buy a NEW account and work one up yourself?
sure the original owner must have done the work, but is that the same? not in my eyes.
your thoughts?
I'd think the kind of folks who go Ebay want to be uber very quickly and would lean more toward a Master CH or BH. But Dancer?
Sorry, I don't like this either, and if I find out anyone I'm grouped with is Ebay'd, either they leave or I leave. For one thing, I have to question the intelligence of anyone who would BUY an account just to be a Master Dancer
They wouldn't know a flourish from a hole in the ground.
LOL, i know. a snippet of our coversation went
EBay: I have exotic 4
me: yes, i know, you are a master dancer
EBay: oh, how do i do a dance like you are?
Ndainye wrote:
I won't make judgements I've seen all sides of it. To me it really doesn't matter how a toon got their skills, we have no idea unless they tell you.
No, you'll know the minute a Master Dancer asks you how you make those "purty lights"
I only dance for paid engagements now (parties, weddings, etc). The dancers I work with know enough about their class that it only takes us a few code words to set up a synchronized show (costume changes, flourishes, /changedance) that impresses the audience. And even those who never AFK'd sometimes don't understand that they should only use /FLO 1 and 2 with Exotic, that the other flourishes are incongruous leftovers from other steps.
I would expect an EBay'd Master Dancer to not have one single clue. And the image they project to the public DOES impact all other dances, just as surely as if they were dancing in their underwear.
Thing is I've known people that are 100% clueless about their class but have played it from scratch and I've known players that can pick up any toon and play them like it's theirs. Yeah anyone who is clueless is bad for the class no matter why they are clueless
In EQ I never leveled a chanter but when my guild needed one for a raid I could log on a level 65 chanter and do the job, sometimes better than the person that leveled that character /shrug.
now I'm not a dancer but a musician nearly master .
But Iwould seriously laugh at some one who actually bought a master dancer with that being the only master skill. Now as for invested time if it anything like my musician it should have been no trouble at all bur to macroing (I've played my musician for maybe a week and macroed it the entire way) as I said she's almost a master now.Personally I'd had told the ebayer sorry you can't dance this dance. But if you really want to dance it you need to click on all the dance skills and select surrender skill till you get down to novice entertainer.